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Re: Linguistic question

TSCHÖP Erich <erich.tschoep@...>
 

I would propose "Rail Network" as this covers only the infrastructure.
Especially in America "Railway Network" would rather concentrate on the
different Railway Companies working in a specific area.

Erich TSCHÖP


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Von: Markus [SMTP:guerbetaler@yahoo.fr]
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An: SwissRail
Betreff: [SwissRail] Linguistic question

We had a discussion what would be the more
correct translation of "Schienennetz", meaning
the whole infrastructure for railways in Switzerland.
Is it "Railway Network" or is it rather "Rail Network"?
Or even something else?

Thanks for help

Markus, Gürbetal




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translation

Dan Ainsworth
 

In english, probably the best description would be railway "System", not
"Network".

Although "Rail" and "Railway" are somewhat interchangeable, "Rail" tends
to be more specific to the actual steel rails than the whole
infrastructure.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"if a man speaks and there is no woman present to hear him, is he still
wrong?"


Re: Linguistic question

Tony Bailey <mercurytravel@...>
 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Markus" <guerbetaler@yahoo.fr>

We had a discussion what would be the more
correct translation of "Schienennetz", meaning
the whole infrastructure for railways in Switzerland.
Is it "Railway Network" or is it rather "Rail Network"?
Or even something else?
Markus,

One thought would be that 'infrastructure is an ideal word (such is the
flexibility of English).

Here in NSW the owner is, at the moment, called 'Rail Infrastructure
Corporation' or 'RIC.'

Of course in Britain, the current owner is now 'Network Rail' - which may be
some sort of redundancy, depending on how you look at it! (Which may
probably soon be amended by the cynics to 'Notwork Rail.')


Tony Bailey
Mercury World Travel
Mercury Travel Books
mercurytravel@optusnet.com.au


Linguistic question

Guerbetaler
 

We had a discussion what would be the more
correct translation of "Schienennetz", meaning
the whole infrastructure for railways in Switzerland.
Is it "Railway Network" or is it rather "Rail Network"?
Or even something else?

Thanks for help

Markus, G�rbetal


Re: BVZ/FO Merger?

Stefan Dringenberg <std@...>
 

Markus schrieb am 23 Jan 2003:

Though I would have preferred Matterhorn - Furka - Oberalp,
<AOL>
Me, too!
</AOL>

I just checked, weather the new Matterhorn - Gotthard railway
name was amongst the names I proposed here on 26 Sep 2002.
Yes, it was:
The BVZ has registered four domain names on 17 Sep 2002:

matterhorn-gotthard-bahn.ch
matterhorngotthardbahn.ch
zermatt-oberalp-bahn.ch
zermattoberalpbahn.ch

Some abbreviations of the name have been registered in January (between
9th and 17th):

mag-bahn.ch
magob-bahn.ch
mb-bahn.ch
mgb-bahn.ch
mgbahn.ch

mgb.ch is registered since 1995 by Migros-Genossenschafts-Bund,
Zï¿œrich...

By now it's the third railway with MG as the first intials:

MG
MGB
MGTN

Bye,
Stefan


Re: BVZ/FO Merger?

Guerbetaler
 

Though I would have preferred Matterhorn - Furka - Oberalp,
I just checked, weather the new Matterhorn - Gotthard railway
name was amongst the names I proposed here on 26 Sep 2002.
Yes, it was:

It seems quite sure that Zermatt will be retained in the
company's name. But for the rest, much is open. What about
Zermatt - Furka - Oberalp
Zermatt - Furkabahn
Zermatt - Oberalpbahn
Zermatt - Furka - Rhein
Zermatt - Gotthardbahn
Gotthard - Zermattbahn
Matterhorn - Gotthard
Zermatt - Rhone - Rhein
Zermatt - Urseren - Graub�nden ("ZUG"!)
Tujetsch - Goms - Zermatt
Oberalp - Goms - Zermatt
???
... to be continued
Markus, G�rbetal


Re: New name BVZ-FO

IS.ANAND <isawcm5@...>
 

--- Stefan Dringenberg <std@rail-info.ch> wrote:

the new name for the former BVZ-FO company will be "Matterhorn Gotthard
Bahn".
I like this too..
ISA

