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Re: Schweizer Eisenbahn-Revue 2/2003

Guerbetaler
 

IainDodd@aol.com <IainDodd@aol.com> schrieb:
k.. RM motor coaches and driving trailers renumbered [now
grouped according to type instead of ancient ownership EBT,
VHB or SMB] (56)
Does the same apply to locomotives or will that be done in the
future?
Re 4/4 III 111-113, 141 and 181 had already been renumbered when
repainted shortly after merger, they are now 111-115.

Shunters: no renumbering

Re 456: just 2 locomotives 142-143

Be 4/4: only two left, as museum vehicles, unlikely to be renumbered
(or would SMB 171 get back it's initial number 107?)

Markus, G�rbetal


Re: Schweizer Eisenbahn-Revue 2/2003

Guerbetaler
 

IainDodd@aol.com <IainDodd@aol.com> schrieb:
k.. RM motor coaches and driving trailers renumbered [now
grouped according to type instead of ancient ownership EBT, VHB or
SMB] (56)
Slightly ambiguous wording.

Does this mean that a renumbering scheme is under way or does it
mean that as computer numbers have been allocated which contain
a 'class' number coupled to the original running number this
effectively means that they have been grouped according to type?
No, the class number is the same for the different types. That's the
problem with our "class numbers".

Now the individual vehicle numbers have been regrouped. E.g.

RBDe 4/4 I 221-226, 261, 281 that were later
RBDe 566 221...281 are now
RBDe 566 220-227

NPZ got the numbers
RBDe 566 230-242

Driving trailers have the same two digits at the end (save check digit), eg.
ABt 50 38 39-33 930-X through 942-X

now clear?

Markus, G�rbetal


Re: Freight on Matterhorn-Gothard Bahn and on the RhB.

Guerbetaler
 

davidee@xs4all.nl <davidee@xs4all.nl> schrieb:
- There is freight on the RhB. Is there any freight between MGB
and RhB?
probably not but would be possible
Doesn't the freight towards / from Sedrun originate on the RhB
network? I thought I saw some RhB cars there
of course. All freight to Sedrun comes from Landquart.

What I meant: there is - AFAIK - no or hardly any exchange
over the Oberalp.

Markus, G�rbetal


Re: Schweizer Eisenbahn-Revue 2/2003

Iain Dodd
 

In a message dated 29/01/03 21:17:14 GMT Standard Time, guerbetaler@yahoo.fr
writes:


IainDodd@aol.com <IainDodd@aol.com> schrieb:
k.. RM motor coaches and driving trailers renumbered [now
grouped according to type instead of ancient ownership EBT, VHB or
SMB] (56)
Slightly ambiguous wording.

Does this mean that a renumbering scheme is under way or does it
mean that as computer numbers have been allocated which contain
a 'class' number coupled to the original running number this
effectively means that they have been grouped according to type?
No, the class number is the same for the different types. That's the
problem with our "class numbers".

Now the individual vehicle numbers have been regrouped. E.g.

RBDe 4/4 I 221-226, 261, 281 that were later
RBDe 566 221...281 are now
RBDe 566 220-227

NPZ got the numbers
RBDe 566 230-242

Driving trailers have the same two digits at the end (save check digit),
eg.
ABt 50 38 39-33 930-X through 942-X

now clear?

Markus, Gürbetal


I think so.

Does the same apply to locomotives or will that be done in the future?

Iain Dodd


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Re: MySwitzerland Web page

Jon Blythe <jblythe@...>
 

It automatically refreshes itself every 5 minutes.

jb in bright and sunny (unusually) Blackburn, Lancashire (where there are 4000 holes)

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Sent: 29 January 2003 14:10
To: SwissRail
Subject: [SwissRail] MySwitzerland Web page


I have started accessing the Loko Webcam though
http://int.myswitzerland.com/en/loco/lok.cfm as it gives me the
schedule. However after I download my e-mail, and go off line, my
browser tries to reconnect. Does anyone else have this happen and know
how to correct.

At 1331 on 29 Jan blizzard conditions!

bob gillis




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MySwitzerland Web page

bob gillis <rpgillis@...>
 

I have started accessing the Loko Webcam though
http://int.myswitzerland.com/en/loco/lok.cfm as it gives me the
schedule. However after I download my e-mail, and go off line, my
browser tries to reconnect. Does anyone else have this happen and know
how to correct.

At 1331 on 29 Jan blizzard conditions!

bob gillis


Re: Freight on Matterhorn-Gothard Bahn and on the RhB.

davidee@...
 

Krist van Besien <krist@vanbesien.org> schrieb:

- Is there any freight on the former FO?
yes, to Sedrun/ATG work place for new Gotthard tunnel
but general freight has become rare
will be interesting to see if this policiy will change after merger

- There is freight on the RhB. Is there any freight between MGB and
RhB?
probably not but would be possible
Doesn't the freight towards / from Sedrun originate on the RhB network? I
thought I saw some RhB cars there, but I could be mistaken.

