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Olten

George Raymond
 

On this warm and sunny evening, on my way from Bern back home to Basel I
decided to travel from Olten to Sissach via the bucolic, single-track
Läufelfingen line. The new two-carriage Flirt trainset lets you look out the
front.

During my 30 minutes in Olten I noticed what seemed to be a lot of freight
trains, some of which were presumably re-routes from the blocked Gotthard to
the Lötschberg route.

George


Re: Zurich to Milan via Brig extra train

Martin Baumann <martinbaumann112@...>
 

Tickets via the Gotthard route will be valid on these trains


Zurich to Milan via Brig extra train

Martin Baumann <martinbaumann112@...>
 

The following trains will run until the Gotthard line reopens:
 
0841 Zurich-Milano 1318 (1255 from 19.06)
 
1605 Milano-Zurich 2115 (2034 on Sunday only)
 
The train will be formed of refurbished SBB EC coaches ( 10-90 and 20-90 series) and be 460 hauled as far as Domodossola
 
Route will be via the Olten-Bern new line (NBS) Bern avoding line and Lotschberg base tunnel


Re: Gotthard Route

Javier Pena
 

Good evening,

SBB is starting tomorrow a new direct service between Zürich HB and Milano
Centrale via Lötschberg-Simplon until the Gotthard route reopens again:

In German:
http://www.sbb.ch/fahrplan/bahnverkehrsinformation/zusatzzuege/extrazug-nach-mailand.html
In Italian: http://www.ferrovie.it/ferrovie.vis/timdettvp.php?id=5602

Regards,
Javier


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Third LION set in service

Martin Baumann <martinbaumann112@...>
 

The following trains are now worked by this set (formerly RBe 540 diagram 211)
 
0631 Schaffhausen-Altstetten  0731 (19120)
1700 Hardbrucke-Schaffhausen  1759 (19167)


Final Weil Am Rhein session this holiday

pj24davis
 

Friday 15June 2012

With today being the last day of the main part of the holiday I tried to get a couple of seesions in here. The sun was very bright this morning which meant I had to go on P7 – this is good in the mornings for anything southbound on P8 but in 2 hours I got nothing. (Northbound there isn't really a shot as in this light the front of train is in darkness and in any case you don't get much warning due to the structures).

10:20 S SBB Cargo 482.025 + 482.017 LE
10:25 NYSY BLS 465.011 + Hangartner trailers
10:50 NYM DB 185.105 LE
10:52 N 146.116 propelling stopper
11:05 NNY DB 185.148 LE
11:09 S 146.111 + stopper
11:11) NC BLS 485.016 + loaded Ralpin
11:11) = BLS brownie 185 from South Yard to hump and reverse to south yard
11:25 N uid loco + mostly Ewals containers pathing stop (view block by other trains)
11:32 N HUSA 189.996/ES64 F4 096 mostly GTS containers
11:34 = BLS 485.016 detach, south to hump, reverse and to north end
11:51 S= DB 185.138 + mixed enter N yard from north and park
11:52/54 NYM Railion 145.015 LE and off to south via Main line
11:52 N DB 146.111 pushing stopper
12:06 N SBB 482.025 + containers, flats, tanktainers, lorry trailers
12:10 = DB 185.138 detach, to hump, reverse, and to north end
12:14 S 146.231 + stopper

A disappointing morning in the heat…. Time for a break…..

When I got back at nearly 3pm, ESF4 64 088/189.988 was on a long rake of vans in P5 road but with pan down and blinds drawn on loco. A long pathing stop?
14:54 N 146.uid pushing stopper
14:59/15:15 N Unbranded 185.577 mostly Ewals on passing roads
15:01 CS BLS 485.018 + Ralpin lorry train
15:07 S 146.116 + stopper
15:14/20 S Crossrail 185.580 + Ewals pathing stop
15:17 S Crossrail 185.601 Intermodal
15:31 N Railion 145.015 Intermodal
15:37 N Railion 185.294 + covered hoppers
15:38/40 NYM DB 185.107 LE
15:39 S DB 101.097 + SBB coaching stock
15:49) N DB 185.102 + empty cartics and mixed
15:49) S Railion 185.211 Mixed
15:52 N 146.116 pushing stopper
16:05 NC BLS 485.007 Loaded Fiat van cabs and back axles (ie no bodies!)
16:06 S 146.111 stopper
16:10 NC Wiebe 211.045 LE (and eventually via hump to south yard)
16:13 S SBB 482.027 Tanks
16:21 S ES64 F4 088 on long rake of vans finally departed
16:30 S DB 111.048 + stopper
16:32) S DB 111.062 pushing stopper
16:32) SYNY BLS brownie 173 had arrived a few mins earlier in south yard with tanks. It moved via the hump as the 111 came in.

