Plan to visit Switzerland trip... Re: Re: Basel Airport Rail link plan
Susan Greenwell <susan.greenwell@...>
To Malpensa last year we used the local bus from Gallarate think it was only about €1.60 left from outside the station the timetable is somewhere on the internet but there's at least one bus a hour. There are a few EC's stop there and lots of locals to/from Domodossla and you don't have to go into Milan.
Susan
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Re: Gotthard VSOE Diversion?
Theo van Riet
At 18:56 +0000 18-06-12, Don wrote:
Locs must have been swapped in Brig as the train arrived in Domodossola with different locos 460 . Out of Europeanrail: At 21:12 +0100 18-06-12, Martin Baumann wrote:
Theo
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Rare triple header at Brig
Martin Baumann <martinbaumann112@...>
The Venice-Simplon-Orient-Express (VSOE) ran to Italy via Kandersteg and Brig today due to the Gotthard closure. It was worked as far as Domodossola by 460 101+460 020
The locos were returned to Brig on IR 2824 1648 Domodossola-Brig. They were ahead of the train loco 11118 and all three were powering! : http://www.bahnbilder.de/bild/Schweiz~Galerien~Extrazuge/606827/venice-simplon-orient-express-vsoe-aufgrund-eines-geroellsturzes-ist.html http://www.bahnbilder.de/bild/schweiz~e-loks~re-4-4-ii-re-420/606832/die-beiden-re-460-aus-dem.html
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Gotthard VSOE Diversion?
Don Newing
I don't understand why, but the Gotthard closure has resulted in the Venice Simplon Orient Express private luxury train being diverted over the Loetschberg summit route and the Simplon. To achieve this with its heavyweight load, double headed Re460s are required. Despite its name, it normally runs via Sargans and then over the Brenner pass. Whatever the reason for its diversion, it has resulted in a fine photograph of the train Luogelkin viaduct near Hoehtenn by David Gubler, see:
http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=400698&nseq=0 Don Newing
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Re: Re Gotthard Route Update
Rob
--- In SwissRail@yahoogroups.com, "martinbaumann112" <martinbaumann112@...> wrote:
Video of blast:- <http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/swiss_news/Blast_secures_key_north-south_railway_line.html?cid=32927212> or <http://snurl.com/23zkzq3> Robert UK
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Re: Re Gotthard Route Update
csipromo
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Re Gotthard Route Update
Andrew
Thanks for the update Martin. I am pleased things went ok. Lets hope SBB can get the infrastructure repaired in time for the July reopening.
Just out of interest, does anybody know what has happened to The SBB train staff normally based in Erstfeld during the closure. I know Erstfeld is not the hub it once was, but there must still be many staff based in and around The Erstfeld main shed ? Thank you Andrew Muff
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Re Gotthard Closure - Freight Traffic Media Release
Andrew
Thanks IC2000 for sharing this press release with us. It doesn't make very comfortable reading.
I hope i am wrong, but i suspect international companies that use rail to transport their products throught Switzerland may look at other options. The forthcoming maintenance issues on The Simplon route will not help. Am i right in thinking that freight moved by ROAD cannot use Switzerland simply as a transit route. In other words, foreign lorries can deliver into and out of Switzerland but cannot for instance deliver a cargo which has originated in France and is destined for Italy, without making any deliveries in Switzerland. IF this is the case, and its very likely i am wrong, for which i apologise, what other, if any options are there to move freight from Northern Eurpe to The South ? Andrew Muff
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Plan to visit Switzerland trip... Re: Re: Basel Airport Rail link plan
gordonwis
Corrected response:
I inadvertantly attributed to Max Wyss a comment about Paris security. To clarify, it is John Fleck's view of Paris security that I would suggest is unnecessarily alarmist. I've passed through Paris with full baggase including all my travel and railway photography gear around 10 times in the last two years and not had any problems. Most recently was just 10 days ago when I spent some time on various Paris suburban services carrying my full luggage from a week's SNCF photographic trip plus model `purchases' made earlier in the day. Paris is no worse than any other populated location in the world. In fact the RER and SNCF in general has a (sometimes annoyingly so for photographers) high level of security presence these days with armed security and army personnel on patrol on the stations and in trains. Turning back to the actual journey options, Frankfurt/Main – Switzerland is definitely the most convenient of the three options mentioned. Nevertheless, I looked on DB/Hafas for CDG – Bern. One option is CDG – Lyon Part Dieu – Geneve ie one non-Swiss train change in Lyon, then another once you are in Switzerland. This would be a scenic and different alternative to what you have done before. This would be a minimum of about 2.5 hours longer than Frankfurt – Bern. Another alternative is one service per day by TGV from CDG – Strasbourg, changing there into the 200km/h TER regional express services Strasbourg – Basel, about 2 hours longer the Frankfurt – Bern with a chance to sample the LGV Est Europeen.
