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Re: Swiss Rail loco cam

Adrian Senn
 

Hi

That is the URL I use to get the lokocam. But when I click on CONTACT I
get shut down.
Now we are going a little bit offtopic.

And you can't upgrade to a newer version?
There is also a version 4.78 available. Or you upgrade to mozilla or
netscape 7.x.

You've got probably a stilesheet problem. This is a normal link!

http://int.myswitzerland.com/en/contact.cfm

Regards Adrian Senn

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Re: Swiss Rail loco cam

bob gillis <rpgillis@...>
 

That is the URL I use to get the lokocam. But when I click on CONTACT I
get shut down.

bob gillis

Jerry Hardy wrote:

Bob,

I replied to your message through the group but it hasn't gone through
so I'll send it direct.

You might try the following link. It will get you straight to the
loco cam.

http://usa.myswitzerland.com/en/loco/lok.cfm


Re: Myswitzerland.com

Jerry Hardy <jlhardy@...>
 

You might try the following link. It will get you straight to the loco cam.

http://usa.myswitzerland.com/en/loco/lok.cfm

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Subject: [SwissRail] Myswitzerland.com


Does anyone have an e-mail address for the webmaaster at
myswitzerland.com or int.myswitzerland.com. Whenever I click on the
Contact button on the loko view my browser Netscape 4.73 shuts down.

bob gillis

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Myswitzerland.com

bob gillis <rpgillis@...>
 

Does anyone have an e-mail address for the webmaaster at
myswitzerland.com or int.myswitzerland.com. Whenever I click on the
Contact button on the loko view my browser Netscape 4.73 shuts down.

bob gillis


Photographing the heavy freights.

Malcolm Hardy-Randall <malcolm.hardyrandall@bluewin.ch> <malcolm.hardyrandall@...>
 

Hi,

I shall be leaving for Switzerland on the 14th for a month, and wish
to photograph the heavy freights that operate through Frick towards
and from Rotkreuz and the Gotthard.

Can anybody please tell me if it is possible to obtain a good
photograph from the station, or do I need to move outside the station
area or, is there a much better place for background content?

Many thanks.

Malcolm


Re: Independent Railways Motive Power

Iain Dodd
 

In a message dated 31/01/03 23:28:17 GMT Standard Time, guerbetaler@yahoo.fr
writes:

<snip>


BTW, RM Re 436 and SBB Re 430 *are* identical

I seam to remember reading somewhere (I cannot remember where) that the SBB
were going to take over the RM Re 436 and incorporate them after any
necessary modifications into class Re 430.

This has obviously not been done. Am I right in my memory and if so why did
it not happen?

Iain Dodd


Re: Independent Railways Motive Power

Guerbetaler
 

IainDodd@aol.com <IainDodd@aol.com> schrieb:
Now this is probably a stupid question but that has never prevented
me asking such questions in the past.
There are no stupid questions but there may be stupid answers
... used to say our teacher ...

I am basically looking at the standard gauge operators that have
acquired brand new motive power from approximately the mid 1990s.

Are the class designations unique to the type of motive power?
NO,
examples:

identical NPZ motor coaches were delivered to
BLS RBDe 566 721 - 566 742
TPF RABDe 537 181 - 537 182
TRN RBDe 567 316 - 567 317
RM RBDe 566 230 - 566 242

A similar model can be found here:
SOB RBDe 566 071-076

An electrically identical but mechanically different type is
TPF RABDe 537 171 - 173
TRN RBDe 567 315

And then you will find the SBB-type NPZ:
SBB RBDe 560 000 - 560 083
SBB RBDe 560 100 - 560 135
SBB RBDe 562 000 - 562 005 (also for 25 kV 50 Hz)
Thurbo RBDe 566 631 - 566 634
SOB RBDe 566 077 - 566 080
TRAVYS RBDe 568 384 - 385

Finally you will find an earlier ("pre-NPZ") design
RM RBDe 566 220 - 566 227

If we take the last vehicle:
56 = RBDe without distinction of type
.. 62 = RM
.... 27 = vhehicle number


In other words
can I assume that the class 456 of the RM are identical
mechanically and
electrically speaking with the class 456 of the SOB and the SZU?
in this case: yes ... but no.... there were two series and they
are not absolutely identical. Then the MU-system differs between
these companies.