A much better session this afternoon!


Re: Today's Railways: Jungfraubahn

jtatum43
 

--- In SwissRail@yahoogroups.com, Gordon Wiseman <gordonwis@...> wrote:
<snip>
I have another nice Cecil J Allen book - Switzerland: It's railways
and cableways, published circa 1967
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Switzerlands-amazing-railways-Cecil-Allen/dp/B0000CINLP
This was published in an enlarged/revised edition in 1972 with the
title, "Swiss Travel Wonderland" - an excellent book.
For current titles, "Switzerland Without a Car" by Anthony Lambert
(Bradt Travel Guides, 2009) is a terrific guidebook.
Jim Tatum.


Re: Today's Railways: Jungfraubahn

gordonwis
 

From: Guerbetaler
Also Schynige Platte Bahn (part of BOB) with its vintage electric
locomotives gladly takes more passengers. However, at the moment
they are in a far better shape than the BRB.
The Schynigge Platte railway is a must for enthusiasts, with its ancient locomotives and coaches. In settled weather one option is to walk down from the summit to Breitlauenen station on the official Wanderweg, taking as long as you like, and getting lineside pictures of the railway as you go.  

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Re: Today's Railways: Jungfraubahn

gordonwis
 

Some years ago I stayed at a holiday chalet in Zweilutschinen, literally 30 seconds from the Interlaken-bound platform on the BOB but very quiet (apart from the adjacent level crossing – but that was all part fo the fun).
 
Sadly I don’t think it is available any more. Nearby there is Gundlishwand which seems to have a few rental properties but is a further away from Zweilutschinen station. An alternative would be Wilderswil which is more villagey than Interlaken.

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Re: Today's Railways: Jungfraubahn

jethro_lenny
 

--- In SwissRail@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Nicholson" <pn1@...> wrote:

The article in theJune 2012 issue has really whetted my appetite to "do" the lines out of Interlaken, hopefully in 2013.

On previous visits (1974 and 1989), I "did" the BLS into Interlaken and the Brunig line. In 1989, I went to Lautebrunnen and Murren but the other lines still await my attention.

Would September be a good time to visit the area? In June 1989, we were fogged in at Murren and had to abandon our plans to do the cableway.

What is a good base for the lines? My thought would be Interlaken but would prefer a smaller village atmosphere.

In 1989, I stayed for a week in a chalet at Kandersteg and it was wonderful.

Thanks in advance for any tips.

Paul in Australia
Because my son was working in the area, I stayed at Gimmelwald in 2004 towards the end of the winter season. This village is the cable car stop before Murren and on the way to the Schilthorn. Life was governed by the time the cable car ran but it was absolulty brilliant. You could ride the car car down to Stchelberg and then bus to Lauterbrunnen. Alternatively you could cable car up to Murren walk through Murren and take the BLM to Grutschalp. At that time the funicular still ran down to Laterbrunnen but was replaced by a cable car in 2006. This trip was absolutely brilliant as every day was basically a train trip. The other side of the valley is Wengen and that would also be ideal for a base. We did a trip to Jungfrau and from memory if you have Swiss rail pass it was discounted and cost about 100SF. On the trip to Jungfrau there were a number of tourists who had came from interlaken and they had a long day.The advantage of staying in the Lauterbrunnen/Wengen area would is that it reduces your travel time in that area. I used a book Switzerland by Rail by Anthony Lambert which I think that I got from the ARHS as a really good guide. Other trips such as Interlaken to Luzern to see the Swiss Transport museum (Verkehrshaus) are also possible particularly if you overnight in Luzern.

