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Re: Ae 6/6 to work passenger 11/12/08

A Spencer <spencera2@...>
 

Just a point about about Ae 6/6, I will be using one on my Charters in
both April and September.

Program & Booking forms available from spencera2@sky.com

Alan


Re: Ae 6/6 to work passenger 11/12/08

Malcolm Hardy-Randall <gotthard@...>
 

--- In SwissRail@yahoogroups.com, "Martin Baumann" <all@...> wrote:

BahnCH reports an Ae 6/6 will work

18050 1549 Einsiedeln-Zurich Altstetten
18051 1720 Zurich Altstetten-Einsiedeln

tomorrow 11.12.08
Anybody know what the trailing load limit is for an Ae 6/6 on a 50 per
mille ramp?

Malcolm


Ae 6/6 to work passenger 11/12/08

Martin Baumann <all@...>
 

BahnCH reports an Ae 6/6 will work

18050 1549 Einsiedeln-Zurich Altstetten
18051 1720 Zurich Altstetten-Einsiedeln

tomorrow 11.12.08


Re: Itinerary suggestions

gordonwis
 

--- In SwissRail@yahoogroups.com, glenn allen <glenn_rhb@...> wrote:

The walk to the Landwasser viaduct wasn't shut during any of
my 3 winter visits. However,
Thanks for this
Can you clarify which viewpoint is which (ie are both the 'above the
track' viewpoints likely to be dangerous or just one of them?


Re: Itinerary suggestions

glenn allen
 

The walk to the Landwasser viaduct wasn't shut during any of
my 3 winter visits. However, There was thick snow on the path
to the view point above the tunnel portal on the Filisur side.
The path to the viewpoint on the Schmitten side is very steep
in places, I would not recommend it if there is snow around,
that plus the frozen ground would make it very risky.
I would sick with the Filisur viewpoint.


Re: Itinerary suggestions

gordonwis
 

Firstly, as a Suisse Romandiste, I'm hpoping this message will be
number 11501 «Renens»


I agree with Mike C's point about being wary of footpaths in winter.
Technically (does this include the path from Filisur to the
Landwasser?) many footpaths are legally shut during winter – some
with `no walking ` signs. On last Easter's trip to the MOB my wife
and I were a bit naughty and used a path which I think was officially
closed for the winter due to ice risk. Conversely, the previous
Easter we benefited from the winter wanderweg route from Oberwald to
Fiesch being alongside the railway all the way, whereas the normal
summer paths are not! See messages 8248 and 8251:
<http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/SwissRail/message/8251>

Filisur is a very common place for people to go (even I'm going there
but only because I found one of the few locations where you can rent
a detached chalet close to a station (my wife and I prefer the
tranquillity of a complete chalet to ourselves if possible)).

Why not try and visit a few of the narrow gauge lines that nobody
ever truly visits? I'm thinking of things like the Trogener Bahn,
Frauenfeld – Wil, Appenzeller Bahnen etc. The Appenzell mountains are
very pleasant in winter snow. An excellent centre for trips in this
area is the nice spa town of Bad Ragaz which had good services from
the station without the bustle of Chur, From Bad Ragaz you could
visit both the RhB and the abovementioned.

Alternatively, you could do the ZB (Engelberg is worth doing for the
very steep rack) and you could visit Luzern for a `famous town'
excursion. You could stay in the hills alongside the ZB at the Hotel
Lowen in Lungern.


Re: Itinerary suggestions

glenn allen
 

I'm in Filisur from 1st Feb so I might see you there.
On Sunday 8th Feb the snow blower is running from Pontresina to Ospizio Bernina so if you are there you might want to check that out.

In 3 days, hmm.

Filisur-Davos-Klosters-Saglains-St Moritz-Filisur

Using the current timetable :

Filisur dep 0903
Davos Platz arr 0928
walk through the town to Davos Dorf
Davos Dorf dep 1105
Klosters arr 1128
Walk round the town (turn right outside the station (not straight down the hill but through to the park) turn right, then back up the hill.
Klosters dep 1234
Saglians arr 1253
dep 1256
Samedan arr 1342
lunch at the station buffet/restaurant
Samedan dep 1350
St Moritz arr 1358
walk round the lake
http://www.bergbahnenengadin.ch/static_pgs/de/livecam_bad.htm
St Moritz dep dep 1702
Filisur arr 1800