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Re: Re Gotthard Route Update
martinbaumann112 <martinbaumann112@...>
The explosion was successfully carried out at 1230 local time today and SBB now plan to reopen the line on Monay 2 July 2012:
http://www.sbb.ch/sbb-konzern/medien/medienmitteilungen.newsdetail.2012-6-1806_45_4.html (German)
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Re: Plan to visit Switzerland trip... Re: Re: Basel Airport Rail link plan
Max Wyss
Apologies to Max, I should have said that it was John's comments that seemed a bit alarmistApologies accepted… From the point of view safety and security, I see no increased problems with either of the three airports and their links to the rail network. Max.
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Plan to visit Switzerland trip... Re: Re: Basel Airport Rail link plan
gordonwis
Sorry,
Apologies to Max, I should have said that it was John's comments that seemed a bit alarmist Humble apologies
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Re: Gotthard Closure - Newsletter Nr. 9 of BLS Cargo AG - Monday, 18 June, 2012
Hayward Godwin
Newsletter Nr. 9 of BLS Cargo AG - Monday, 18 June, 2012 9:51 (Sorry,
but I can't find the link to this page) Dear ladies and gentlemen On Tuesday 5th June 2012 a landslide occurred on the Gotthard route (Basel-Chiasso), as a result of which the line is completely closed to traffic for several weeks. Whilst the line is blocked, we will do everything we can, in liaison with our customers, to divert traffic to the Lötschberg route. However, this means capacity on the Lötschberg route will be stretched to the limit and congestion there will probably be an on-going issue. As things stand at present, we do not expect to be able to switch all Gotthard business to the Lötschberg route. However, BLS Cargo will do its utmost to transfer as much traffic as possible and at the same time, to keep any negative effects of the increase in volumes on existing Lötschberg traffic flows to an absolute minimum. In early April we gave details to the press of how BLS Cargo performed operationally and financially last year. In 2011 we increased performance and were able to strengthen our position in the marketplace, making us the leading railway for transit services through Switzerland. Despite the problems of a weak Euro, we were able to close off the year with a more or less balanced operating result. I am pleased to note that, compared to its competitors, BLS Cargo held its own last year in a challenging market environment. However, there is little time to savour the success of the past year. There are fresh challenges to be met, testing once again our ability to act flexibly and to adapt to whatever situation confronts us. The state of the infrastructure on the Simplon route and planning of services during the three-year refurbishment of the Simplon tunnel are a current source of much concern. Fortunately, we are able to draw on the long experience and expertise of our planners to find ways with our customers of running as many trains as possible despite the reduction in capacity. But planning skills alone are not enough when it comes to last-minute track closures, if there are no alternative routes available. It is a big handicap, especially for our intermodal customers, that on the important Rotterdam-Genua corridor, only the Lötschberg route can accommodate 4m high loads. For this reason, BLS Cargo is pol itically active in pushing for further enhancement of Swiss railways infrastructure, in particular a 4m corridor on the Gotthard route. Dr. Dirk Stahl, CEO <http://www.railfreightportal.com/Interview,73> 1. Financial year 2011: market position reinforced BLS Cargo can look back on an eventful and challenging 2011: traffic growth fluctuating sharply, further weakening of the Euro and bottlenecks on the railway network were the defining moments of the past year. In this context, BLS Cargo was able to present a virtually balanced operating result and with a 43% market share, to become market leader for transit services through Switzerland. The 2011 annual report as well as documentation from the press conference - press release and Dr. Stahl's presentation (german versions) - give a more detailed overview of BLS Cargo's activities during the past year. 2. New traffic flow Rotterdam (NL) - Frenkendorf/Rekingen (CH) BLS Cargo has further strengthened its position in the intermodal import/export market. Since the middle of April, we have been carrying maritime containers for IMS from Rotterdam to the terminals in Frenkendorf and Rekingen, traction in Germany and the Netherlands being provided by ERS Railways. BLS Cargo now provides services connecting Frenkendorf five times weekly and Rekingen four times weekly with Rotterdam and the North German ports. Block train services to the Swiss terminals constitute a major part of all intermodal import business. 