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Re: Gotthard Postal working and yellow skips ID

Malcolm Hardy-Randall <gotthard@...>
 

--- In SwissRail@yahoogroups.com, "gatehousedc" <gatehouseds@...> wrote:

On a recent trip to the Gotthard, I saw each day, a 10/10 combo or 4/4
on a set of Postal vans and containers heading north, Wassen circa
1555, Erstfeld 1640 (driver change) and Brunnen 1655. Can anyone
confirm the origin in Italy and destination in Switzerland of this
working, please?
Also, each day I saw a rake of flat wagons conveying yellow skips (open
containers) which were loaded southbound (I think) The skips were
branded ACTS. Wassen 1120, Silenen 1122, Arth-Goldau 0940. I did see
the return working north at Erstfeld at 2050 one evening. Traction was
SBB 10/10 or 8/8. Can anyone ID this working, please?
Many thanks in anticipation, Don
The postal vans were possibly heading for the Postal depot at Däniken,
point of departure I do not know. However, I have not been able to
identify your ACTS unit as the times do not match. Can you confirm
that the times you have shown are correct please?

Malcolm


Gotthard Postal working and yellow skips ID

gatehousedc <gatehouseds@...>
 

On a recent trip to the Gotthard, I saw each day, a 10/10 combo or 4/4
on a set of Postal vans and containers heading north, Wassen circa
1555, Erstfeld 1640 (driver change) and Brunnen 1655. Can anyone
confirm the origin in Italy and destination in Switzerland of this
working, please?
Also, each day I saw a rake of flat wagons conveying yellow skips (open
containers) which were loaded southbound (I think) The skips were
branded ACTS. Wassen 1120, Silenen 1122, Arth-Goldau 0940. I did see
the return working north at Erstfeld at 2050 one evening. Traction was
SBB 10/10 or 8/8. Can anyone ID this working, please?
Many thanks in anticipation, Don


Re: Completely OT - US stock Re: Old stock

Bill Bolton
 

On Fri, 19 Sep 2008 17:29:00 -0400, Bob wrote:

If you had seen any of pictures of the LA metro and UP freight
collision in Chatsworth CA a few days ago you would not think then insane!
I asked this on another mailing list...

"Are their "dead-man" (or other "surveillance" level) controls
at Metrolink driving positions?"

To which the answer came...

"Believe it or not the MetroLink engines DO NOT have any kind
of a dead man or emergency train stop system in use if
something happens to the engineer."

Which shows where the real 'insanity' lies.

I can't think of any other 1st world country where that would be
permitted in 'line haul' level operations.

Cheers,

Bill

Bill Bolton
Sydney, Australia


Re: Completely OT - US stock Re: Old stock

Bill Bolton
 

On Fri, 19 Sep 2008 17:29:00 -0400, Bob wrote:

If you had seen any of pictures of the LA metro and UP freight
collision in Chatsworth CA a few days ago you would not think
then insane!
Safety practices need to start a ***LONG*** before a head-on
collision.

The "insanity" in FRA approaches is the sort of safe-working practices
they allow passenger rail operators to get away with, while insisting
on rolling stock construction standards which make relatively little
difference in an accident such as the recent Metrolink event.

Even a simple train stop and catch-point would have kept the two
trains involved in the Metrolink event apart. That is century+ old
rail technology that was designed to provide for safe operation with
relatively fragile wood-bodied passenger rolling stock!

Cheers,

Bill

Bill Bolton
Sydney, Australia


Completely OT - US stock Re: Old stock

Tony Bailey <mercurytravel@...>
 

--- In SwissRail@yahoogroups.com, bob gillis <robertgillis@...> wrote:
If you had seen any of pictures of the LA metro and UP freight
collision in Chatsworth CA a few days ago you would not think then
insane!


Adequate safe working is more important.


Tony Bailey


Re: Completely OT - US stock Re: Old stock

bob gillis <robertgillis@...>
 

Tony Bailey wrote:
--- In SwissRail@yahoogroups.com, "Krist van Besien" must be one of tghe most underfunded railway operators in the
world. So no money trees there. Yet they rely very strongly on classical loco + train consists.
Not having a lot of money is no guarantee that money will be spend more wisely...
There is more to it then that.
In the US, FRA requirements for a mixed operation line (passenger and
freight) require insane construction requirements for EMUS and DMUS.
Standard European (or even Australian) stock is not acceptable.
If you had seen any of pictures of the LA metro and UP freight
collision in Chatsworth CA a few days ago you would not think then insane!
Tony Bailey
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Re: Old stock

bob gillis <robertgillis@...>
 

csipromo wrote:
Amtrak used to run a Diesel motor unit between Montreal and NYC Grand
Central. The train would run the scenic route along Lake Champlain, Lake George , through the Adirondacks and along the Hudson River. This train was replaced by lok pulled consists in the last 10-15 years.
Hopefully one of these days, this route will be replaced by a high
speed or other electrified route.
At present only one train each way per day runs between New York and Montreal.