Filisur-Chur-Arosa-Chur Filisur
Filisur dep 0901
Chur arr 1003
Chur dep 1008
Arosa arr 1109 (Arosa Express)
walk round the lake (it's smaller than the one at St Moritz)
have a cup of coffee and a sticky bun
Arosa dep 1248
Langweis arr 1304
Take a photo of the viaduct
Langweis dep 1404 (up train crosses the viaduct at 1349)
Chur Stadt arr 1442
have a walk around the town, the is a model shop in one of the squares, I always have trouble finding it.
Chur dep 1658
Filisur arr 1801

Filisur-Davos-Landquart-Disentis-Reichenau-Tamins-Filisur
Filisur dep 0903
Davos Platz arr 0928
Davos Platz dep 1002
Landquart arr 1113
coffee in the supermarket and a visit to the RhB bahnladen
Landquart dep 1217
Disentis arr 1411
Disentis dep 1545 (Glacier Express leaves at 1528)
Reichenau-Tamins 1650
dep 1708
Filisur arr 1801

Just a few ideas to get you started.


re BLS S1 loco hauled diagram

Martin Baumann <all@...>
 

I was in no way offended. The information on this seems to change at least once a day.

The two 185s were out on driver training with the DB coaches today.


Re: re BLS S1 loco hauled diagram

A Spencer <spencera2@...>
 

Martin,

Thanks, looks like we will have to wait and see.

I will be having Dinner with two Colleagues from BLS AG on 28/12, so there
will be a lot of Questions.

Regards,

Alan.


Re: re BLS S1 loco hauled diagram

Martin Baumann <all@...>
 

Latest information from BahnforumCH suggests only 1 set as it reports the two 185s will be the regular power with 485 017 and 019 in reserve and normally still in frieght service


Re: re BLS S1 loco hauled diagram

A Spencer <spencera2@...>
 

Markus,

The point was not ment to mean (or offend) yourself or Martin, but we all
know the people (Railway Periodicals) that print thing without either
checking or seeking sight of official paper work, many many year in the
industry mean that (for me anyway) I keep out of such subjects on-line. In
this case, there has been a lot conjecture (in message form) over several
weeks. My point about this weekend was not fully explained, these talks have
been on going for some weeks (of course they would have), but my point
was meant to say that the talks had concluded only in the last few days
toget the 2nd Set (which as you will know was always what was reqired, but
has proved difficult to
obtain).

I like most value. good reporting, but am always amazed at some of the
misinformation that get printed. The customers on My Charter Train in April
will be interested, however by then, it is possible that these Diagrams
might be finished!, for myself I will be in Switzerland from 28th December
2008 till 4th January 2009. my 250th visit since 1968, a milestone for me,
so I look forward to riding the S1 loco-hauled.

Regards,

Alan.


Re: re BLS S1 loco hauled diagram

Guerbetaler
 

A Spencer wrote:
My contacts at BLS (Both Managers in different Departments, 1 In
Charge opf Driver the Other traction) assure me that there will be 2
Sets, the procurement of the 2nd set was being discussed over this
weekend and should be in place in the next few days, as reported in
another message, the locos to work these Diagrams will be 185 525/27
& 487 017/19

I think some of the stuff that gets in the Railway press in
Switzerland is like that that appears in the British Railway press,
it is just pure speculation form people who know very little about
what is actually going on behind closed doors within Railway
Management.
Alan
There is some contradiction in what you say. If the procurement of
the 2nd set has only been discussed this weekend, the information
that one set is hired was correct until about Friday evening. Wasn't it?

I have seen official papers that BLS needs to be allowed to use these
German coaches in Switzerland. And these papers only contained
the five coaches that Martin mentioned. Now if BLS (and the Aaretal
commuters) are lucky to get a second set, a new official paper is
needed!

It isn't appropriate to speak about incorrect information in the case
of a new development. But we enjoy informations about new
developments! Thanks for that.

Markus, G�rbetal


Re: re BLS S1 loco hauled diagram

A Spencer <spencera2@...>
 

Martin,

My contacts at BLS (Both Managers in different Departments, 1 In Charge opf
Driver the Other traction) assure me that there will be 2 Sets, the
procurement of the 2nd set was being discussed over this weekend and should
be in place in the next few days, as reported in another message, the locos
to work these Diagrams will be 185 525/27 & 487 017/19

I think some of the stuff that gets in the Railway press in Switzerland is
like that that appears in the British Railway press, it is just pure
speculation form people who know very little about what is actually going on
behind closed doors within Railway Management.