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New name BVZ-FO

Stefan Dringenberg <std@...>
 

Hi all,

the new name for the former BVZ-FO company will be "Matterhorn Gotthard
Bahn". The official announcement can be found at
http://www.bvz.ch/MedienMitteilungen/Medien%20Deutsch/Medienmitteilung%20CICD.pdf

Bye,
Stefan


Re: An Introduction

bob gillis <rpgillis@...>
 

DB fanatic wrote:

After being laid off last fall I have formed my own company, Great Event
Tours, which sponsors train-related tours to Europe several times a year. I
am in the planning stages of a tour through Switzerland in June, and have
developed a fascination for Swiss trains (to add to my fascination with
German, Austrian, and American ones). Hopefully this list can help me with
some questions that may come up regarding places to see in Switzerland and
"can't miss" locations like the Landwasser viadukt, Brusio, or the Swiss
Transportation Museum.
I trust this forthcoming tour is one that you are taking alone or with
your family. Prior to running a tour with customers, I would go on one
run by another group such as Rail Travel Center of Brattleboro VT or
George Drewry of WI. Both advertise in TRAINS Magazine.

George has published excellent guides on Switzerland, Austria, Germany
and Europe. Get them as he includes most of the interesting locations
and routes.

Arranging for five or four star hotels, reserved seating on trains,
baggage handling and taxis between stations and hotels, meals etc for a
group will not be easy unless you speak German, French and perhaps
Italian and Romansh. Many people speak English but sometimes you have
to interact
with non-English speaking people.

My wife and I traveled through France, Switzerland and Germany without
hotel reservations except in Paris and Interlaken. We followed the Rail
Travel tour with some variations. We did a lot of walking finding two
star hotels,

We had Eurail passes which mad traveling easier. But we sat in seats
reserved for a group in Germany because we could not read the signs or
talk with the conductoress.

We have been on several rail tours and running one requires a lot of
local knowledge to run efficiently.

bob gillis


Re: BVZ/FO Merger

Manfred Luckmann
 

Hi,

Stefan Dringenberg wrote:
IainDodd@aol.com schrieb am 20 Jan 2003:
I don't want to sound like a broken record but has the company formed
from the merger of the Brig-Visp-Zermatt and the Furka Oberalp been
given a name yet?
*sigh* be sure that this will be announced and discussed on this list
if anyone has some new facts.
The new name will be published on thursday january 23 2003


Manfred


Re: BVZ/FO Merger

IS.ANAND <isawcm5@...>
 

Somebody heard "bells ring". The bells told him,
the name would be MFO = Matterhorn - Furka - Oberalp.
Still a rumour but certainly not a bad one ...
I like this "MFO" sounds good..

ISA

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Re: An Introduction

IS.ANAND <isawcm5@...>
 

--- DB fanatic <dbfanatic@comcast.net> wrote:

Per the welcoming letter from Markus Giger, I would like to offer a quick
introduction of myself to the SwissRail group...
I thank you in advance for your patience with this "Swiss Newbie" and look
forward to getting to know you all, even if only through email.
Welcome Carsten, and thank you for your introduction..Email is almost as good as
Personal, and we can chat too..


I am - I.S.Anand from distant Mumbai - INDIA, an ex-Banker from Standard-
Chartered Grindlays Bank.. I opted out from Aug. 2001, to be a Professional.
I am now 50 years old, and a BACHELOR, so no restrictions for my Hobbies..
Love of Trains foremost, but also into Cars/Aircraft/Bikes...Major Trains.

I too love all Trains, and at one time had a collection in almost all Scales and
types.. Now restricted to 'HO' and European - SWISS 90%, with
French-German-Austrian-Italian-Spanish..basically trains from these countries,
operating into/through Switzerland..

I have disposed all my earlier huge and small Scales and of the other countries,
except Pre WW-II, "American Flyer" 3-Sets.. I am Not getting buyers for that
here...!!

I love all Mountain Railways, and my present collection is Digital by LENZ and
ROCO.

Due to constraints of Space, a 4-Room Apartment, I have a very modest Lay-out
of 9'x5'..But my stock collection is quite big(?).60 + Locos.

