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Re: EUROSTAR THROUGH BOOKING TO SWITZERLAND

A Spencer <spencera2@...>
 

[no TOFU on SwissRail! <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TOFU> ]

Markus, is correct, everyone needs to remember that airline run a fraction
of what a railway runs, and they all have to bid for path, more so when
crossing international bounderies.

It would be great to book months and months ahead, but it would be a farse.
Also dispite me saying so when this thread first started, You Can book
Eurostar 120 days ahead, so as of now October the 1st is in the system.

The only real reason for booking so far ahead for a flight is cost, the
earlier you do it the cheaper it is, but is is also one big fiddle, the cost
£0.00, but then the extra come in, Air Tax, Fuel Tax, additional bags at
about £10 p/b, insurance then last of all Ryanair and their Credit Card
Sham. Do railways do that, the answer is a big NO. Yes it is cheaper if you
can book earlier, but there are NO extras. And then there is the cost of
food and drink on board planes, which actually make up for the cheapness of
the flight. Where on a train do you pay £3.50 for a coffee?

I would love (as a Railwayman) to use rail all the time, but as a pensioner,
I also have to watch the cost, time is not the big consideration since
retireing.

And then as has been mentioned, the Carbon Footprint, lets say no more than,
Rail is the winner here against all other land born transport and Flight.

Alan


Re: EUROSTAR THROUGH BOOKING TO SWITZERLAND

dale7522 <dalet80@...>
 

[no TOFU on SwissRail! <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TOFU> ]

Hi, David

I couldn't agree with you more. I've been trying to get a Eurostar to just Brussels or Paris recently but gave up when the 3 month limit meant that I couldn't get plans finalised when I wanted. I was also hoping to use Eurostar as the first part of a trip to Switzerland (particularly as my local fast train goes into St Pancras) but again the 3 month limit caused problems with hotel accommodation - I've now booked with Easyjet.......

Why is there this silly 3 month limit?

I can book accommodation 12 months in advance and I can book flights 6-12 months in advance. As someone who likes to carefully plan my trips, it seems that I can't use Eurostar!

Regards,

Dale


Re: EUROSTAR THROUGH BOOKING TO SWITZERLAND

Bill Bolton
 

On Mon, 1 Jun 2009 23:02:12 +0200, Markus wrote:

You can only book a train after its timetable is confirmed. And
Train operating companies are not independent in fixint
timetables, they need slots...
How is the significantly different for international airlines and
landing/gate slots at airports?

None the less, at least some international airlines will let you book
up to nearly a year in advance.

Cheers,

Bill

Bill Bolton
Sydney, Australia


Re: EUROSTAR THROUGH BOOKING TO SWITZERLAND

young_pete2000
 

Is not one of the problems however with not booking a through journey that in the case of delay and/or missed connections there is no obligation on the Railway Operators to carry you on to your destination at no extra cost and as expediently as possible.

Young Pete


Re: EUROSTAR THROUGH BOOKING TO SWITZERLAND

Guerbetaler
 

I don't comment on the pricing policy of Eurostar, TGV, DB,
SBB and other railway companies. But a little note on this:

srseditor wrote:
Why can we only book three months in advance? I want to book
six months in advance, perhaps even a year at times. This is
impossible, and for no real reason as far as I can see.
You can only book a train after its timetable is confirmed. And
Train operating companies are not independent in fixint
timetables, they need slots... Booking 6 months in advance
for 13 Dec 2009 would mean that the timetable for 2010 (which
starts on the date mentioned) must be fixed on 12 June 2009!

Tomorrow will start the public consultation of the timetable
2010/11 and after this about 3 months are needed to fix
everything.

Understand?

Markus, G�rbetal


Re: EUROSTAR THROUGH BOOKING TO SWITZERLAND

srseditor <bodensee@...>
 

Hello Helena,

I had this suspicion you might reply!

As you know I agree almost 100% with your sentiments, I also agree that by flaffing about it is possible to get a reasonable deal. But why is it so difficult? Why can we only book three months in advance? I want to book six months in advance, perhaps even a year at times. This is impossible, and for no real reason as far as I can see. You and I are knowledgeable, we know our way round the snake pit of fares, services, companies etc etc. Eurostar have missed a trick yet again, they need to compete with the airlines, not neccessarily budget ones either. They aren't and until they do the average person will book quickly, easily and cheaply over the internet with an airline.

Take heart from the fact that we aren't average!!