Regards
Geoff L


Re: Final Killwangen visit 14Jun12

gordonwis
 

When reporting on Killwangen Spreitenbach in recent years (I've made 3 or 4 visits there in the last 4 years) I now use the official track numbers from this trackplan:
  http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/de/3/37/Gleisplan-KLW.jpg
As you can see the 'ramp' tracks are roads 7 and 8.
 
eg my December 2011 trip:
 
http://gwizz.zenfolio.com/p814461226
 
 
 


________________________________
From: ch1ltern100 <swindon7037@btinternet.com>
To: SwissRail@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, 14 June 2012, 21:23
Subject: [SwissRail] Final Killwangen visit 14Jun12


 
Thursday 14June 2012 and a final trip to Kilwangen-Spreitenbach

E = to/from yard via ramp
Y = from yard on flat
Excludes units and 460's

14:34 E 11172 + single deck push pull set
14:41 E 11139 + LHCS
14:42/49 W Re6/6 620.060 LE pathing stop
14:48 W 923.001 LE on test?
14:57 ER Tm232.216 propelling 1 tank + 2 open wagons
15:03 ER Swiss Rail Traffic 416.628 + 2 new (or overhauled?) hoppers
15:05 ER Green Ae6/6 11465 +long mixed
15:05 ER Re 4/4's 11281+11248 + mixed
15:10 W BLS485.015+HGK uid Traxx long rake of bogie tanks (number 2057 on lower cab sides)
15:12) ER Green Ae 6/6 11473 + Mixed
15:12) W 11272 + LHCS
15:13 W DB 185.088 + long rake of vans
15:15) WY Green Re4/4 11309 + Mixed
15:15) W Red Ae6/6 11512 + Green 11501 LE
15:25) E 2 x uid Re4/4 + vans
15:25/35 WY Swiss Rail Traffic 416.628 + 2 new (or overhauled?) hoppers (Pathing stop)
Given this turned round in 20mins it looked like some kind of crew training run
15:31) W 11260 + loaded cars
15:31) ER 2 x uid Re4/4 + Mixed
15:35 ER Green Ae6/6 11438 + engineers + mixed
15:43 E 11196 + LHCS
15:50 W SBB Cargo 620.055 long rake of Wascosa and OnRail bogie tanks
15:55 E uid Re4/4 + Commercial containers, mail containers, loose mail, 4w Cargo vans
15:59 W 11241 LE
16:03 ER SBB Cargo Ae6/6 610.486 long mixed
Now a couple of oddball moves:
The lights went green for a move E through road 2 (ie the road between the station building and P3)
16:05 EY 923.001 on test? At least 3 in the cab
16:12 W 11139 + LHCS – loco had 2 x DBSO (or whatever SBB call them) behind the loco, then a double-deck Bistro car, then 7 more coaches – not seen this config before – passengers on board so not ecs.
Back to normality:
16:17/23 WY Re6/6 11623 + long mixed pathing stop
16:22 ER uid Re 6/6 + bogie tanks
16:30 ER Re 6/6 11641 + long mixed
16:33 ER Green Ae 6/6 11514 + Am843.088 + Mixed
16:36 ER 11175 + mixed

(Break – off to pick up the wife and get refreshed)

17:30/32 WR SBB Cargo 610.486 LE (ie down the ramp)
17:31 ER Green Ae 6/6 11440 + mixed
17:32 W 11175 LE
17:48 ER Red Ae 6/6 11512 + Mixed
17:50 W 11196 + LHCS
17:55 W Green Ae 6/6 11514 + Re 6/6 11618 LE
17:59/18:24 W 11180 LE (long pathing stop)
18:01 ER Re6/6 11605 mixed - mostly cement
18:09 W Green Re6/6 11659 LE
18:19) WR Green Ae 6/6 11501 LE (ie another down ramp) (presumably came back whilst I was away?)
18:19) W 11118 + LHCS
18:27/32 WY Re 6/6 620.060 + Mixed – pathing stop
18:30 ER 11291 + short mixed
18:31 W 11220(?)+11228 test train? Blocked by parked 620.060 – by the time I realised what it might be I was too late to grab a going-away shot
18:34 W SBB Cargo Re6/6 620.042 Long mixed – incl many cereal wagons
18:35 ER 620.058 long mixed




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Re: Today's Railways: Jungfraubahn

gordonwis
 

IMHO there were several versions/editions  of this book published in the 1950s under the title Switzerland's Amazing Railways (search for that title on Amazon).
 
