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Re 4/4 II Passenger in 2021 timetable

Martin Baumann
 

According to a post on BAHNFORUM.CH the following is a full list. Note that the Lausanne area trains are subject to confirmation, they are currently suspended:

4756-4759 plus Zürich area trains with the S prefix are LION sets.

Region Zürich
IC 4: 18x, 28x, 38x und 48x, 1007, 1009, 1011, 1040
IC 3: 558, 585, 764, 769, 771, 776, 778, 782, 911, 912, 915, 916, 921, 928, 929, 931, 934, 936
IR 36: 1987
RE: 4944 (SH)
RE: 4756, 4759 (Olten)
EC: 163, 164
NJ: 471, 464, 465, 466, 467
S: 19022, 19026, 19061, 19065 (Romanshorn)
S: 19024, 19028, 19030, 19063, 19065, 19069 (Winterthur)
S: 199xx (Dietikon/Pfäffikon ZH)
S: 20024, 20026, 20028, 20063, 20065, 20067 (Stäfa)

Region Lausanne
IR 90: 1904, 1908, 1927, 1929
IR: 1554, 1573 (Neuchâtel)
RE: 6054, 6067 (St. Maurice)

Region Basel
IC 3: 550, 555, 590, 595
S: 17042, 17046, 17313 (Olten)
S: 17065, 17066 (Stein-Säckingen)
S: 17054, 17055, 17057, 17082, 17084, 17086 (Delémont)


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Status of all Re 6/6 locomotives 25.11.2020


Re: Bernex Tram [was Re: North-south coridor after Ceneri opening]

Martin Baumann
 

The new "Atlas Historique du tramway a Geneve" (Endstation Ostring) gives a provisional opening date for the line of 04.07.2021


16406

Martin Baumann
 

The last SBB Ee 3/3, 16406, was taken away from Bellinzona by 11181 today ( Northbound )

Destination unknown, hopefully not Kaiseraugst


Re: RhB 706

tudor erich
 

On Friday, November 20, 2020, 01:46:35 PM GMT, Martin Baumann <martin98baumann@...> wrote:
Ge 6/6 II 706 was stopped yesterday with traction motor problems. It is so far unclear if it will be repaired.
It better had be - its my favourite.
Bernard
(I suspect that the engine in the best physical condition bodywise will be the machine kept for the heritage collection. It could be 706 is that one and it will receive components from other machines to keep it running).


Re: RhB 706

glenn allen
 

If it is just the traction motors that are a problem could they re-use the ones off 701?

 

Is there any need for it to still be available for traffic?

 

Glenn


RhB 706

Martin Baumann
 

Ge 6/6 II 706 was stopped yesterday with traction motor problems. It is so far unclear if it will be repaired.


Brig EWI/II sets finished

Martin Baumann
 

The Re 4/4 II and EWI/II sets used between Brig and Domodossola were removed from these services and moved to Basel where they will be kept in reserve for the time being. The trains are now worked by an NPZ Domino or an EWIV 460 pushpull


Re: Vintage Swiss rail video from 1989

Guerbetaler
 

Am 15.11.2020 um 22:33 schrieb csipromo via groups.io:
As the Vauban was not part of the SBB-FS Joint venture, it did not
come under the Cisalpino banner.
Cisalpino traffic with loco-hauled trains started in July 2004 from Zürich (EA 4/2004) and was extended in December 2004 to trains Basel - Bern - Milano and Genève - Milano. In December 2005 the remaining trains (via Luzern and some more from Zürich) became Cisalpino trains.

By December 2004 the Vauban was restricted to Brig and there was no reason to include Italian coaches after that date.

Markus, Gürbetal


Re: [Swiss Rail] Vintage Swiss rail video from 1989

Chuck Higdon
 

Hi Markus and Mike, thank you for all the great information to answer Alan's question. I have learned a lot and have copied the links for future reference. Along with your comments. Very happy to have read all that you have posted on this topic. This will allow me to also put together good consists of the equipment I have purchased without a clue as to when it was built and run. As some of my layout is Euro themed.

Thanks for the postings.


Take care,
Chuck Higdon
New You Tube just before disassmebly of my layout for a move.
https://youtu.be/dxeedqMj37A


Re: Vintage Swiss rail video from 1989

csipromo
 

I said the last delivery was in 1985. I meant to say that the last order was 1985. It is quite possible that deliveries continued for another 3 years.
I also said that subsequent deliveries of 2nd class coaches came from the UIC-Z series. I mean subsequent to 1985. The first delivery of the new Bz coaches came around 1987. Those coaches were painted to match the existing Gran Comfort coaches, in the Bandiera livery. Prior to that, 2nd class rolling stock had come from the UIC-X production.

I hope that clears up my statement.

Regards

Mike C


Re: Vintage Swiss rail video from 1989

csipromo
 

As the Vauban was not part of the SBB-FS Joint venture, it did not come under the Cisalpino banner.

Regards

Mike C


Re: Vintage Swiss rail video from 1989

csipromo
 

If I remember correctly, the rolling stock in the "Iris" and "Vauban" frequently changed. There were times when SNCB wanted to abandon the connection and SBB took over the operation of the run.
I have photos of the Vauban from 2000 (H.D. Andreas/Bahnprofil) where the train is entirely composed of SBB coaches. In 1998, I have a photo with mixed SNCB I6 in Memling livery, C1 Orange and with at least one SBB EC coach. In 1999, it was mainly composed of SNCB (I6 and I10) coaches. Around 2003, it contained a mix of SNCB and FS coaches. Some of the photos I have seen, the train had one of the SNCB ex-SNCF Grill Express Restaurant coaches.