I realise that when the computer numbering system was set up and
extended to the independent railway companies it was necessary
to include a lot of different motive power types under one class
number because of the lack of standardisation in the past.
This is not the real problem. But they wanted to bring a code
for ownership into the system and thus only left two digits for the type.
Then, the definition of "type" wasn't very intelligent as they took
the letter-designation of the vehicle, e.g. RBDe to classify.

Taking a three-digit class number, it would have been easy to
distinguish what is different and to show what is identical.

Since the 1960s the variety was strongly reduced.

BTW, RM Re 436 and SBB Re 430 *are* identical

HTH

Markus, G�rbetal


Re: Independent Railways Motive Power

Adrian Senn
 

Hi

Are the class designations unique to the type of motive power? In
other words
can I assume that the class 456 of the RM are identical mechanically and
electrically speaking with the class 456 of the SOB and the SZU?
Yes. All these are the KTU ("Konzessionierte Transport Unternehmungen")
vehicles. They where developed especialy for the private train operators.
With some differences they are the same type as the Re 450. Someone
could probably correct me.

I realise that when the computer numbering system was set up and
extended to
the independent railway companies it was necessary to include a lot of
different motive power types under one class number because of
the lack of
standardisation in the past.
The type 456 was before the Re 4/4 without subnumber.

Here are the tecnical date. All of these are from a booklet from
transpress. The author is Karlheinz Hartung and the booklet is
named "Kleine Typenkunde Schweizer Triebfahrzeuge"

Owner: BT
Serie: Re 4/4
Number: 91-96
Year: 1987
Lenght: 16600
t: 69
km/h: 130
KW: 3200
Prod.: SLM/BBC

Owner: SZU
Serie: Re 4/4 / Re 456
Number: 46+47 / 546+547
Year: 1987
Lenght: 16600
t: 69
km/h: 130
KW: 3200
Prod.: SLM/BBC

Owner: SZU
Serie: Re 456
Number: 542-545
Year: 1993
Lenght: 16600
t: 69
km/h: 130
KW: 3200
Prod.: SLM/ABB

Owner: EBT/VHB (now RM)
Serie: Re 456
Number: 142+143
Year: 1993
Lenght: 16600
t: 69
km/h: 130
KW: 3200
Prod.: SLM/ABB

I hope i could give enough information. Im not so good in translation.

Regards Adrian Senn

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Re: Matterhorn Gotthard Bahn

Guerbetaler
 

chernex@btinternet.com <chernex@btinternet.com> schrieb:
Can we get the name correct - Matterhorn Gotthard Bahn - as stated
in the official news release and Stefan's first posting on the subject.
I didn't notice yet. Interesting thing, but bad German. I now found
out that FO wrote itself also without hyphens recently. But in the
Swiss register of commerce it is registered like this:

Furka-Oberalp-Bahn (Chemin de fer Furka-Oberalp)

... and interestingly, now shows up:

Matterhorn Gotthard Bahn-Tours AG
mutation:
Furka-Oberalp-Tours AG, in Brig-Glis, Aktiengesellschaft
(SHAB Nr. 116 vom 19. 06. 2002, S. 16). Statuten�nderung:
17. 01. 2003. Firma neu: Matterhorn Gotthard Bahn-Tours AG.

So we have to accept that the register accepted this
"un-German" way of writing the name.

English speaking members shall be informed that
German uses (or needs) much more hyphens than
English. Railway names in German never have the
otherwise very common "&" but mostly work with
hyphens.

...

The main companies FO and BVZ seem to remain under
it's old incorporation untill autumn.