I have another nice Cecil J Allen book  - Switzerland: It's railways and cableways, published circa 1967
 
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Switzerlands-amazing-railways-Cecil-Allen/dp/B0000CINLP

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More SBB Pictures; 460 Werbeloks

John Lovda
 

I've added more pictures to my Flickr collection, this time 460 Werbeloks. Early pictures are slides, later are digital.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/79976134@N07/sets/72157630129949900/detail/

John


Final Killwangen visit 14Jun12

pj24davis
 

Thursday 14June 2012 and a final trip to Kilwangen-Spreitenbach

E = to/from yard via ramp
Y = from yard on flat
Excludes units and 460's

14:34 E 11172 + single deck push pull set
14:41 E 11139 + LHCS
14:42/49 W Re6/6 620.060 LE pathing stop
14:48 W 923.001 LE on test?
14:57 ER Tm232.216 propelling 1 tank + 2 open wagons
15:03 ER Swiss Rail Traffic 416.628 + 2 new (or overhauled?) hoppers
15:05 ER Green Ae6/6 11465 +long mixed
15:05 ER Re 4/4's 11281+11248 + mixed
15:10 W BLS485.015+HGK uid Traxx long rake of bogie tanks (number 2057 on lower cab sides)
15:12) ER Green Ae 6/6 11473 + Mixed
15:12) W 11272 + LHCS
15:13 W DB 185.088 + long rake of vans
15:15) WY Green Re4/4 11309 + Mixed
15:15) W Red Ae6/6 11512 + Green 11501 LE
15:25) E 2 x uid Re4/4 + vans
15:25/35 WY Swiss Rail Traffic 416.628 + 2 new (or overhauled?) hoppers (Pathing stop)
Given this turned round in 20mins it looked like some kind of crew training run
15:31) W 11260 + loaded cars
15:31) ER 2 x uid Re4/4 + Mixed
15:35 ER Green Ae6/6 11438 + engineers + mixed
15:43 E 11196 + LHCS
15:50 W SBB Cargo 620.055 long rake of Wascosa and OnRail bogie tanks
15:55 E uid Re4/4 + Commercial containers, mail containers, loose mail, 4w Cargo vans
15:59 W 11241 LE
16:03 ER SBB Cargo Ae6/6 610.486 long mixed
Now a couple of oddball moves:
The lights went green for a move E through road 2 (ie the road between the station building and P3)
16:05 EY 923.001 on test? At least 3 in the cab
16:12 W 11139 + LHCS – loco had 2 x DBSO (or whatever SBB call them) behind the loco, then a double-deck Bistro car, then 7 more coaches – not seen this config before – passengers on board so not ecs.
Back to normality:
16:17/23 WY Re6/6 11623 + long mixed pathing stop
16:22 ER uid Re 6/6 + bogie tanks
16:30 ER Re 6/6 11641 + long mixed
16:33 ER Green Ae 6/6 11514 + Am843.088 + Mixed
16:36 ER 11175 + mixed

(Break – off to pick up the wife and get refreshed)

17:30/32 WR SBB Cargo 610.486 LE (ie down the ramp)
17:31 ER Green Ae 6/6 11440 + mixed
17:32 W 11175 LE
17:48 ER Red Ae 6/6 11512 + Mixed
17:50 W 11196 + LHCS
17:55 W Green Ae 6/6 11514 + Re 6/6 11618 LE
17:59/18:24 W 11180 LE (long pathing stop)
18:01 ER Re6/6 11605 mixed - mostly cement
18:09 W Green Re6/6 11659 LE
18:19) WR Green Ae 6/6 11501 LE (ie another down ramp) (presumably came back whilst I was away?)
18:19) W 11118 + LHCS
18:27/32 WY Re 6/6 620.060 + Mixed – pathing stop
18:30 ER 11291 + short mixed
18:31 W 11220(?)+11228 test train? Blocked by parked 620.060 – by the time I realised what it might be I was too late to grab a going-away shot
18:34 W SBB Cargo Re6/6 620.042 Long mixed – incl many cereal wagons
18:35 ER 620.058 long mixed


Re: Weil Am Rhein obsevations 06Jun12

pj24davis
 


Re: Today's Railways: Jungfraubahn

Paul Nicholson
 

Thanks to everyone who responded to my initial query; the information is most helpful.

Switzerland is my all time favourite travel destination and I am looking forward to a third visit (previous ones were 1974 and 1989).

In the meantime, I discovered a copy of "Mountain Railway Guide to Central Switzerland" by Cecil J Allen; it must date from 1952. Fascinating reading!

Paul in Australia


Re Durchmesserlinie progress

Andrew
 

Dave

Many thanks for sharing the photo. Another piece of excellent Swiss civil Engineering in my opinion.

Regards

Andy Muff


Re Gotthard Closure - media release

Andrew
 

Thank you very much Don for sharing this with us. I am not at all surprised that our friends in Switzerland and the surrounding countries are doing evrtything within their power to keep rail freight moving.