Regards from Worcester,

DAVID

--- In SwissRail@yahoogroups.com, Heléna Moretti <helena.moretti@...> wrote:

Hi David,
 
I always use Eurostar, I own no car and travel from Shrewsbury and pay on average about £120 from Shrewsbury to Basel, return. To do this I first look for Eurostars leaving London (and Paris) at about 13:00 booking directly on their website 3 months in advance (they don't release seats any earlier)..cost £59 return.
.
I then book my french tickets, using the Corail service from Paris Est to Mulhouse departing at 16:41, on the Rail Europe website for about 18.50 Euro each way (return departs at 07:45).  The hop to Basel usually costs 7.50 Euro which I buy at Mulhouse or at Paris depending on how much time I have at either on the day of travel. (The walk from Paris Nord to Est is 10 minutes at most).
.
I finally book my Wrexham & Shropshire advance singles for £10 each way and the job is done. No car park charges (yipee), no plane travel (yipee), no stripping down to my underwear for airport security (dang!), no dumping my toothpaste and bottle of pop in a bin because someone tried to sneak on board with a Swiss Army Knife 6 weeks before (yes you can take small Swiss army knives on Eurostar). The comfort of reserved seat, no queing in priority B and fighting with 150 other priority B's to get a seat. A bar where you can stand up, room to take a stroll about and avoid thrombosis and blood clots from folding yourself into a 4" square space they call a seat for 3 hours.
-
No 3 hours delay at 22:00 at night like we had at Zurich only to find all public transport has shut down for the night when you get home! All this and a carbon footprint a fraction of the size in a world slowly cooking itself to death.
.
Replying rant over......
Helena
.
PS Don't get me wrong, I am not annoyed at you David, your gripe is valid as you should be able to book all the tickets you need 3 months in advance on one site for the same price, perhaps even less. The reply shows it is possible to get your £100 return, sure it takes longer to do the journey, sure the process involves balancing 3 different websites and bookings but it is possible, it is my choice not to fly, for my son's sake (global climate change), for my sake (views and comfort) and I do get a class 72000 diesel to and from Paris Est.
 

 


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Re: EUROSTAR THROUGH BOOKING TO SWITZERLAND

john_dmj
 

--- In SwissRail@yahoogroups.com, David Stevenson <bodensee@...> wrote:

[snip]
Forgot to mention that you cannot
book a Eurostar ticket for September yet.[snip]
Eurostar tickets can be booked up to 120 days in advance and TGV tickets up to 90 days in advance.

This means that today, I can book a Eurostar ticket for 29th September and a TGV ticket for 30 August.

With Eurostar to Lille (return) at £55 per person, Lille to Strasbourg (return by direct TGV) at £41 pp and Strasbourg to Basel at £37 return, that's London to Basel by train for £133 return per person. Booking through Eurostar (change in Paris) comes in at £170 pp return, so I will be going by train but not getting a through ticket!

J


Re: EUROSTAR THROUGH BOOKING TO SWITZERLAND

Bill Bolton
 

On Mon, 1 Jun 2009 07:04:51 +0000 (GMT), Helena wrote:

Replying rant over......
Congratulations on *entirely* missing the point of the original post!

Bill Bolton
Sydney, Australia


Charters Helvetia [2008] - 2009 Charter Trains

alan spencer <spencera2@...>
 

My latest up-date for the Charter Operation in September can be requested at spencera2@sky.com or +44(0)7933509987

The up-date also includes details of April 2010 Charter weekend and some other dates for 2010.


Re: EUROSTAR THROUGH BOOKING TO SWITZERLAND

Heléna Moretti
 

________________________________
From: David Stevenson bodensee@btconnect.com
Sent: Sunday, 31 May, 2009 11:18:41 PM
Subject: [SwissRail] EUROSTAR THROUGH BOOKING TO SWITZERLAND





"With Eurostar from St Pancras-Zurich, £420 rtn for 2 for the cheapest
seats, one train a day, I have to get to St Pancras which is expensive
and impossible more or less by car ( for Eurostar travel anyway ) from
where I live in Worcester. Coming back I'll be travelling in the peak
so will have to take a mortgage out. EasyJet from Luton for 2 £173
return on the days I want to travel. Forgot to mention that you cannot
book a Eurostar ticket for September yet."

"Guess what . . . I won't be travelling with Eurostar, particularly as
you have to drag your luggage all over Paris as well.

Joined up thinking I don't think."