3. Engineering work on the Simplon tunnel One of the most important north-south routes through the Alps for rail-borne freight traffic is the Lötschberg-Simplon route, which includes the over 100 year-old Simplon tunnel. Roughly half of the tunnel is situated on Swiss territory and half on Italian territory and it is currently undergoing extensive restoration work. This is being carried out over the next three years, sometimes involving considerable restrictions for the transport of rail freight. Back in 2010 BLS Cargo therefore began to study re-scheduling of services during the refurbishment period together with other similarly-affected railway companies. The aim was to produce a timetable for all types of traffic (long-distance and local passenger services, car shuttles, freight), which would be both workable and offer the greatest capacity. During repairs, at least one quarter of the Simplon tunnel is always closed to traffic. The reduction in transport capacity meant agreeing requirements in advance with railway partners. In spite of the very flexible response by all concerned, it was not possible to allocate all train paths for the current 2012 timetable according to demand, which led to an `auction' with paths being allocated to the highest bidder. Picture: Simplon tunnel closures <http://newsletter.blscargo.ch/userfiles/image/Simplonsperre_e.jpg> During August and September 2012, work on the tunnel will also involve a 50% tunnel closure, causing further restrictions to freight traffic. Thanks to the slowdown in business during the summer months and advance planning with customers, all BLS Cargo freight services will be operated, albeit with alternative schedules several hours earlier or later than normal. Experience over recent months has shown that if there is sufficient time to prepare, capacity constraints can be compensated for by good planning. However, this becomes difficult if not impossible when line closures are imposed at very short notice and this looks likely to be the case later in August, when the spiral tunnel at Varzo (galleria elicoidale) is due to be repaired. Thus, the line will be completely closed at short notice during the scheduled restriction period, involving even more planning gymnastics. BLS Cargo will do all it can to transfer traffic to the Gotthard route. However, this will not be possible in the case of intermodal traffic involving high-capacity units, as the Gotthard route is not built to accommodate 4m high loads. Some customers will therefore have no choice but to suspend operations during the closure or switch to road, which BLS Cargo deeply regrets. 4. Connections in the south: the challenges facing Italy Switzerland has invested heavily in its rail infrastructure and has eliminated many bottlenecks in recent years. It is crucial for the success of the Rotterdam-Genua freight corridor that there is a good infrastructure over the entire route, which is why Germany and especially Italy are now under pressure to respond accordingly. From a Swiss perspective, by the time the Gotthard base tunnel opens in 2016 and the Ceneri base tunnel in 2020, the approach routes in Germany and Italy must be in a position to accommodate the increased volumes generated by the Swiss infrastructure. As far as Italy is concerned, in BLS Cargo's opinion, the following stretches of track need attention in order to meet quality requirements: a) Upgrade of the Basel-Chiasso-Milan corridor to accommodate 750m trains within a 4m loading gauge by 2020. b) Development of terminal capacity east of Milan in Milan, Brescia and Piacenza. c) Upgrade of the Bellinzona-Luino-Busto Arsizio/Gallarate line to handle 700m trains within a 4m loading gauge in order to provide existing terminals west of Milan (Gallarate, Busto, Novara) with sufficient 4m high line capacity. d) Implementation by 2015 of capacity optimisation measures to make better use of the existing 4m route capability at the southern end of the Lötschberg. Capacity could further be increased by developing the Borgomanero line, expanding the Domodossola-Arona-Vignale route up to 4m height and introducing a circular traffic route Domodossola-Borgomanero/Arona-Novara. 5. Prototype last-mile locomotive on the move In 2014 BLS Cargo will pioneer the introduction into commercial service of three rental last-mile a.c. locomotives with built-in diesel engine. The last-mile diesel enables an operator to dispense with the hitherto necessary requirement for a change of locomotive at freight yards. The new technology offers increased flexibility, for example at stations where a system change takes place, at terminals, at ports or on factory premises. There, the final metres of track, the so-called `last mile', are generally not electrified. Previously, special shunting locomotives have had to take over from electric locomotives in these areas to close the gap in the chain. The new TRAXX AC3 locomotive with its last-mile diesel engine will facilitate the seamless transport of goods by rail. The first prototype TRAXX AC3 locomotive with last-mile capability left the assembly workshop at Bombardier's Kassel plant on 8th May and was handed over for initial commissioning. A further two locomotives are currently being assembled in Kassel and are due to be available for testing in mid-August. This will enable various stages of the process from commissioning through to approval to be managed in parallel. However, before the locomotive can officially run on the railway network, it has to undergo a thorough check, which comprises two parts: 1. The static part of the software acceptance programme currently taking place involves testing of all electric and electronic systems, checking of all functions connected with the switching on and off of the locomotive as well as all driving and braking functions. 