We must all hope (as mentioned in the article) that operators do not loose faith in the rail network through Switzerlnd and go back to using road transport. This would be disastrous for many reasons.

Regards

Andy Muff


Gotthard Closure - Freight Traffic Media Release

Don
 

Media Release

Issued by SBB Cargo International, BLS Cargo, Hupac and Ralpin

Interruption of the railway line at Gotthard
Rail freight actors join forces to overcome emergency

Bern/Olten/Chiasso, 13 June 2012 The suppliers of rail freight traffic via Switzerland can
handle a large proportion of the transit demand by diversions via Lötschberg/Simplon.
Close, constructive collaboration of all involved makes this possible.

"Make more from less" – Switzerland has mobilized additional capacity in line with this motto after the Gotthard line was blocked for several weeks due to a rockfall. An adaptation of the schedule increased capacity via Lötschberg/Simplon. The available route capacity must be used optimally. Combined transport operators and rail companies are pooling their volumes and resources to this end. The Rola operator RAlpin has reduced its existing offer via the Lötschberg axis so that more trains for unaccompanied shipments can travel it. These shipments are absolutely dependent on rail transport. BLS Cargo is making all rail company pushing services available on the alpine routes for the order of the infrastructure managers SBB/BLS. SBB Cargo International is providing additional shunting teams at the borders. Hupac is controlling the traffic volume, so that maximum capacity utilization of the trains is achieved. Hazardous goods transport is given priority on Rola to limit an increase of hazardous good shipments on roads.

Collaboration with railways in other countries is being pursued intensively. All routes via Lötschberg/Simplon have to find a connection in Germany and Italy; otherwise they remain unused. The international interface of the rail systems in Domodossola presents a bottleneck. Under direction of the Italian infrastructure operator RFI, a pool of locomotives and train drivers was created for shunting work to handle the critical point. Customs authorities have also adapted their work to the increased demand on the Lötschberg/Simplon axis and are working around the clock.

The interruption of the Gotthard route is creating high costs for all involved in the intermodal transport chain. The companies in the rail sector expect losses in the ranges of millions. However, the indirect costs of a loss of customer trust are substantially higher with a possible shift back to the roads. As a result, the close, constructive collaboration of all involved on the complete traffic corridor is that much more important over the coming weeks.

The interruption of the railway line at Gotthard has demonstrated that the rail system needs sufficient reserves and redundancies, so that it can remain operational in emergencies. Freight transport must at least in part be able to switch from one route to another. Sufficient reserves ensure the stability of the total system. Insofar the orientation of NEAT to two axes (Gotthard and Lötschberg) has been proven to be the right strategy. The expansion and capacity increase of all three transit axes through Switzerland, i.e. the Lötschberg, Luino and Chiasso axes, is imperative for traffic relocation.

The operators of rail freight traffic also see a need to act in the area of construction site management. International construction site coordination has to be considered for all routes crossing the Alps with the goal of maintaining sufficient transport capacity when there are unforeseen incidents. Simultaneous construction work on several central transit axes, such as in this summer with partial complete blocks of the Simplon and Brenner routes, presents an intolerable risk, as has now been demonstrated. Postponements of construction work must be an option in the case of emergencies.

Finally, the interruption of the Gotthard route makes the necessity of internationally coordinated infrastructure management extremely clear, especially in the sensitive region of the Alps. This would enable optimum harmonization of the different requirements of national networks. Interoperability also remains an important topic. Different line profiles, electricity and train control systems complicate the moving of transport considerably from one axis to another.

Customer trust in rail freight must be won again each day. SBB Cargo International, BLS Cargo, Hupac and RAlpin want to thank all their partners in the transport chain for their dedication to overcoming the current emergency. The employees of infrastructure operators, railways, terminals and public authorities are doing outstanding work to keep traffic rolling at least in a limited fashion.
End of message.

ERS on their site indicated diversions via L-S and Austria-Tarvisio with restricted capacity and the customer being invoiced for the additional costs. I have seen nothing for TRW and TXL, etc as far as a contingency plan for their services.

Cheers,

Don


Durchmesserlinie progress

Dave Edmondston <davee@...>
 

Hi all,

If there's any interest, I've put up a pic of the current progress on the concrete overpass west of Zürich HB on the US RailPictures site.

http://railpictures.net/photo/400481

Cheers,
Dave

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