Regards,
David


Re: Schweizer Eisenbahn-Revue 2/2003

Iain Dodd
 

In a message dated 27/01/03 23:51:54 GMT Standard Time, guerbetaler@yahoo.fr
writes:

<snip>

k.. RM motor coaches and driving trailers renumbered [now
grouped according to type instead of ancient ownership EBT, VHB or
SMB] (56)
Slightly ambiguous wording.

Does this mean that a renumbering scheme is under way or does it mean that as
computer numbers have been allocated which contain a 'class' number coupled
to the original running number this effectively means that they have been
grouped according to type?

Iain Dodd


Re: Freight on Matterhorn-Gothard Bahn and on the RhB.

Guerbetaler
 

stephenhorobin@lineone.net <stephenhorobin@lineone.net> schrieb:
Frieght is a regular source of traffic on the FO with considerable
sidings at Oberwald
but not for freight traffic, AFAIK

and Andermatt
army

I don't know if much frieght gets carried between Andermatt and
Disentis though because of the severe gradients but there is
a car carrying service that works to and from Sedrun.
which is considered to be passenger traffic according to Swiss laws.

AFAIK FO freight wagons are now only used for:
- Alptranist/Sedrun
- military transports
- departemental use
- baggage transport
- car carrying
- bicycle transport

anybody knows other considerable sources?

Markus, G�rbetal


Re: Freight on Matterhorn-Gothard Bahn and on the RhB.

Guerbetaler
 

Krist van Besien <krist@vanbesien.org> schrieb:
- A significant amount of freigth is transported between Visp and
Zermatt. I got the impression that almost everything is
transshipped in Visp. Although
some metre gauge cars are aparently transported on standard gauge
transporters on the SBB network. Does someone know how far these
travel?
To the other side of Visp station where some industrial sidings are located
(bere, mineral water and the like)

- Is there any freight on the former FO?
yes, to Sedrun/ATG work place for new Gotthard tunnel
but general freight has become rare
will be interesting to see if this policiy will change after merger

- There is freight on the RhB. Is there any freight between MGB and
RhB?
probably not but would be possible

- Does all freight on the Rhb to/from SBB get transshipped? Or do
they also use "rollbocke"? (what are these called in English ?)
Rollb�cke = transporter bogies
Rollschemel = transporter wagons

RhB has some transporter wagons, but they can only be used
as far as Thusis and Schiers, due to insufficient tunnel clearance
beyond. Flat cars might go to Arosa, Davos etc. but haven't for
years - AFAIK.

Most goods nowadays come in containers and similar things.

Markus, G�rbetal


Re: Freight on Matterhorn-Gothard Bahn and on the RhB.

stephenhorobin@...
 

In Reply;

Frieght is a regular source of traffic on the FO with considerable sidings
at Oberwald and Andermatt also over the other side of the Oberalp pass in
connection with the Alptransit workings at Sedrun.

I don't know if much frieght gets carried between Andermatt and Disentis
though because of the severe gradients but there is a car carrying service
that works to and from Sedrun.

'Rollebocke' has been adopted by English enthusiast!

Steve.

-- Original Message --
To: <SwissRail@yahoogroups.com>
From: Krist van Besien <krist@vanbesien.org>
Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 22:56:46 +0100
Subject: [SwissRail] Freight on Matterhorn-Gothard Bahn and on the RhB.
Reply-To: SwissRail@yahoogroups.com


Hello..

Last time I was in visp the railway to Zermatt was still called BvZ. But
they
like to be called MGB now, so I'll stick with that...

A few questions:
- A significant amount of freigth is transported between Visp and Zermatt.
I
got the impression that almost everything is transshipped in Visp. Although

some metre gauge cars are aparently transported on standard gauge
transporters on the SBB network. Does someone know how far these travel?
- Is there any freight on the former FO?
- There is freight on the RhB. Is there any freight between MGB and RhB?
- Does all freight on the Rhb to/from SBB get transshipped? Or do they
also

use "rollbocke"? (what are these called in English ?)

A lot of questions. I'd be glad for any answers :-)

Greetings,

Krist van besien



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Re: Freight on Matterhorn-Gothard Bahn and on the RhB.

Tony Bailey <mercurytravel@...>
 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Krist van Besien" <krist@vanbesien.org>
- Does all freight on the Rhb to/from SBB get transshipped? Or do they
also
use "rollbocke"? (what are these called in English ?)
Transporter wagons?


Tony Bailey
Mercury World Travel
Mercury Travel Books
mercurytravel@optusnet.com.au


Freight on Matterhorn-Gothard Bahn and on the RhB.