Re: re BLS S1 loco hauled diagram

reissr2001 <reiss@...>
 

--- In SwissRail@yahoogroups.com, "Martin Baumann" <all@...> wrote:

So far BLS/Bombardier have only obtained one set of DB coaches:
According to the requirements of the Swiss BAV four locos shall be
equipped with an additional indicator lamp if one door (or more) is
open.

As a result only these locos will haul the coaches. Locos are BLS-owned
485 017, 485 019 and the 185 525 and 185 527 from Angel Trains.

Regards
Reinhard


Re: re BLS S1 loco hauled diagram

Martin Baumann <all@...>
 

So far BLS/Bombardier have only obtained one set of DB coaches:

DBpza781 50 80 26-81 235-6

DBpza781 50 80 26-81 236-4

DBpza781 50 80 26-81 244-8

DBpza781 50 80 26-81 245-5

DABpza786 50 80 36-81 097-8


Perhaps efforts to acquire a second proved unsuccesful.

(Bombardier are paying for the whole operation as compensation for late delivery of 535 units)


Re: Itinerary suggestions

Bill Bolton
 

On Fri, 05 Dec 2008 17:21:40 -0000, Mike C wrote:

The other trip that is worth the ride in the winter is the Chur-Arosa
train.
We rode it in May a few years ago, and had bright sunshine and fine
warm weather in Chur while it was cold and snowing by the time we
reached the heights of Arosa..... which made for a fascinating trip
for us (coming from a country where only relatively tiny parts get any
snow at all, even in the depths of winter).

Cheers,

Bill

Bill Bolton
Sydney, Australia


More Krok action at Filisur

Chris Walters
 

Hi all,

Further to the original posts, I've been perusing the webcam 'back catalog'
for recent days, and the Krok has made a few trips through Filisur:

http://webcam.schmalspurbahn.ch/filisur/webcam/a081203143103269

http://webcam.schmalspurbahn.ch/filisur/webcam/a081129162642272

Regards,
Chris


Re: Itinerary suggestions

Michael Enright <menright6151@...>
 

Don,
They definitely look like logs to me. Scandalous to describe them as anything else!

Regards,

Michael

[no TOFU on SwissRail! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TOFU]


Re: Itinerary suggestions

Chris Walters
 

Hi Don/all,

I'll be staying in Filisur myself later this month, and was floored by the
sight of the Krok shown in the webcam link below. I understand RhB has two
in operation, although I was under the impression they were 'charter' only
locomotives...?

Is there any likelihood that a Krok working in regular service through
Filisur might be something that will continue on through December into early
2009?

Many thanks for any advice :)

Regards,
Chris


Re: Itinerary suggestions

csipromo
 

--- In SwissRail@yahoogroups.com, "gatehousedc" <gatehouseds@...>
wrote:

--- In SwissRail@yahoogroups.com, "Fionnbarr Kennedy" <mail@>
wrote:
but am not as familiar with the RHB. I would be looking for good
photographic spots and perhaps a chance for some snow shoe trekking
(definitely straying off topic a bit here!. All travelling will be
done using rail with a Swiss Pass

So if anyone has a suggested 3 day itinerary

Take a look at Message 10173 from Brian D. dated February last. The
link to the associated photos is also worth a browse for location
and
ideas. He based himself at the Grischuna. It certainly inspired
me
to give it a go and I am booked in there in January 2009 and why
not.

Now, have a look what ambled through Filisur this a.m. on logs
(whoops, I hope there won't be another debate on when logs are logs
and timber is just wood in some form or other...... Sorry Chaps)

http://webcam.schmalspurbahn.ch/filisur/webcam/m081205081550160

Enjoy your trip and may the light be with you, as they say.

Cheers,

Don
Fionnbarr,

there is much more to the Grisons than trains in February. I would
suggest that you check out locations in the Engadine, which by itself
is a lovely destination in the winter. If you stay somewhere between
Zuoz and Samedan, you can enjoy cross country or downhill skiing,
snowshoeing and will be within minutes of the RhB routes to Vereina,
the Albula, Bernina and to St Moritz itself.
One photo location that I remember from my childhood was from the
road between St Moritz and Pontresina. The other one was the station
at Diavolezza.

The important thing to remember is that access to many locations in
the winter is dependent on snow and weather conditions. Basing
yourself in the Engadin will allow you to explore the greatest
variety of RhB routes. (see above).

St Moritz - Samedan - Albula - Filisur
St Moritz - Scuol - Vereina
St Moritz - Bernina (- Tirano)
The other trip that is worth the ride in the winter is the Chur-Arosa
train.

Regards

Mike C

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