1996: http://www.belrail.be/media/images/compositions/ec90a.jpg
1997: http://www.belrail.be/media/images/compositions/ec90b.jpg
2003: http://www.belrail.be/media/images/compositions/ec91.jpg
2004: http://www.belrail.be/media/images/compositions/ec91d.jpg
2006: https://www.bahnbilder.de/bild/frankreich~e-loks-ac~bb-15000-nez-cass/65632/ec-91-8222vauban8220-von-bruessel-nach.html
2007: https://www.bahnbilder.de/bild/Schweiz~Wagen~Personenwagen/541505/der-internationale-schnellzug-vauban-ist-einer.html
2011: https://www.bahnbilder.de/bild/Belgien~E-Loks~BR+20/532376/sncb-lok-2002-befoerderte-am-5august-2011.html

Some years, the northbound run included additional coaches, including FS coaches to Basel, including one of the FS Restaurants in Bandiera livery (with graffiti). I think that a SNCB Restaurant was attached in Basel for the run to Brussels. I think that some schedules may also have included some couchette coaches and possibly sleepers too. I do not know if the night coaches went to Basel or continued to a point beyond. They might have connected to Amsterdam, Hamburg or possibly to the Komet (Copenhagen).

Regards,

Mike C


Re: Vintage Swiss rail video from 1989

Guerbetaler
 

Am 15.11.2020 um 01:54 schrieb csipromo via groups.io:
By Winter 2004, most of the coaches were in the XMPR IC/InterCityPlus
colors and then in 2005 by the new Cisalpino livery.
Interestingly the "Vauban" Brussels - Milano kept Bandiera coaches right to the end. I have photos from 2004 in Thun and Bern. Only one C1 livery and that was an SNCB coach.

Markus


Re: Vintage Swiss rail video from 1989

Alan McMillan
 

From this we can say that Bandiera livery was seen in Switzerland from
1983 on restaurant coaches and from 1987 on other stock.
Thanks Markus. Your information has shown me that my layout really cannot have Bandiera liveried stock as the earliest appearance of it would be on restaurant cars in 1983. My period is ideally before that so I'll stick with slate grey and red/grey trains with some C1 liveried additions together with my favourite stock, the Acme Mediolanum TEE liveried eight car hybrid FS/DB set.

Alan


Re: Vintage Swiss rail video from 1989

Guerbetaler
 

Am 15.11.2020 um 02:03 schrieb csipromo via groups.io:
he last delivery of GC coaches was in 1985. Subsequent deliveries of
second class rolling stock came from the UIC-Z series.
I'm sorry but this is wrong. Delivery of the second series of GC coaches was only terminated in 1988. And there had at no stage been second class coaches of the GC type.

Markus, Gürbetal


Re: Vintage Swiss rail video from 1989

Guerbetaler
 

Am 15.11.2020 um 01:54 schrieb csipromo via groups.io:
I would like to know if the TEE coaches still required the generator
car or whether they were modified or simply did not require it for
domestic traffic.
If you could read what I wrote you would have had the answer before you asked the question. They got a "convertitore statico da 45 kVA (da 65 kVA sulle ristoranti)" for all international voltages.

Moreover the TEE didn't come with a generator car (as was usual by SNCF and RENFE) but with an inverter car that could produce 660 V three phase current from the standard current available in each country, brought to the coaches by a separate cable.

"L'unico veicolo dipendente dalla macchina era il furgone, che prelava l'energia necessaria tramite la condotta del REC alle quattro tensioni del RIC (3000 V cc, 1500 V cc e ca, 1000 V ca 16 2/3 Hz) che veniva convertita a 660 V ca 50 Hz trifase, mediante un gruppo rotante moto-alternatore da 240 kVA."

Citations from the Principe book.

so, the technical development from 1969 to the 1980ies allowed to replace a central rotating inverter (of 240 kVA) per train with static inverters (of 45 kVA) on each coach.

To compare: The Eurofima coaches of 1977, of which SBB had 20 and FS 100, had a static inverter of 35 kVA (EA 7/77).

Markus


Re: Vintage Swiss rail video from 1989

Guerbetaler
 

Am 15.11.2020 um 02:03 schrieb csipromo via groups.io:
he last delivery of GC coaches was in 1985. Subsequent deliveries of
second class rolling stock came from the UIC-Z series.
I'm sorry but this is wrong. Delivery of the second series of GC coaches was only terminated in 1988. And there had at nos stage been second calss coaches of the GC type.

Markus, Gürbetal


Re: Vintage Swiss rail video from 1989

csipromo
 

On Sun, Nov 15, 2020 at 01:20 AM, Guerbetaler wrote:


https://scalaenne.files.wordpress.com/2015/10/canaletto1995johannespadberg.jpg
This site seems to have some interesting information:
https://scalaenne.wordpress.com/2015/11/07/livree-fs-e-trenitalia-bandiera/

The TEE coaches stopped running in the Mediolanum and Lemano in 1984 and were adapted to the same standards as the domestic coaches.
By 1990, they had been repainted in the Bandiera livery to match the rest of the fleet.
The last delivery of GC coaches was in 1985. Subsequent deliveries of second class rolling stock came from the UIC-Z series.

Regards

Mike C