I am into also having MOdels of INDIAN RAILWAYS made in 'O' and other scales,
both working and non-working and decorative pieces, and in BRASS and HIP..

Looking forward to hearing from you..

ISA


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Re: BVZ/FO Merger

Guerbetaler
 

IainDodd@aol.com <IainDodd@aol.com> schrieb:
I don't want to sound like a broken record but has the company
formed from the merger of the Brig-Visp-Zermatt and the
Furka Oberalp been given a name yet?
No announcement yet. We will keep you posted!

But there was a rumour around on BahnCH:
Somebody heard "bells ring". The bells told him,
the name would be MFO = Matterhorn - Furka - Oberalp.
Still a rumour but certainly not a bad one ...

Also looking at the stock lists of both railways there is only one
duplicated running number given to the motive power, namely
number 71. Has one of them yet been given a new running
number?
You are too fast but they certainly will.
For the rest the railways take profit from the numbering scheme
which was introduced in the last year of common BVZ/GGB/FO/SchB
management in 1960, giving
BVZ 2000
GGB 3000
FO 4000
SchB 5000
A few SchB vehicles got the four digit numbers painted on, then
came the divorce BVZ-FO and the "total marriage" (merger) FO-SchB.
But it prevented from having numbers doubled.

Still I think this numbering scheme will be given up as the needs
are now different. It is not possible to reasonably put everything
into the two thousands, there are too many second class coaches.
On the other hand, there is no need to keep the distinction between
2000 and 4000.

just my 2�

Markus, G�rbetal


Re: BVZ/FO Merger

Stefan Dringenberg <std@...>
 

IainDodd@aol.com schrieb am 20 Jan 2003:

I don't want to sound like a broken record but has the company formed
from the merger of the Brig-Visp-Zermatt and the Furka Oberalp been
given a name yet?
*sigh* be sure that this will be announced and discussed on this list
if anyone has some new facts.

Bye,
Stefan


An Introduction

DB fanatic
 

Dear Swiss Rail Enthusiasts,

Per the welcoming letter from Markus Giger, I would like to offer a quick
introduction of myself to the SwissRail group...

My name is Carsten Ramcke, and I live in Ann Arbor, Michigan with my wife
and four-year-old daughter. I am 37 years old, and have been a European
train enthusiast for as long as I can remember. I have a modest Marklin
H.O. layout in the basement, and have recently begun collecting one-scale
trains (Marklin, Huebner) as well.

I am American-born, but thanks to German parents, have speaking, reading and
writing proficiency in German. My father was (and still is) a train fan,
though not as fanatical as I, so I suppose I can blame him for my obsession
with trains, models, prototypes, European, American, it doesn't matter. I
LOVE TRAINS, period.

I helped form the Great Lakes Chapter of European Train Enthusiasts, and am
an active member in the modular layout group and the Marklin Enthusiasts of
America. I also manage to make a trip or two to Germany or Austria every
year, mostly to see trains, though I do get to visit a relative or two
during that time.

After being laid off last fall I have formed my own company, Great Event
Tours, which sponsors train-related tours to Europe several times a year. I
am in the planning stages of a tour through Switzerland in June, and have
developed a fascination for Swiss trains (to add to my fascination with
German, Austrian, and American ones). Hopefully this list can help me with
some questions that may come up regarding places to see in Switzerland and
"can't miss" locations like the Landwasser viadukt, Brusio, or the Swiss
Transportation Museum.

I thank you in advance for your patience with this "Swiss Newbie" and look
forward to getting to know you all, even if only through email.

Best Regards,

Carsten Ramcke


BVZ/FO Merger

Iain Dodd
 

I don't want to sound like a broken record but has the company formed from
the merger of the Brig-Visp-Zermatt and the Furka Oberalp been given a name
yet?

Also looking at the stock lists of both railways there is only one duplicated
running number given to the motive power, namely number 71. Has one of them
yet been given a new running number? I realise they look so completely
different that there will be no confusion between them but it's the
accountant in me that causes me to ask!

