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MAJOR FREIGHT YARDS

Andrew
 

Hi. Thanks very much to Rachel,Gordon W, KP, Disco1ie,and John Lovda for all the great information. It seems that Muttenz is very popular with many members and i will make sure i visit in December. There are obviously other yards which i must visit while im in Switzerland. I am familiar with Arth-Goldau and Olten. Olten is one station i visit every time i go to Switzerland.In my experience, it can be non stop with freight traffic. Basing myself at The Hotel Frohsinn, in Erstfeld every year, i have taken lots of photos and camcorder footage at locations such as Arth-Goldau, Fluelen, Wassen, Goschenen. Not surprisingly, Erstfeld can be very very busy in the night time period.

Thanks again for everyones help. Keep the ideas coming


Re: MAJOR FREIGHT YARDS

Fionnbarr Kennedy
 

--- In SwissRail@yahoogroups.com, "kp" <yatton123@...> wrote:

Hump shunting for trains from the north goes on at Muttenz ......

Below is a link to the kind of photos you can get there:

http://www.fionnbarr.com/gallery2/v/Rail/Swiss/Swiss-Freights/Muttenz/

Marvellous place - you could spend all day there! As you can see from some of the pics you can get quite close to the hump

Fionnbarr
www.fionnbarr.com


Sugar Beet Season Observations - Part 2

Don <gatehouseds@...>
 

Sugar Beet Season Observations – Part 2

A second visit to West Switzerland via Geneva provided an opportunity for me to concentrate more on the sugar beet traffic on the south and east side of Lake Neuchatel.

En route I noted 3 loaded sugar beet box wagons at Morges with a wagon of logs (mid-day) with the BAM loco 22 waiting for the passenger arrival before departing light engine. So, based on my previous observations, BAM freight must arrive between 10:30 & 11:30 to drop the traffic. There were 4 empty Eoas wagons parked on BAM runners but they must be collected at a later time. Can anyone confirm where they load sugar beet on the BAM?

When I passed Cossonay on Monday 18th October there was no sign of sugar beet loading but the situation had changed when I returned at the end of the week. On Friday 22nd the sidings were well occupied by box waons and the loading was in full swing.

There were loaded sugar beet wagons awaiting collection at Eclepens.

Chavornay was active with loading in action.

Ependes was operational but by the time I passed there in the evening (18:40) the loaded wagons had been removed and taken to Yverdon-les-Bains to join the late afternoon collection from Yvonand (16:20 – 17:10) for a later block working to Aarberg.

From what I could ascertain, block train empties from Aarberg are supplied as required to Nyon, Eclepens, Cossonay and Lausanne Triage Yard. Chavornay, Ependes, and Yvonand being served via Yverdon-les-Bains. There is also sugar beet traffic off the TRAVYS metre gauge line (loading point not known) and I think Onnens-Bonvillars is used as a loading point, but I have not observed that

Over on the other side of the Lake, Payerne is a hub of activity operating loaded block trains to Aarberg (maybe 3 times a day) and receiving empties. Local workings operate to Cugy and Granges-Marnard that I observed. The Domdidier loading appears to be served off the Avenches activities with the shunting loco remaining based at the latter for the day and running a shuttle collection service. Loaded trains from Payerne at mid-day and 16:00ish have loaded wagons added as required for movement to Aarberg.

Not every site runs every day, so the pattern of operation can alter. Some loading sites operate only in the morning (Avenches and Domdidier when I visited) whereas others (Yvonand and Payerne) were up and running very early and operated through the daylight hours.

There was no weekday loading at Estavayer-le-Lac, but I understand there is a Saturday operation, I assume using the portable apparatus used at Cugy that occupies the station car park area in three day blocks periodically through the season, but then there may be other local apparatus used?

During the loading periods observed there was a `conveyor belt' type operation involving tractors and trailers of all shapes and sizes ferrying to and fro and from my observations at Yvonand and Avenches in particular the levels of tidiness was a credit to the farmers and staff involved. All waste was collected and disposed of and brooms and folks were in constant use to keep the loading area tidy. Simply brilliant! There was a tad more debris at Cugy but during my most recent week when the area had returned to its car park function it was in good order again. I think they were due to be loading Wednesday-Friday of this week, again.

The loading and transport season got underway in late September and based on local activities and volumes to be handled runs until early December. The shorter days do present a challenge in terms of light in which to record empty and loaded train moves but over a period of four days I managed to accumulate an acceptable representation of what was to be seen.