While expansion of electric operation will comes due to the the great increases in petroleum prices, this route will never be electrified.

bob gillis


Re: Suggestions Wanted

Fionnbarr Kennedy
 

--- In SwissRail@yahoogroups.com, "Bill" <marklintalk@...> wrote:


I will be a little limited on this trip because I am using a Swiss Pass.

You photos are great.
Thanks for the kind words on my pics :-) For interest over 95 % of my
Swiss Rail pics were taken on trips using the Swiss Pass, its amazing
what can be accomplished without a car. If you have seen any paticular
pic you'd like to try for yourself contact me off list and I'll tell
you how I got to the location in question (can save lots of fruitless
walking!)

Regards
Fionnbarr
www.fionnbarr.com


Re: Eurotunnel and Gotthardbasis Tunnel

Tony Bailey <mercurytravel@...>
 

--- In SwissRail@yahoogroups.com, "Richard Bowen" <Richard.Bowen@...>
wrote:

And basically I suppose one should ask does whatever edict by
whatever body that has crippled the throughput of the Eurotunnel apply
to the Gotthardbasistunnel as well?

Richard,

As far as I know Eurotunnel probably has the strictest safety
regulations in the world - hence the need for Eurostars rather than
TGVs.

If only road tunnels were run to the same standards!

Tony Bailey


Completely OT - US stock Re: Old stock

Tony Bailey <mercurytravel@...>
 

--- In SwissRail@yahoogroups.com, "Krist van Besien" must be one of
tghe most underfunded railway operators in the
world. So no money trees there. Yet they rely very strongly on
classical loco + train consists.
Not having a lot of money is no guarantee that money will be spend
more wisely...
There is more to it then that.

In the US, FRA requirements for a mixed operation line (passenger and
freight) require insane construction requirements for EMUS and DMUS.
Standard European (or even Australian) stock is not acceptable.

Tony Bailey


Re: Old stock

martinbaumann112 <all@...>
 

The ACELA is an EMU, NOT a locomotive hauled train. It is similar in
concept to the DB ICE-1 with a large power car at each end


Re: Old stock

csipromo
 

--- In SwissRail@yahoogroups.com, bob gillis <robertgillis@...> wrote:



Andrew Moglestue wrote:

snip

Amtrak must be one of the most underfunded railway operators in
the
world. So no money trees there. Yet they rely very strongly on
classical loco + train consists. As far as I am aware the diesel
fleet is (apart from the talgos) 100% loco and train, and the
electric fleet also has many locos and even the EMUs are to a
large
extent flexible formations.
AMTRAK relies completely on loco + car consists. The Talgos which
run in
the Pacific Northwest are ,AFAIK, Talgo cars only. with non-tilting
diesel locomotives.

(A train in North America is a consist of cars and power that has
authority to run on a certain section of track, ie loco + cars or
MU cars.)

All trains in the northeast are loco + car including the Acela
consists. AMTRAK has no EMUs, although multiple Acela consists
could be
coupled together and run as one train.

NJT, SEPTA, Metro North,and ConDot(Connecticut Dept of
Transportation,
have EMUs. NJT and SEPTA run on some AMTRAK tracks and AMTRAK runs
on
ConDot rails.

And this is not just the old old stuff they have inherited but
also
the newer acquisitions.
Almost all inherited equipment has long been retired except
possibly for
some cars that have been rebuilt.

bob gillis
Amtrak used to run a Diesel motor unit between Montreal and NYC Grand
Central. The train would run the scenic route along Lake Champlain,
Lake George , through the Adirondacks and along the Hudson River.
This train was replaced by lok pulled consists in the last 10-15
years.

Hopefully one of these days, this route will be replaced by a high
speed or other electrified route.

Regards

Mike C


Eurotunnel and Gotthardbasis Tunnel

Richard Bowen
 

The report issued today states:

As I write, our staff await the end of the various assessments needed prior to putting in service once again the two-thirds of the North Tunnel not affected by the fire. This should enable us to minimise as much as possible any impact on traffic.

In other words one whole tunnel is out of use; rather than using the crossovers available to isolate the defective section only from very early on.

Swiss practice is to use the cross-overs in Gotthard and Lötschberg tunnels relatively frequently. Indeed I have been into the Gotthardtunnel at Göschenen on the left and come out at Airolo on the left, but been under the mountain on the right.

The new Basis tunnel will be twice (roughly) as long as the Eurotunnel. Shutting one bore completely because of a fault in a short length of that bore would be disastrous for the traffic. Are there already assessments and senareos of what should be done if there is a problem in ore bore?

And basically I suppose one should ask does whatever edict by whatever body that has crippled the throughput of the Eurotunnel apply to the Gotthardbasistunnel as well?

Richard A. Bowen


Re: Old stock

Krist van Besien
 

On Wed, Sep 17, 2008 at 5:13 PM, Andrew Moglestue <amogles@yahoo.com> wrote:

Amtrak must be one of tghe most underfunded railway operators in the
world. So no money trees there. Yet they rely very strongly on
classical loco + train consists.
Not having a lot of money is no guarantee that money will be spend
more wisely...