Iain Dodd


Re: Re 620 renumberings

Guerbetaler
 

Erg�nzte Liste Re 4/4 und Re 6/6 mit neuer Nummer,
mit rot/blauem Cargo-Anstrich
completed list of Re 4/4 and Re 6/6 with new number,
with red/blue Cargo-livery

620 042-2 R3 27.06.02
620 060-4 R3 Be 04.09.2002
620 065-3 (*) 26.11.2002
620 055-4 (*) 03.12.2002
620 061-2 R3 Be 09.12.02

420 276-8 (*) 06.12.2002

421 377-3 31.10.02
421 397-1 .... 03.02

(*) nur Neuanstich, keine REV, ex Cargo-hellgr�n
(*) new paint only, no other work done, were light-green

Markus, G�rbetal


Re: Zurich Bahn2000 questions

Guerbetaler
 

chrisonnink@attbi.com <chrisonnink@attbi.com> schrieb:
And any idea what the total length of the Thalwil-Zimmererg
tunnel will be?
I assume it to be all 2 track's except for where it branches
of to Thalwil with that underground flyover, hence being three tracks.
Not exactly. Think it to be a double Y, one for Z�rich - Zug and Thalwil,
the other one for Thalwil and Zug - Z�rich.

Markus, G�rbetal


Re: Zurich Bahn2000 questions

Giger-Baumann <giger.baumann@...>
 

chrisonnink@attbi.com <chrisonnink@attbi.com> schrieb:
Wow, those S-bahn trains must generate a hefty amount of power to
main network is 2 tracks. Are these signalled for operation in both
directions or just one?
Some are signalled for operation in both directions some for just one.

Or is the wayside siganling irrelavent with the in-cab sigaling I
understand is being used now?
That will take some time...

As Adrian said, a first test-installation - but unfortunately
without a backup system - caused a lot of problems. Maybe
SBB underestimated what such a change needed but main
responsibility is on ADtranz, now Bombardier which delivered
that system. As it is an old version of ETCS it would have to
be updated to the latest realease 2.2.2 which seems to be
impossible within 2 years.

For Mattstetten - Rothrist SBB chose Alstom to install
ETCS level 2. Alstom also installs level 2 on an italian line.
But SBB recently informed that it be impossible to open the
new line in Dec 2004 with level 2. This means, an operation with
200 km/h won't be possible for the first year. After that year
they hope to have level 2 ready for day-to-day operation. In this
respect it is important to know that the original planning had
foreseen an opening in May 2005. But then timetable change
went to December and SBB thought it would be better to start
already in Dec 2004. ... which now proofed to be impossible with
full equipment.

Next step with ETCS level 2 will be L�tschberg Basistunnel (LBT)
of BLS which is due for opening May 2007 (or Dec 2006 ??).

After that all main lines should be fitted with ETCS level 2 in
about 10 or 15 years. On secondary lines ETCS level 1 is to be
installed.

Markus, G�rbetal


Re: Zurich Bahn2000 questions

Adrian Senn
 

Hi

moving that quickly! Are the S-bahn trains the one's that use
locomotives that
basically match the cars they pull? (I think the photo's I've see had
them
painted blue with yellow doors?)
Yes. You can find a lot of pictures on
http://mercurio.iet.unipi.it/pix/ch/SBB_CFF_FFS/electric/Re450/pix.html

And any idea what the total length of the Thalwil-Zimmererg tunnel
will
be?
On the Webpage http://www.bahn2000zh.ch/tw/allgemein.htm
is written 9,4 kilometer.

Also, watching the myswitzerland.com locomotive pictures, I notce most
of the
main network is 2 tracks. Are these signalled for operation in both
directions or just one? Or is the wayside siganling irrelavent with the
in-
cab sigaling I understand is being used now?
The incab signalling is only used for testing the ETCS Level II
System. The testing line is between Zofingen and Sempach. There
was a lot of problem with this. A lot of delays, because there
was no longer a normal signalling! :-(

SBB decided to install as fallback also a normal signalling on
the new builded track Mattstetten-Rothrist.
If there is a problem with ETCS Level II they can
use the line with 160 km/h (with ETCS 200km/h)

A german press information is available on
http://www.rail.ch/gs/press/press_0212_d.htm#201202ETCS

On the line to Thalwil will be used normal signalling.

I think on the two tracks. So the trains can use both
in both directions.


Gruss Adrian Senn

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