For those interested in the wagons used, Swiss Eaos bogie box wagons were the staple means of transport and many of them had clearly had recent works attention to various fixtures and fittings. Also I noted `bauxite' liveried Eas Slovakian wagons, other branded `Sobeira, I think and some all over grey Czech Republic versions (Axbenet). There were some blue liveried versions noted within train consists but I have no details of those, sorry.
A couple of examples can be found at:
http://railportfolio.fotopic.net/p67878548.html
and
http://railportfolio.fotopic.net/p67878545.html

Finally, I did pop a few frames of the various pieces of loading kit in use. Facilities at Yvonand and Avenches in particular were sizeable whereas Cugy relied on a portable version and some farmers did their way.

Examples of apparatus used at loading points can be viewed via this link and then browse through:
http://railportfolio.fotopic.net/p67878542.html

I did plenty of walking and train hopping to cover the locations visited each day, so a large beer and a hearty meal each evening was enjoyed very much.

What a show and well worth a visit or two.

The two portfolios of selected images covering the trips can be viewed at:
http://railportfolio.fotopic.net/c1911271.html
and
http://railportfolio.fotopic.net/c1911268.html

Cheers,

Don


Freight yards for Photography

John Lovda
 

I just came back from a Swiss rail photo trip two weeks ago.  Bellinzona, Biasca, Olten and Arth-Goldau are also great places to watch freight trains go through and sometimes stop.  There are a lot of locomotives parked at Bellinzona because of the main workshop located there.  Biasca seems to be a mothball parking area for Ae 6/6's.  There must have been 10-15 of them in a row although some are partially blocked from view because of other rolling stock sitting on the tracks in front of them.  Finally, take the bus from either Erstfeld or Goshenen to Wassen and walk up to the front door of the famous church.  About every 10-15 minutes a freight or passenger train will pass over the arched bridge in front of you.
 
John

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Brunig line bus substitution

Martin Baumann <martinbaumann112@...>
 

Giswil - Meiringen until 14.11.2010


Original SBB notice:

Bauarbeiten: Zwischen Giswil und Meiringen auf der Linie Luzern - Meiringen (-Interlaken Ost) ist die Strecke für den Bahnverkehr unterbrochen.

Die Fernverkehrszüge IR Luzern - Meiringen - Interlaken Ost fallen zwischen Giswil und Meiringen aus.

Es verkehren Bahnersatzbusse Giswil - Meiringen.
Die Anschlüsse Bus/Bahn sind gewährleistet.

Dauer der Bauarbeiten von 25.10.2010 05:45 Uhr - 14.11.2010 Betriebsschluss.


Re: Changes in the new timetable.

gordonwis
 

I have part answered my own question - I looked it up myself as I should have done in the first instance!
 
The existing Suhrentalbahn to Schoftland goes down 'Tramstrasse' is it actually in the road or roadside?

--- On Fri, 29/10/10, Gordon Wiseman <gordonwis@yahoo.com> wrote:


From: Gordon Wiseman <gordonwis@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [SwissRail] Re: Changes in the new timetable.
To: SwissRail@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, 29 October, 2010, 9:58


 



Two supplementary questions:
 
1) WSB - does the new alignment abolish some street running?
 
2) Bern line G - Does this change include a change of vehicles?
 

 

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Re: Electronic timetables

john_dmj
 

So how can I get the graphic onto my PC?

--- In SwissRail@yahoogroups.com, Krist van Besien <krist.vanbesien@...> wrote:

On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 10:58 AM, John <john@...> wrote:
All very well unless one is dynamically altering the journey whilst in
the train!
That is where the timetable graphic comes in handy...

Krist



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Re: Electronic timetables

Krist van Besien
 

On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 10:58 AM, John <john@dmj-consultancy.co.uk> wrote:
All very well unless one is dynamically altering the journey whilst in
the train!
That is where the timetable graphic comes in handy...

Krist



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Re: MAJOR FREIGHT YARDS

yatton123
 

Hump shunting for trains from the north goes on at Muttenz from about 11 to 13.30.It then starts again about 16.00 except for a trip from Auhafen which seems to be shunted as soon as it comes in.The road bridge goes directly over the hump.You could even watch from Muttenz station.Only part of the this section of the yard is in use(nearest the station) as several of the fans are being relaid.Again you can watch this from the bridge.The north end of the bridge crosses the northbound departure yard.At Nordkopf (west exit from north end of bridge and follow road along by the tennis club and allotments) you can watch all departures to France, Germany and the Auhafen/Birsfelden Hafen yards.There is a visible departure board so you identify the trains.You may even meet the self styled Muttenz Waldman who may give you a cup of tea!You can sometimes see at a distance the shunting of trains from the east from the bridge.
KP


Re: Electronic timetables

john_dmj
 

I should have thought of that, especially since I already have a French
SIM card! Cheers, Keith!