End of rant.
David Stevenson
bodensee@btconnect. com

Hi David,
 
I always use Eurostar, I own no car and travel from Shrewsbury and pay on average about £120 from Shrewsbury to Basel, return. To do this I first look for Eurostars leaving London (and Paris) at about 13:00 booking directly on their website 3 months in advance (they don't release seats any earlier)..cost £59 return.
.
I then book my french tickets, using the Corail service from Paris Est to Mulhouse departing at 16:41, on the Rail Europe website for about 18.50 Euro each way (return departs at 07:45).  The hop to Basel usually costs 7.50 Euro which I buy at Mulhouse or at Paris depending on how much time I have at either on the day of travel. (The walk from Paris Nord to Est is 10 minutes at most).
.
I finally book my Wrexham & Shropshire advance singles for £10 each way and the job is done. No car park charges (yipee), no plane travel (yipee), no stripping down to my underwear for airport security (dang!), no dumping my toothpaste and bottle of pop in a bin because someone tried to sneak on board with a Swiss Army Knife 6 weeks before (yes you can take small Swiss army knives on Eurostar). The comfort of reserved seat, no queing in priority B and fighting with 150 other priority B's to get a seat. A bar where you can stand up, room to take a stroll about and avoid thrombosis and blood clots from folding yourself into a 4" square space they call a seat for 3 hours.
-
No 3 hours delay at 22:00 at night like we had at Zurich only to find all public transport has shut down for the night when you get home! All this and a carbon footprint a fraction of the size in a world slowly cooking itself to death.
.
Replying rant over......
Helena
.
PS Don't get me wrong, I am not annoyed at you David, your gripe is valid as you should be able to book all the tickets you need 3 months in advance on one site for the same price, perhaps even less. The reply shows it is possible to get your £100 return, sure it takes longer to do the journey, sure the process involves balancing 3 different websites and bookings but it is possible, it is my choice not to fly, for my son's sake (global climate change), for my sake (views and comfort) and I do get a class 72000 diesel to and from Paris Est.
 

 


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RhB Loco Diagram Review - May 2009

gatehousedc <gatehouseds@...>
 

I have been taking a look through the latest RhB loco diagrams that commenced 16th May and continue through to 18th October:

http://www.rhb.ch/Locomotive-services.995.0.html?&L=4.

The freight service structure is basically the same apart from a shuffle of the majority of the loco diagram numbers that cover a particular day's operation M-F.

Ge 6/6 in summary:
201 – Lq 5213 Iz 5220 Lq 5135 Pa 5954 Sa 6356 Lq 6363 Sa (are these typos for 5356/5363, running via the Engadine, perhaps?)
202 – Sa 5922 Ze 5336 Lq 5153 Pa 5982 Sa
203 – Sa 5120 Lq 5243 Di 8260F Tr 5247F Di 5264 Pa
204 – Lq 5113 Pa 5140 Lq 5157 Pa 5376 Lq
205 – Lq 5211 Di 5236 Lq 5047 Da 5054 Lq
206 – Ch 5527 Fe 5524 Ch 5129 Sa 6166 Lq

Ge 4/4i workings:
401 – Lq 5225 Iz 5232 Lq 5043 Je 5042 Lq 8551 Ch
402 – Ch 5508/4109 Sa 5152 Lq 5567(THO?) Ch

Ge 4/4ii workings:
309 – Lq 1013 Da 5026 Lq 5237 Iz 5244 Lq 1077 Da
312 – Di 1223 Ch 8518 Lq 5533 Th 5538 Lq 5257 Iz 5266 Lq

For the very early birds, Ge 4/4iii cover, but I guess they could be a good bet for a 6/6:
104 – Lq 5009 SM to start the day
106 – Ch 5011 Sa to start the day.

On Saturday 4/4iii Diag. 103 starts with Ch 5011 Sa and Ge 6/6 204 covers Sa 5162 Lq in the evening. I saw no booked Sunday freight workings.

A few oddities from my review:
1. What do the 6xxx Trains refer to, please or are they typos?
For example, 201, above quotes Sa 6356 Lq 6363 Sa. Are these typos for Trains 5356/5363, running via the Engadine, perhaps?
2. Ge6/6 206 is listed to return from Sa to Lq with Train 6166. Until the diagram change it would cover Train 5164 but I cannot see this listed. That said, the Filisur webcam shows a 6/6 heading north at circa. 1916 with freight, so is this a typo for 5166, a re-timed later train?
3. Two other freights have been re-numbered, i.e. 5151 has been replaced by 5153 and 5155 by 5157 both on the Albula route. As far as I can tell they are both running on the previous path, so again could they be typos?