Krist van Besien <krist@...>
 

Hello..

Last time I was in visp the railway to Zermatt was still called BvZ. But they
like to be called MGB now, so I'll stick with that...

A few questions:
- A significant amount of freigth is transported between Visp and Zermatt. I
got the impression that almost everything is transshipped in Visp. Although
some metre gauge cars are aparently transported on standard gauge
transporters on the SBB network. Does someone know how far these travel?
- Is there any freight on the former FO?
- There is freight on the RhB. Is there any freight between MGB and RhB?
- Does all freight on the Rhb to/from SBB get transshipped? Or do they also
use "rollbocke"? (what are these called in English ?)

A lot of questions. I'd be glad for any answers :-)

Greetings,

Krist van besien



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Re: Schweizer Eisenbahn-Revue 2/2003

Guerbetaler
 

Markus <guerbetaler@yahoo.fr> schrieb:
Schweizer Eisenbahn-Revue 2/2003 has arrived.

q.. SBB opened two new stops in the "suburbs" of Luzern:
Emmenbr�cke Gersag (Luzern - Zug) and L�ngenbold (Luzern - Zug);
sorry, the first should read (Luzern - Olten/Lenzburg), thus correct is:

Emmenbr�cke Gersag (Luzern - Olten and Lenzburg) and
L�ngenbold (Luzern - Zug);

ad.. WSB on 15 Dec opened relaid Rainach Unterdorf - Menziken
line, now on old SBB grade instead of street-running and presents
new livery (94, 4 cp)
and here another mistype, correct spelling is "Reinach"

Markus, G�rbetal


Schweizer Eisenbahn-Revue 2/2003

Guerbetaler
 

Schweizer Eisenbahn-Revue 2/2003 has arrived.
Cover scan is in the files:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SwissRail/files/SER_cover/
Besides international news, Swiss topics are
(in alphabetical order, indicating page number and cp for color
photo, p for photo and scpc for small color picture on cover;
text in [brackets] is NOT information from SER):

a.. "Memorandum of understanding" signed by Italian, Swiss,
German and Dutch transport minister or their representatives, aims
at improving North-South rail transports (54)
b.. Basel starts planning for a S-Bahn tunnel Basel SBB - Basel
Bad. Bf. (92, plans)
c.. BLS eagerly awaiting new motive power has to press into
service even historic vehicles. Background is that some clients of
Lokoop didn't want to continue with SBBC after the take-over and
BLS could win additional freight volume. Loan of 2 SBB Ae 6/6
ended mid December. (51, 2 cp)
d.. BLS took over SBB maintenance facility "Depot Bern"
(Aebimatt). SBB special services ("Messtechnik") will find a place
in smaller BLS "Depot Holligen" (52)
e.. BLS/TRN/TMR-NINA description (68, drawings, 16 cp, cover)
f.. DB AG to sell their "Bodensee Schiffsbetriebe GmbH" ship
business to "Stadtwerke Konstanz" (80)
g.. FNM works container trains [with their E 630 01-10 ex CSD]
in open access on the Italian network exchanging in Domodossola
directly with BLS, also in open access (81, cp)
h.. Hupac works in open access with own diesel locomotives D
753.701 and 702 ex CSD on Italian RFI tracks (81, cp)
i.. Lokoop's 18 Ae 477, now owned by SBBC were collected in
Hemishofen, awaiting a possible decision for a sale back to
Germany. The 6 quite new Re 486 sit unused in Basel (54, cp)
j.. Parsennbahn Davos first section funicular rebuilt, now
having a gauge of 1200 instead of 800 mm, hourly capacity is now
2200 passengers (93, cp)
k.. RM motor coaches and driving trailers renumbered [now
grouped according to type instead of ancient ownership EBT, VHB or
SMB] (56)
l.. SBB chose Siemens to install GSM-R all over Switzerland [SBB
will also be provider for private railways as there are not enough
free frequencies for each company to erect their own GSM-R] (50)
m.. SBB criticized by the editor for certain points of their
investment policy (56)
n.. SBB detected problems with Schlieren-bogies of Bpm and other
UIC-Z2 and X coaches, 70 of them set aside to be repaired (50)
o.. SBB meets some problems in their Seetalbahn upgrade project
(57)
p.. SBB opened a distinct Klingnau station, renaming
Döttingen-Klingnau into Döttingen [Baden - Koblenz line] (54)
q.. SBB opened two new stops in the "suburbs" of Luzern:
Emmenbrücke Gersag (Luzern - Zug) and Längenbold (Luzern - Zug); 8
more new stops to come (53, 2 cp)
r.. SBB ordered 21 more IC 2000 bilevel coaches (second class,
non-smoking) and 30 more driving trailers IC Bt, bringing the
total to 90 (50)
s.. SBB Re 460 038 announcing "strate go!" = SBB passenger
division strategy (51, 1 cp)
t.. SBBC Re 482 010-015 delivered for use in Germany only to
replace HGK and Hupac locomotives and because Siemens was not able
to deliver ZUB fast enough. The missing parts will be fitted in
summer (80, cp, scpc 1)
u.. SBB rolling stock mutations (55)
v.. SBB strategic objectives defined by Swiss government
(Bundesrat) (54)
w.. SBB tests 1700 m long trains with 3 locomotives on
freight-only line Koblenz - Laufenburg; it was not unexpected that
more than once couplings broke (90, 2 cp, scpc 3)
x.. SBB to fit new Mattstetten - Rothrist line with conventional
signals to allow opening in Dec 2004 and use of the line before
ETCS level 2 will be ready (expected 2005) (85, drawings)
y.. SBB try to get more out of their real estate, creating the
new label "RailCity" for big passenger stations and their
commercial use (53)
z.. SVB steam tramway locomotive 12 on test run to Worb Dorf
(52, cp)
aa.. Thurbo GTW production on time (51)
ab.. TPC-BVB tramway coach C2 57 back from Blonay-Chamby and in
use together with Be 2/2 9 as nostalgic train (52, cp)
ac.. Winpro (ex SLM) takes over part of Crossarc (ex Swissair ex
Sulzer) (52)
ad.. WSB on 15 Dec opened relaid Rainach Unterdorf - Menziken
line, now on old SBB grade instead of street-running and presents
new livery (94, 4 cp)
Markus, Gürbetal


