Date   

Re: Braunwald-Linthal Funicular Query

Don
 

Gentlemen my thanks for your detailed replies. I will give the ride a try next week as it is on the 'to do' list.

Cheers,

Don

--- In SwissRail@..., Guerbetaler <muesche2-swissrail@...> wrote:

Am 12.06.2012 14:54, schrieb Gordon Wiseman:
Markus may correct me on the detail here, but Braunwald is free on
the Swiss pass, because, I always understood that it had the status
of a 'town' and thus isone of a few such communes that are
considered to be 'equivalent' to a 'normal' town and thus need to be
part of the 'national network'. but up a hillside it never got a
surface railway.

I was always led to believe this was the case, and that similar
places in the same category include Caux and Crans Montana.

I have always assumed Grindelwald, Wengen and Murren to be in the
same category and thus free, whereas moutain railways going higher up
beyond these places are not free.
Gordon is absolutely correct in what he says and this fully applies for
the Generalabonnement (GA) and the day passes (which can be used
together with a SwissCard) with the same validity. Unfortunately the
SwissPass doesn't have exactly the same validity but in the cases of
Braunwald, Wengen, Mürren, Caux and Crans-Montana the SwissPass is
valid. The odd cases (selection of) are:
FUNIC Biel/Bienne - Evilard: GA yes, SwissPass no
FUNIC Biel/Bienne - Magglingen: GA yes, SwissPass yes
BAB Betten Talstation - Bettmeralp: GA yes, SwissPass no

Sorry, no, I can't explain these oddities...

Markus, Gürbetal


Re: Weil Am Rhein obsevations 06Jun12

pj24davis
 

Thanks, glad to know it's of use.

I normally spend my time at the south (Basel) end of island P8/9 as I find this gives the best chance of photos/video in both directions.

Obviously strong sun at certain times means this may not be best but in general it's the best all-round option.

If it rains heavily you can stand under the wide over-bridge and get quite dramatic shots (if you're willing/able to use high iso).

I've taken the occasional shot from the overbridge but find too many wires and poles get in the way for most traffic.

(Afraid I know nothing of Schaffhausen etc but would love to know the answer as my wife is interested in returning to the area!)

Paul D


Re: SBB Cargo Ae 6/6s at work 2008 to date

Don
 

Bob and anyone else who has had a browse so far,

Sorry for my original 'gaff' with the link.
The link below does work and if you run the sl
ideshow option on full screen you will be taken through the complete set.

If you require detail beyond that click on the individual image thumbnail and you will get the caption detail below the enlarged image, the date taken, where taken and the more detailed map location will be to the right of the image on the screen. If you click on the camera link 'Nikon' in this description area you should also be able to view the time taken, so you can get an absolute 'fix' on the where and when info. If I get any further info on gaps in a caption deatil I do try and update the information, so regular followers of my site can pick up on the info. for personal use.

I hope to add to this portfolio before the Ae 6/6 machines are all switched off and yes, the clock is ticking. That said, there are 100 images in the set so far and I think 45 individual examples are illustrated going about their day to day work. I for one will miss them but delighted I have had the good fortune to be able to gather this collection of images that by sharing can be enjoyed by others.

Hope the above is of help and thanks to anyone who has taken the time to provide feedback?

Cheers all,

Don

--- In SwissRail@..., bob gillis <robertgillis@...> wrote:
On 6/9/2012 2:43 AM, Don wrote:
The link provided may not work, so try this one:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/lickeybanker/sets/72157630078497932/
Nice pictures; any places or dates?
bob gillis


Re: Weil Am Rhein obsevations 06Jun12

Andrew Moglestue
 

I don't have statistics but guess Muttenz is by far the most important. Remember it's not just the flows into Germany you see here but also flows into France.
 
However there are also freights going via Schaffhausen. Quite a lot of tanker cars in my observation.
 
There are also some DB freights that actually cut across Switzerland although both end points are in Germany, This is due to there not being any electrified East-West route in the south of Germany. I'm not sure of the routing but I guess they do Konstanz - Sankt Margrethen (or possibly even Feldkirch).
 
I believe Waldshut doesn't see any cross-border freight, and hasn't for a long time.
 
Andrew


Re: Weil Am Rhein obsevations 06Jun12

bs177@...
 

--- In SwissRail@..., "ch1ltern100" <swindon7037@...> wrote:

Although Weil Am Rhein is outside Switzerland it is just a few hundred yards/metres away, and there is much Swiss traffic.