Also BVZ/FO-Management AG ist still registered under this name.

For those interested: http://zefix.admin.ch/

Markus, G�rbetal


Independent Railways Motive Power

Iain Dodd
 

Now this is probably a stupid question but that has never prevented me asking
such questions in the past.

I am basically looking at the standard gauge operators that have acquired
brand new motive power from approximately the mid 1990s.

Are the class designations unique to the type of motive power? In other words
can I assume that the class 456 of the RM are identical mechanically and
electrically speaking with the class 456 of the SOB and the SZU?

I realise that when the computer numbering system was set up and extended to
the independent railway companies it was necessary to include a lot of
different motive power types under one class number because of the lack of
standardisation in the past.

Iain Dodd


Matterhorn Gotthard Bahn

brianhemming <chernex@btinternet.com> <chernex@...>
 

Can we get the name correct - Matterhorn Gotthard Bahn - as stated in
the official news release and Stefan's first posting on the subject.
In recent postings a hyphen has crept in between Matterhorn and
Gotthard and Gotthard has been spelt incorrectly.

A small niggle - hope it doesn't offend

Regards
Brian


Re: Digest Number 497

Manfred Luckmann
 

Hi,

"Markus " wrote:
"Kempkens, Klaus" <Klaus.Kempkens@a...> wrote:
Sounds very interesting: Meter gauge car loaded on a standard
gauge car (I only know the other way round). Anyone having
photos of this, and can put them onto the files section ?
No, but BVZ - now MGB - has a photo on it's homepage:

http://www.bvz.ch/zermatt/g_gueterverkehr4_d.html
...

These is (was ?) also a model of this car available from FriHo
in Lenk (H0, based on a Fleischmann model).


Manfred


Re: Digest Number 497

Guerbetaler
 

"Kempkens, Klaus" <Klaus.Kempkens@a...> wrote:

Sounds very interesting: Meter gauge car loaded on a standard
gauge car (I only know the other way round). Anyone having
photos of this, and can put them onto the files section ?
No, but BVZ - now MGB - has a photo on it's homepage:

http://www.bvz.ch/zermatt/g_gueterverkehr4_d.html

It is an ancient piggy-back wagon, bought by BVZ and with a
meter gauge track laid in. It can only be loaded/unloaded
from one side, thus use is restricted to Visp area.

The transporter wagons of SBB which are used for delivery and
transfer of meter gauge rolling stock had initially also
been intended for such a use: narrow gauge wagons should be
transferred between Brünig-line and MOB (Interlaken - Zweisimmen)
in cases where other connections were unavailable (WW II).

AFAIK there was nothing more than some tests but still these
vehicles proove to be very useful for other things...

Markus, Gürbetal


Re: Digest Number 497

Kempkens, Klaus <Klaus.Kempkens@...>
 

Sounds very interesting: Meter gauge car loaded on a standard gauge car (I
only know the other way round). Anyone having photos of this, and can put
them onto the files section ?

Klaus Kempkens

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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 23:36:36 +0100
From: "Markus" <guerbetaler@yahoo.fr>
Subject: Re: Freight on Matterhorn-Gothard Bahn and on the RhB.

Krist van Besien <krist@vanbesien.org> schrieb:
- A significant amount of freigth is transported between Visp and
Zermatt. I got the impression that almost everything is
transshipped in Visp. Although
some metre gauge cars are aparently transported on standard gauge
transporters on the SBB network. Does someone know how far these
travel?
To the other side of Visp station where some industrial
sidings are located
(bere, mineral water and the like)


Re: Schweizer Eisenbahn-Revue 2/2003

Guerbetaler
 

Tim Hall <kalyr@clara.co.uk> schrieb:
Markus wrote:

Re 456: just 2 locomotives 142-143
They have 456s? What traffic to they use those on?
They are now leased by SOB, who has another 6 in use.