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Re: Linguistic question

TSCHÖP Erich <erich.tschoep@...>
 

I would propose "Rail Network" as this covers only the infrastructure.
Especially in America "Railway Network" would rather concentrate on the
different Railway Companies working in a specific area.

Erich TSCHÖP


-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Markus [SMTP:guerbetaler@yahoo.fr]
Gesendet am: Sonntag, 26. Jänner 2003 00:34
An: SwissRail
Betreff: [SwissRail] Linguistic question

We had a discussion what would be the more
correct translation of "Schienennetz", meaning
the whole infrastructure for railways in Switzerland.
Is it "Railway Network" or is it rather "Rail Network"?
Or even something else?

Thanks for help

Markus, Gürbetal




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translation

Dan Ainsworth
 

In english, probably the best description would be railway "System", not
"Network".

Although "Rail" and "Railway" are somewhat interchangeable, "Rail" tends
to be more specific to the actual steel rails than the whole
infrastructure.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"if a man speaks and there is no woman present to hear him, is he still
wrong?"


Re: Linguistic question

Tony Bailey <mercurytravel@...>
 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Markus" <guerbetaler@yahoo.fr>

We had a discussion what would be the more
correct translation of "Schienennetz", meaning
the whole infrastructure for railways in Switzerland.
Is it "Railway Network" or is it rather "Rail Network"?
Or even something else?
Markus,

One thought would be that 'infrastructure is an ideal word (such is the
flexibility of English).

Here in NSW the owner is, at the moment, called 'Rail Infrastructure
Corporation' or 'RIC.'

Of course in Britain, the current owner is now 'Network Rail' - which may be
some sort of redundancy, depending on how you look at it! (Which may
probably soon be amended by the cynics to 'Notwork Rail.')


Tony Bailey
Mercury World Travel
Mercury Travel Books
mercurytravel@optusnet.com.au


Linguistic question

Guerbetaler
 

We had a discussion what would be the more
correct translation of "Schienennetz", meaning
the whole infrastructure for railways in Switzerland.
Is it "Railway Network" or is it rather "Rail Network"?
Or even something else?

Thanks for help

Markus, G�rbetal


Re: BVZ/FO Merger?

Stefan Dringenberg <std@...>
 

Markus schrieb am 23 Jan 2003:

Though I would have preferred Matterhorn - Furka - Oberalp,
<AOL>
Me, too!
</AOL>

I just checked, weather the new Matterhorn - Gotthard railway
name was amongst the names I proposed here on 26 Sep 2002.
Yes, it was:
The BVZ has registered four domain names on 17 Sep 2002:

matterhorn-gotthard-bahn.ch
matterhorngotthardbahn.ch
zermatt-oberalp-bahn.ch
zermattoberalpbahn.ch

Some abbreviations of the name have been registered in January (between
9th and 17th):

mag-bahn.ch
magob-bahn.ch
mb-bahn.ch
mgb-bahn.ch
mgbahn.ch

mgb.ch is registered since 1995 by Migros-Genossenschafts-Bund,
Zï¿œrich...

By now it's the third railway with MG as the first intials:

MG
MGB
MGTN

Bye,
Stefan