Weil Am Rhein 06.06.12
Thank you for that report. I am hoping to visit friends in Pforzheim in the Autumn and travel via TGV est and Strasbourg then a lander ticket, then a few days in Basel before returning via Strasbourg again on a lander ticket.

Did you spend your time on the station or the overbridge (or somehwere else?).

Does anyone know if there are significant freight flows into Germany further east via Schaffhausen, Konstanz or anywhere else or does the majority of freight go via Muttenz?

Cheers

Bruce


Re Gotthard Route Update

Andrew
 

Many Thanks to everybody who has been kind enough to provide the latest news on situation at Gurtnellen.

Any further news would be much appreciated.

Andy Muff


Re: Gotthard Route

csipromo
 

www.20min.ch reports that dynamiting work will occur on Monday and that if the rock face is secure, work to repair the rail line can begin shortly thereafter. Full story here (in German):

http://www.20min.ch/schweiz/zentralschweiz/story/Am-Montag-wird-am-Gotthard-gesprengt-21076956

Regards

Mike C


Re: SBB Cargo Ae 6/6s at work 2008 to date revised

bob gillis <robertgillis@...>
 

On 6/9/2012 2:43 AM, Don wrote:
snip


--- In SwissRail@..., "Don" <dongatehouse@...> wrote:

For the entertainment of devotees of the Ae 6/6 locomotives, I have compiled a set of images covering a selection of activities over the last 4 years and this portfolio can be viewed via the link:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/organize/?start_tab=one_set72157630078497932

The above link just takes me to an organize page; no pictures

bob gillis


Re: Killwangen-Spreitenbach observations

George Raymond
 

For those who may not have seen them, in 2001 I created a couple of graphics
showing passenger operations on this section. The basic pattern of operation
is the same today.

Here is a static diagram of the flyover between Killwangen-Spreitenbach and
Dietikon:

http://www.railweb.ch/funnel/imag_pgs/fly_map/map.htm

This is a simple animation showing the pattern of trains over the flyover
and through Killwangen-Spreitenbach:

http://www.railweb.ch/funnel/imag_pgs/killw_fly/killw_fly.htm

George


Re: SBB Cargo Ae 6/6s at work 2008 to date

bob gillis <robertgillis@...>
 

On 6/9/2012 2:43 AM, Don wrote:
The link provided may not work, so try this one:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/lickeybanker/sets/72157630078497932/
Nice pictures; any places or dates?

Don

--- In SwissRail@..., "Don" <dongatehouse@...> wrote:

For the entertainment of devotees of the Ae 6/6 locomotives, I have compiled a set of images covering a selection of activities over the last 4 years and this portfolio can be viewed via the link:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/organize/?start_tab=one_set72157630078497932

The above link just takes me to an organize page; no pictures

bob gillis


Re: Gotthard Route

Javier Pena
 

Hi Andy,

Yesterday, I took the substitute bus between Göschenen and Flüelen and from
the road you could clearly see all the rocks still as the first day.

I can't tell if any changes have taken place today as I'm already back in
the UK.

Regards,
Javier


Re: Braunwald-Linthal Funicular Query

OL.Guerbetal
 

Am 12.06.2012 14:54, schrieb Gordon Wiseman:
Markus may correct me on the detail here, but Braunwald is free on
the Swiss pass, because, I always understood that it had the status
of a 'town' and thus isone of a few such communes that are
considered to be 'equivalent' to a 'normal' town and thus need to be
part of the 'national network'. but up a hillside it never got a
surface railway.

I was always led to believe this was the case, and that similar
places in the same category include Caux and Crans Montana.

I have always assumed Grindelwald, Wengen and Murren to be in the
same category and thus free, whereas moutain railways going higher up
beyond these places are not free.
Gordon is absolutely correct in what he says and this fully applies for the Generalabonnement (GA) and the day passes (which can be used together with a SwissCard) with the same validity. Unfortunately the SwissPass doesn't have exactly the same validity but in the cases of Braunwald, Wengen, Mürren, Caux and Crans-Montana the SwissPass is valid. The odd cases (selection of) are:
FUNIC Biel/Bienne - Evilard: GA yes, SwissPass no
FUNIC Biel/Bienne - Magglingen: GA yes, SwissPass yes
BAB Betten Talstation - Bettmeralp: GA yes, SwissPass no

Sorry, no, I can't explain these oddities...