Other item of interest noted:
Within the Ge 4/4ii workings diagrams 313 and 314 caught my eye.
What does Bau stand for, please? The locos work together on a morning return Chur-Arosa under Train 6419/6426. Are these as required additional workings if not what are they?
One loco is dropped at Chur on the return trip to work a return Albula service 1133/1148 and yes the Filisur webcam confirms this, a 4/4ii on the RE. The other loco works through to Untervaz and then appears to be used for Log transfer moves to Stallinger, I think?. The locos reunite later for 6459/6460 Arosa workings. Can anyone clarify through knowledge or observation what these workings actually are, please?

Manay thanks,

Don


EUROSTAR THROUGH BOOKING TO SWITZERLAND

David Stevenson <bodensee@...>
 

I read in the Independent that Eurostar will now book you through to
Switzerland, great I thought, I go there two/three times a year for
the trains. At last an easy way to book and go and what's more fares
around £100 rtn, even better.

Then I checked for two people . . .

With Eurostar from St Pancras-Zurich, £420 rtn for 2 for the cheapest
seats, one train a day, I have to get to St Pancras which is expensive
and impossible more or less by car ( for Eurostar travel anyway ) from
where I live in Worcester. Coming back I'll be travelling in the peak
so will have to take a mortgage out. EasyJet from Luton for 2 £173
return on the days I want to travel. Forgot to mention that you cannot
book a Eurostar ticket for September yet. Travelling Swiss from
Birmingham, £260 rtn, yes that's Swiss from Brum, usually the world's
most expensive route. From Heathrow £200 rtn, nine flights a day. I
can drive to the airport, park and leave the car at a reasonable
rate, from Birmingham I don't even have to do that, one of the family
can take me.

Guess what . . . I won't be travelling with Eurostar, particularly as
you have to drag your luggage all over Paris as well.

Joined up thinking I don't think.

End of rant.
David Stevenson
bodensee@btconnect.com


Re : [MOB] Derailment?

jeanphilippe.noiville@...
 

Quite by accident, if I may say so, I was right on the spot last Wednesday. What happened is that 3005 and 3006 were coupled together apparently for an instruction run. 3005 derailed on the lower switch of Les Sciernes station at about 10 am, blocking the line. Around 11.30 am a rescue team arrived presumably from Chernex with 6004 hauling X402 box car. Around 12.30 pm the instruction team brought back 3006 to Montbovon and parked it. Rerailing 3005 proved quite difficult and was not over when, around 2.15 pm, the Golden Panoramic Express arrived from Montreux and stopped in front of Les Sciernes station building. The bewildered passengers were asked to alight and waited a few minutes until the Golden Pass Classic , pulled by 8001, arrived from Montbovon and stopped around the middle of the great curve (a little lower than the road crossing). Passengers switched trains (the walk was about 100 meters) and each train went on its way. From my viewing point it would appear that 8001 was banking the train (I could not see the lower end of the Golden Pass Classic so another loco might have come up and be coupled to it, but it seems unlikely). I drove back to Montbovon. The 2.40 pm TPF train was slightly delayed to wait for 4002 coming late from Zweisimmen with a few passengers connecting to Gruyeres. 4002 then left for Montreux but soon returned to Montbovon. At around 3.30 pm the instruction crew  unparked 3006 and left presumably for Zweiseimmen. I saw it last at Chateau d Oex at 4.15 but I had to drive on to Italy so that s the end of my report.


Re: Ae 6/6 preservation

martinbaumann112 <all@...>
 

11411 was officially transferred to SBB-Historic on April 30th. It will initially be based at Erstfeld.

See http://www.lokifahrer.ch/Lokomotiven/Loks-SBB/11411.htm


Re: [BLS] Good news about Ae 6/8 205

Fionnbarr Kennedy
 

--- In SwissRail@yahoogroups.com, "Markus" <guerbetaler@...> wrote:

Ae 6/8 205 took profit from the wreck of "Fionnbarr's" Re 4/4 187.
ZUB/ETM-equipment from the latter was transferred to 205
which is now again allowed to run on all lines except NBS (new
Bern - Olten line) and LBT (Lötschberg Base Tunnel).
Well I think the very LEAST they can do is give me a cab ride in 205 :-) (was packing 187 away for re-location to my new layout only yesterday and was thinking of the origional's sad demise....

Fionnbarr
www.fionnbarr.com

PS for those who like unusual combinations on their layouts the current issue of Railway Update has a great pic of an SBB Flirt being towed through Sweden by an EI 18 - a nice unusual "Swiss" combination for a layout! The set in question (RABe 521 011) was a standard revenue producing set from the Basel area and upon its return entered straight back into service - most impressive!