Note to self - buy Swiss SIM card!

On 29/10/10 09:36, Keith Hookham wrote:

I agree it is a poor decision.


Re: Changes in the new timetable.

gordonwis
 

Two supplementary questions:
 
1) WSB - does the new alignment abolish some street running?
 
2) Bern line G - Does this change include a change of vehicles?
 


 




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Re: Electronic timetables

john_dmj
 

All very well unless one is dynamically altering the journey whilst in
the train!

Also, unless this has changed very recently, quite a few larger stations
still have a machine in the ticket office with free access to the
timetabel planner


Re: MAJOR FREIGHT YARDS

gordonwis
 

As I intimated in the first discussion, IMHO traffic is higher around 'tea time' due to the extra traffic coming in from internal Swiss 'trips'. However I don't believe that means that the yards aren't doing anything in the middle of the day. Quite a few freight workings are booked to go out of yards in the morning, return sometime in the middle of day, leave the yard again fior another trip then arrive back in the evening.
 
However, IMHO particularly Muttenz gets plenty of freight spread through all times of the day becasue it is transiting long distance - eg Gotthard - Muttenz - Germany


Re: Electronic timetables

gordonwis
 

Of course SBB might also claim that the taktfahrplan is there to make on the move timetable planning less necessary.
 
Indeed a few years ago I managed to get around just using a large A2 paper sheet which SBB produced showing the taktfahrplan graphic.
 
Also, unless this has changed very recently, quite a few larger stations still have a machine in the ticket office with free access to the timetabel planner

 




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Re: Electronic timetables

Keith Hookham <keith47424@...>
 

I agree it is a poor decision. I used to upload it to my windows mobile and although it didn't give up to the minute information it still gave out the timetable gen. However due to knowing that SBB were going down this route I got my I-Phone unlocked for free by O2 and when last in Switzerland I purchased a Swiss sim card so I could roam a lot cheaper than using my home network. Chf2 a day if I remember correctly for 24 hours roaming of the SBB I-phone app together with everything else the I-phone can do. (and I can also download my email at the same time!)

Cheers Keith47424.



Re: Electronic timetables

john_dmj
 

Thanks for the link, Marcus.

However, until free WiFi is available across the country, I remain one exception to their belief! (My computer is lighter and takes up less space than the three full timetable books, and is easier to use!)

I've asked them the question via the contact link on that page!

On 28/10/10 23:47, Markus wrote:

SBB doesn't think you need an offline product


Re: [RhB] The Allegras take over

OL.Guerbetal
 

Am 28.10.2010 10:57, schrieb brucie1772001:
[...] On many local lines, the passenger accommodation was
very basic often with hard wooden seats.

Please note that I did not use the words "rotten material" or implied
that the rolling stock was defective. I was merely suggesting that an
opportunity to improve the quality of passenger accommodation existed
- a stategy which in the UK leads to higher revenue.
O.k., sorry, now I see your point. However, the comfort of a railcar, motor coach or EMU doesn't necessarily reflect the state of its technical equipment.

Markus, Gï¿œrbetal


Re: Changes in the new timetable.

Guerbetaler
 

Am 28.10.2010 22:27, schrieb George Raymond:

Also the extension of RBS tram route G through central Bern to
Fischermï¿œtteli to become the new route 6.
What did the "G" in RBS line G originally stand for?
Gï¿œmligen (because there are two lines to Worb
- via Worblental = W
- via Gï¿œmligen = G

And, by the way, line 6 is (will be) a SVB Bernmobil line.

Markus, Gï¿œrbetal


Re: Electronic timetables

Guerbetaler
 

Am 28.10.2010 23:09, schrieb John:
IIRC, I read that the next issue of the SBB timetable will not be
available on CD-ROM.

Can anyone confirm this, and, if true, how can I load a copy onto my
notebook computer in readiness for my trip to Switzerland in December
as I have no way of getting on-line whilst travelling?
SBB doesn't think you need an offline product

http://mct.sbb.ch/mct/en/reisezeit/mobiletools.htm?=


Electronic timetables

john_dmj
 

IIRC, I read that the next issue of the SBB timetable will not be available on CD-ROM.

Can anyone confirm this, and, if true, how can I load a copy onto my notebook computer in readiness for my trip to Switzerland in December as I have no way of getting on-line whilst travelling?

TIA!

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