Markus, Gürbetal


Re: Gotthard Route

OL.Guerbetal
 

Am 12.06.2012 18:42, schrieb Andrew:
Can anybody supply any information on the progress to clear the rocks
which were left in a dangerous position after the lanslide near
Gurtnellen last week.
On Saturday the body of the 29 year old worker could be rescued with a remote controlled bulldozer. Now the next steps are prepared:

Paul at The Frohsinn informed me last week that they were planning to
blast the rocks that had been left in a dangerous state today
(Tuesday).
It was announced that blasting should take place this week, but no exact date was communicated.

Does anybody know whether this work has been carried out, and what if
any progress has been made in respect of repairing the
infrastructure.
Only after blasting the rocks it will be possible to enter the ground again. It will then be a question of the volume of rock on the track, how fast it will be re-established.

Meanwhile the Simplon is fed with freight trains to its absolute capacity. No additional passenger trains have been allowed and two car shuttles Brig - Iselle set off.

Markus, G�rbetal


Re: Gotthard Route

Andrew Moglestue
 

No idea, but remember there's more to it than just clearing the debris.
The slopes above will have to be thoroughly inspected to be sure no further rocks will come down, and if need be measures wil be taken to remove or secure dubious bits.
Then the tracks will have to repaired as will power and signallimg cables and it will all have to be tested.
 
Andrew


Re: Gotthard Route

csipromo
 


Re: Gotthard Route

csipromo
 

Last information that I had heard was that the body of the missing worker had been located and that they could now turn from recovery to construction.

Information is available via www.20min.ch, www.blick.ch or www.sf.tv (Videoportal/Sendung Verpasst/Tagesschau (or 10 vor 10). The reports are available for each day since the incident (in Swiss German). You can rapidly detect whether there are any stories about the incident by looking at the photo attached to each report.

Regards

Mike C


Weil Am Rhein obsevations 06Jun12

pj24davis
 

Although Weil Am Rhein is outside Switzerland it is just a few hundred yards/metres away, and there is much Swiss traffic.

Weil Am Rhein 06.06.12

Includes loco-hauled but excludes units, ICE's, Track Machines and shunters (except where shunting locos hauled trains on the main line)

SYNY = South Yard to North Yard and vv
C = round the 180 degree circle to the north of station
NYM = from North Yard and onto main at south of station

Note: On previous visits, BLS rolling roads passed to the east of station pointing north, and around the 180 degree circle at north end. This time, loaded Hupacs did the same, but loaded Ralpins headed north from north yard, around the circle clockwise, and passed to the east of station heading south. Not sure if this is a permanent change?

15:43 S 185.220 VTG Tanks
15:46 S 185.518 TXLogistik Mostly tanktainers
15:47/51 CS BLS 485.010 Ralpin Rolling Road
15:50 N DB 185.122 Intermodal
16:02) SYNY BLS 425.182+189+183 LE Convoy
16:02) N DB 146.116 Stopper to Offenburg
16:09) N 185.577 Intermodal
16:09) S DB 146.231 Stopper to Basel
16:11 NYSY BLS 425 trio Intermodal
16:12 S Railion 185.270 Long Mixed
16:20 S SBB 482.001 Mostly VTG tanks
16:21 = 189.938/ES64F4038 From N Yard, onto Main, reverse and cross tracks
16:30 S DB 111.054 Stopper to Basel Bad
16:31 N DB 111.060 Stopper to Offenburg
16:40 NC BLS 485.004 Hupac Rolling Road
16:45 NYM DB 185.111+113 LE from N yard onto main & head south
16:48 NYSY Railion 185.220 LE
16:49 NYSY BLS 485.002 Intermodal
16:51) N DB 146.231 Stopper to Offenburg
16:51) S Crossrail 185.591 Intermodal
17:05 S DB 146.115 Stopper to Basel
17:10) NC Wiebe 211.045 Flat wagons
17:10) S SBB 482.020 Loaded Cars
17:14 SYNY BLS 465.009 LE
17:17 CS BLS 485.014 Ralpin Rolling Road
17:21 SYNY DB 185.088 LE
17:24 S DB 111.048 Stopper to Basel Bad
17:30 N DB 111.054 Stopper to Offenburg
17:50) N TX Logistik 185.518 LE
17:50) NYSY BLS 465.009 Intermodal (parallel tracks)
17:50) NYSY Wiebe 211.045 Flat wagons (parallel tracks)
17:51 NYSY DB 152.109 LE
17:55 N DB 146.115 Stopper to Offenburg
18:00 N Unbranded 145.014 Intermodal
18:05 S DB 146.111 Stopper to Basel
18:07 N Railion 185.270 Long rake 4w Vans
18:09 NYM DB 185.008 4w Vans
18:16 NPS DB 185.113+111 Bogie Box Wagons
18:20) N Crossrail 185.602 Intermodal
18:20) NC DB 294.uid 5 loaded timber
18:26 SYNY uid HGK Traxx VTG Tanks
18:29 S DB 111.061 Stopper to Basel Bad
18:30 N DB 111.048 Stopper to Offenburg
18:35 SYNY Wiebe 211.045 Flat wagons
18:37 N DB 101.098 CNL472/D50472 Sleeper to Copenhagen/Moscow
18:38 S DB 185.060 Long Mixed


Killwangen-Spreitenbach observations

pj24davis
 

Killwangen-Spreitenbach – somewhere that's been on my to-do list.