Originally they were used for freight traffic on the RM network.
This traffic is now going with SBBC locomotives and some
with the Re 4/4 III or Re 436 111-115 as they are called now.


http://mercurio.iet.unipi.it/pix/ch/private/RM/pix.html
two pics of Re 456 at the end of page,
the rest is mostly Re 436

Markus, G�rbetal


Re: Schweizer Eisenbahn-Revue 2/2003

Tim Hall <kalyr@...>
 

Markus wrote:

Re 456: just 2 locomotives 142-143
They have 456s? What traffic to they use those on?
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Re: Schweizer Eisenbahn-Revue 2/2003

Guerbetaler
 

IainDodd@aol.com <IainDodd@aol.com> schrieb:
k.. RM motor coaches and driving trailers renumbered [now
grouped according to type instead of ancient ownership EBT,
VHB or SMB] (56)
Does the same apply to locomotives or will that be done in the
future?
Re 4/4 III 111-113, 141 and 181 had already been renumbered when
repainted shortly after merger, they are now 111-115.

Shunters: no renumbering

Re 456: just 2 locomotives 142-143

Be 4/4: only two left, as museum vehicles, unlikely to be renumbered
(or would SMB 171 get back it's initial number 107?)

Markus, G�rbetal


Re: Schweizer Eisenbahn-Revue 2/2003

Guerbetaler
 

IainDodd@aol.com <IainDodd@aol.com> schrieb:
k.. RM motor coaches and driving trailers renumbered [now
grouped according to type instead of ancient ownership EBT, VHB or
SMB] (56)
Slightly ambiguous wording.

Does this mean that a renumbering scheme is under way or does it
mean that as computer numbers have been allocated which contain
a 'class' number coupled to the original running number this
effectively means that they have been grouped according to type?
No, the class number is the same for the different types. That's the
problem with our "class numbers".

Now the individual vehicle numbers have been regrouped. E.g.

RBDe 4/4 I 221-226, 261, 281 that were later
RBDe 566 221...281 are now
RBDe 566 220-227

NPZ got the numbers
RBDe 566 230-242

Driving trailers have the same two digits at the end (save check digit), eg.
ABt 50 38 39-33 930-X through 942-X

now clear?

Markus, G�rbetal


Re: Freight on Matterhorn-Gothard Bahn and on the RhB.

Guerbetaler
 

davidee@xs4all.nl <davidee@xs4all.nl> schrieb:
- There is freight on the RhB. Is there any freight between MGB
and RhB?
probably not but would be possible
Doesn't the freight towards / from Sedrun originate on the RhB
network? I thought I saw some RhB cars there
of course. All freight to Sedrun comes from Landquart.

What I meant: there is - AFAIK - no or hardly any exchange
over the Oberalp.

Markus, G�rbetal


Re: Schweizer Eisenbahn-Revue 2/2003

Iain Dodd
 

In a message dated 29/01/03 21:17:14 GMT Standard Time, guerbetaler@yahoo.fr
writes:


IainDodd@aol.com <IainDodd@aol.com> schrieb:
k.. RM motor coaches and driving trailers renumbered [now
grouped according to type instead of ancient ownership EBT, VHB or
SMB] (56)
Slightly ambiguous wording.

Does this mean that a renumbering scheme is under way or does it
mean that as computer numbers have been allocated which contain
a 'class' number coupled to the original running number this
effectively means that they have been grouped according to type?
No, the class number is the same for the different types. That's the
problem with our "class numbers".

Now the individual vehicle numbers have been regrouped. E.g.

RBDe 4/4 I 221-226, 261, 281 that were later
RBDe 566 221...281 are now
RBDe 566 220-227

NPZ got the numbers
RBDe 566 230-242

Driving trailers have the same two digits at the end (save check digit),
eg.
ABt 50 38 39-33 930-X through 942-X

now clear?

Markus, Gürbetal


I think so.

Does the same apply to locomotives or will that be done in the future?

Iain Dodd


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