Krist


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Re: Old stock

bob gillis <robertgillis@...>
 

Andrew Moglestue wrote:

snip
Amtrak must be one of the most underfunded railway operators in the world. So no money trees there. Yet they rely very strongly on classical loco + train consists. As far as I am aware the diesel fleet is (apart from the talgos) 100% loco and train, and the electric fleet also has many locos and even the EMUs are to a large extent flexible formations.
AMTRAK relies completely on loco + car consists. The Talgos which run in
the Pacific Northwest are ,AFAIK, Talgo cars only. with non-tilting
diesel locomotives.

(A train in North America is a consist of cars and power that has
authority to run on a certain section of track, ie loco + cars or MU cars.)

All trains in the northeast are loco + car including the Acela
consists. AMTRAK has no EMUs, although multiple Acela consists could be
coupled together and run as one train.

NJT, SEPTA, Metro North,and ConDot(Connecticut Dept of Transportation,
have EMUs. NJT and SEPTA run on some AMTRAK tracks and AMTRAK runs on
ConDot rails.

And this is not just the old old stuff they have inherited but also
the newer acquisitions.
Almost all inherited equipment has long been retired except possibly for
some cars that have been rebuilt.

bob gillis


Re: Not Swiss (Fire on Train in Channel Tunnel)

Andrew Moglestue
 

--- In SwissRail@yahoogroups.com, "csipromo" <csipromo@...> wrote:


The Channel tunnel may be more at risk due to the loading of the
vehicles right at the tunnel and not at a distance (as in
Switzerland).
This is not strictly speaking the case for the Vereina tunnel, although
admittedly that route is not an important freight link.

Andrew


Re: Old stock

Max Wyss
 

Amtrak must be one of tghe most underfunded railway operators in the
world. So no money trees there. Yet they rely very strongly on
classical loco + train consists. As far as I am aware the diesel fleet
is (apart from the talgos) 100% loco and train, and the electric fleet
also has many locos and even the EMUs are to a large extent flexible
formations. And this is not just the old old stuff they have inherited
but also the newer acquisitions.
Although I would have a few question marks when bringing together
"Amtrak" and "efficient operation"...

On the average operation efficiency level Amtrak has, it does not
really matter whether there are fixed consists, and how much switching
is necessary.

However, Amtrak does have some efficient operation, but not under its
own name (MBTA comes to my mind), and there, they have fixed consists
with push-pull operation. Loco-hauled, but otherwise pretty fixed
st-ups, and I am not aware of adding and removing "modules".

Max.


Re: Cascade of Cargo loks begins...

gatehousedc <gatehouseds@...>
 

--- In SwissRail@yahoogroups.com, Heléna Moretti <helena.moretti@...>
wrote:
There are several of us already booking flights...so please ..info
would be appreciated.

Heléna
From my visit to Erstfeld last week I can confirm the following red
machines on the Gotthard passenger services quoted:
Tuesday, 9th September
11183 IR2279
11191 EC117
11194 IR2182, IR2181
11219 IR2275
11350 IR2188
Wednesday, 10th September
11144 IR2268
11145 IR2275
11183 IR2173
11192 & 11112 CIS151 sub.
11194 IR2272
11208 IR2165, IR2182
11217 IR2159
11222 IC672
11229 EC117
Thursday 11th September
11132 IR2279
11144 IR2174, IR2173
11159 IR2276
11173 EC106, EC117
11193 IR2159, IR2177
11203 EC170
11208 IR2272
11217 IR2165
11222 IR2268
Friday, 12th September
11191 IR2159
11192 & 11112 CIS151 sub
11193 IR2159
11229 IR2275

Cheers, Don


Re: Old stock

Andrew Moglestue
 

--- In SwissRail@yahoogroups.com, "Krist van Besien"
<krist.vanbesien@...> wrote:


Provided you have a money tree, which doesn't exist in the real world.

Amtrak must be one of tghe most underfunded railway operators in the
world. So no money trees there. Yet they rely very strongly on
classical loco + train consists. As far as I am aware the diesel fleet
is (apart from the talgos) 100% loco and train, and the electric fleet
also has many locos and even the EMUs are to a large extent flexible
formations. And this is not just the old old stuff they have inherited
but also the newer acquisitions.

Andrew


Re: Old stock

Andrew Moglestue
 

--- In SwissRail@yahoogroups.com, "Krist van Besien"
<krist.vanbesien@...> wrote:

Soon Köln - Brussel will be hourly. That will give me a lot of
flexibility when choosing my travel time, even more than I have now.
Mostly I want to leave after breakfast and arrive before dinner...
in my case, I would prefer to have breakfast on the train. That saves
time and permits me to start earlier. This basically rules out the SNCF
route as this has lost ist dining cars. Mind you, on the ICE this is
not always well solved either, as there are two different units without
a gangway between them and two small dining cars, which are probably
less efficient to operate than one full-size dining car. Also, it has
often happened to me that the dining car in my part of the train was
full whereas I later discovered that in the other part of the train was
half empty. All the more reasons to have a gangway connection between
sets or a single long set.

Andrew

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