RhB Loco Diagram Review - May 2009

gatehousedc <gatehouseds@...>
 

I have been taking a look through the latest RhB loco diagrams that commenced 16th May and continue through to 18th October:

http://www.rhb.ch/Locomotive-services.995.0.html?&L=4.

The freight service structure is basically the same apart from a shuffle of the majority of the loco diagram numbers that cover a particular day's operation M-F.

Ge 6/6 in summary:
201 – Lq 5213 Iz 5220 Lq 5135 Pa 5954 Sa 6356 Lq 6363 Sa (are these typos for 5356/5363, running via the Engadine, perhaps?)
202 – Sa 5922 Ze 5336 Lq 5153 Pa 5982 Sa
203 – Sa 5120 Lq 5243 Di 8260F Tr 5247F Di 5264 Pa
204 – Lq 5113 Pa 5140 Lq 5157 Pa 5376 Lq
205 – Lq 5211 Di 5236 Lq 5047 Da 5054 Lq
206 – Ch 5527 Fe 5524 Ch 5129 Sa 6166 Lq

Ge 4/4i workings:
401 – Lq 5225 Iz 5232 Lq 5043 Je 5042 Lq 8551 Ch
402 – Ch 5508/4109 Sa 5152 Lq 5567(THO?) Ch

Ge 4/4ii workings:
309 – Lq 1013 Da 5026 Lq 5237 Iz 5244 Lq 1077 Da
312 – Di 1223 Ch 8518 Lq 5533 Th 5538 Lq 5257 Iz 5266 Lq

For the very early birds, Ge 4/4iii cover, but I guess they could be a good bet for a 6/6:
104 – Lq 5009 SM to start the day
106 – Ch 5011 Sa to start the day.

On Saturday 4/4iii Diag. 103 starts with Ch 5011 Sa and Ge 6/6 204 covers Sa 5162 Lq in the evening. I saw no booked Sunday freight workings.

A few oddities from my review:
1. What do the 6xxx Trains refer to, please or are they typos?
For example, 201, above quotes Sa 6356 Lq 6363 Sa. Are these typos for Trains 5356/5363, running via the Engadine, perhaps?)
2. Ge6/6 206 is listed to return from Sa to Lq with Train 6166. Until the diagram change it would cover Train 5164 but I cannot see this listed. That said, the Filisur webcam shows a 6/6 heading north at circa. 1916 with freight, so is this a typo for 5166, re-timed later train?
3. Two other freights have been re-numbered, i.e. 5151 has been replaced by 5153 and 5155 by 5157 both on the Albula route. As far as I can tell they are both running on the previous path, so again could they be typos?

Other item of interest noted:
Within the Ge 4/4ii workings diagrams 313 and 314 caught my eye.
What does Bau stand for, please? The locos work together on a morning return Ch-Arosa under Train 6419/6426. Are these as required additional workings?
One loco is dropped at Chur on the return trip to work a return Albula service 1133/1148 and yes the Filisur webcam confirms. The other loco works through to Untervaz and then appears to be used for Log transfer moves to Stallinger. The locos reunite later for 6459/6460 Arosa workings. Can anyone clarify, please?

Cheers,

Don


[Administrative]

Guerbetaler
 

There might be some delay in approving and forwarding
messages during the next three days. On Monday
everything should be back to normal. I appologize for
any inconvenients.

Markus


Re: [BLS] Good news about Ae 6/8 205

martinbaumann112 <all@...>
 

What happened to the ETCS equipment in 187?

Martin Baumann


[BLS] Good news about Ae 6/8 205

Guerbetaler
 

Ae 6/8 205 took profit from the wreck of "Fionnbarr's" Re 4/4 187.
ZUB/ETM-equipment from the latter was transferred to 205
which is now again allowed to run on all lines except NBS (new
Bern - Olten line) and LBT (Lï¿œtschberg Base Tunnel).

Motive power without ZUB/ETM-equipment will be banned from
most lines from July 2009 or 2011 (for some maintenance and
shunting motive power).

Markus, Gï¿œrbetal


Re: BLS locomotives, was: Re 185

Guerbetaler
 

Markus wrote:
As I wrote, the two Re 4/4" seem to go back to SBBC as well.
They were still standing outside Aebimatt

BLS passenger trains need the following locomotives at the
moment, including reserve trainsets:

6 Re 425, mostly 191-195 and one out of 161-169/190
9 Re 420.5 (six with EW III)
4 Re 465 (two with EW III)
Today these were Re 465 002, 006, 008, 017.
Re 465 005 is also there since 26 May, replacing one Re 420.5

Markus, G�rbetal

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