Monday 04June:

(R = up/down the ramp to yard Y = on level to/from yard)

(11:34 ER 11231+11242 fuel tankers
(11:34 WY 11604 fuel tankers

I had thought there were no shopping centres nearby but much to my pleasure (and that of the Head of Household) there's a double einkaufzentrum a couple of miles away with Shoppi Jolli one side of the road and Shoppi Tivoli the other, connected by a walkway. This meant I got a 1 hour pass to go back to the station whilst she checked out the facilities!

(Includes Re4/4 on passenger but no units or 460's)
12:19 W 11218 + LHCS passing
12:21 E 11280 + loose mail
12:26 ER 11366 + mostly 4w Cargowaggons + some other 4w wagons
12:35 E 11207 + single-deck push-pull set passing
12:45 ER 11257+420.276 Mixed – but mostly steel wire/rods
12:47 E 11157 + LHCS passing
12:51 ER 11659 (Green Re 6/6) Verymixed goods and many engineers wagons
12:53 W 11255 + containerised mail
12:57 W 11648 L/E
12:59 W 11607 L/E
13:02 ER 11502 (Green Ae6/6) Mixed but mostly cements
13:05 ER 11260 long rake of flats with steel wire/rods
13:07 ER 11485 (Red Ae6/6) Mixed load

With the forecast for the week not good at all we decided to make another visit to Killwangen-Spreitenbach Monday 11June.

From the footbridge near Shoppi Tivoli:
Adtranz 18525 shunting.
12:20 Arrival from north red 11253 + green Re4/4 11309 with a mixed – locos detach quickly
12:21 passing northwards uid green Re4/4 + LHCS

With the weather looking decidedly poor I moved to the station. As I was getting out of car SBB Cargo Ae6/6 610.519 was heading up the ramp with engineers+mixed

From platform 6:
12:49 E Re4/4 11141+LHCS
12:50/56 E Re4/4 11171 + Track Machine (pathing stop)
12:51 W Re6/6 11606 LE
12:52 W Re4/4 11280 + 2 Containerised Post wagons
12:55) W Re4/4 11258 + 4 x 4w Cargo wagons
12:55) ER Green Ae 6/6 + Mixed
12:59 ER Re4/4 11238 Mixed – mostly cement
13:03 ER 11262+11242 Cements + Timber
13:11 W 11164 (11184?) + LHCS
13:13 E 11218 + LHCS
13:20 W 11159 + just 4 coaches LHCS
13:21 ER SBB Cargo Re4/4 420.186 LE
13:26 W 11131 propelling `semi fast' LHCS
13:40 W 11109 (`Inter City livery') + LHCS
13:45/53 W Green Ae 6/6 11517 LE (pathing stop)
13:48) W 11229 + LHCS
13:48) E 11191 + LHCS
13:52 W 11293 + Containerised Mail
13:56 W Green Re4/4 11364 LE
13:59 ER Re 10/10 11673+11343 Mixed
14:01 E 11255 + Containerised Mail
14:06 E Red Ae 6/6 11424 + small crane + I assume a couple of match/barrier wagons
14:10 W 11212 + LHCS
14:23 W Re 4/4 11217 LE


Gotthard Route

Andrew
 

Can anybody supply any information on the progress to clear the rocks which were left in a dangerous position after the lanslide near Gurtnellen last week.

Paul at The Frohsinn informed me last week that they were planning to blast the rocks that had been left in a dangerous state today (Tuesday).

Does anybody know whether this work has been carried out, and what if any progress has been made in respect of repairing the infrastructure.

Thanks in advance

Andy Muff


Re: Today's Railways: Jungfraubahn

Gavin Bennett
 

A late contribution to this thread but having done the Kleine Sheidegg to
Jungfraujoch a couple of times, I prefer to stay at Kleine Sheidegg and
watch all the activity. The last few times, I have taken the cable car to
Maennlichen and then walked to Kleine Sheidegg.

Gavin

11721 - 11740 of 29540