2. In mid-September, the dynamic phase begins with the first locomotive being tested on the German test track in Wildenrath or in Hennigsdorf. Once static and dynamic tests have been completed, the vehicles are ready for verification and validation. Initial service tests with BLS Cargo are planned for 2013, when the locomotive can show what it is capable of under real service conditions. Foto: Last-mile locomotive <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SwissRail/photos/album/382494797/pic/list\; If you want to see for yourself what the locomotive looks like, you have a chance to do so at Innotrans, the international trade fair for transport technology, where the last-mile locomotive will be on show from 18th to 21st September 2012 on Bombardier's stand at the Berlin exhibition Centre. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Re: Plan to visit Switzerland trip... Re: Re: Basel Airport Rail link plan
Simon
The ICE service from Frankfurt Airport delivers you to Basel in about three
hours or you can change at Mannheim or Karlsruhe and pick-up one of the loco-hauled services. I can recommend a great model shop in Basel which is a short tram ride from the SBB station. They have a huge stock which will test your wallet to the limit !! Their website shows some photos of the shop (spread over two floors) and also has a complete list of their current stock. www.berchersternlicht.ch I have no link to this shop, just a satisfied customer. Cheers Simon
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Re: Plan to visit Switzerland trip
George Raymond
in Paris, the RER Line B train from CDG toI often ride RER Line B and don't feel particularly unsafe. If you arrive at CDG airport, you don't necessarily have go into Paris to get to Switzerland. If you look in the SBB site for routings from "Aéroport Charles-de-Gaulle TGV" to "Basel" via the TGV station "Champagne-Ardenne", you will find a number of routings involving 1-2 changes at stations other than Paris. These changes are within one station (sometimes on the same platform), which tend to be less arduous than changing stations in Paris. As for fares, you will often do better buying a Paris-Mulhouse ticket from the SNCF site and a separate Mulhouse-Basel. Through Paris-Basel tickets can be much higher and/or carry more restrictive cancellation conditions. George
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Re: Plan to visit Switzerland trip... Re: Re: Basel Airport Rail link plan
Max Wyss
Considering the milage tickets I can use, I am limited to the followingAs John already stated, the hassle to get to/from MXP or CDG is way bigger than to/from FRA, because in both cases, you'd have to go into the main town, and may even have to transfer between stations, which can be a hassle (in particular between the Gare de Lyon and the Gare du Nord, where you would be using probably the busiest stretch of the RER. There might be one possibility allowing to change TGVs in Dijon, but then, you still have CDG… Personally, of these three airports, I would favor FRA, where you also have most flexibility, and probably also the most dense schedules to Switzerland (a connection every hour). Max.
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Plan to visit Switzerland trip... Re: Re: Basel Airport Rail link plan
John Lovda
I can see you would never visit Egypt and travel from Cairo to Luxor on a train.
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Re: Plan to visit Switzerland trip... Re: Re: Basel Airport Rail link plan
John Fleck <johntgv@...>
Only Frankfurt Airport has direct trains to Switzerland out of the 3 choices
Milan, Italy should be ruled out completely as far as safety and convenience are concerned and in Paris, the RER Line B train from CDG to Gare du Nord runs through some unpleasant suburbs and you would have to change to Gare de l`Est or Gare de Lyon for trains to Switzerland, so Paris isn`t too safe or convenient either. Sincerely, John Fleck
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RhB Centenary Event
Mark Pichowicz
Just back from sunny Switzerland (and rainy Austria/Slovenia), here are
a selection of pictures from the RhB Chur-Disentis centenary event this weekend. http://www.flickr.com/photos/bantam61668/ <http://www.flickr.com/photos/bantam61668/%20> Thanks in advance for looking, Mark
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Plan to visit Switzerland trip... Re: Re: Basel Airport Rail link plan
Chris Lee
On Sun, 17 Jun 2012 07:55:37 -0700 (PDT)
Andrew Moglestue <amogles@yahoo.com> wrote: In any other context I would agree with that. But in my experienceRegarding airports but a bit off topic... I am trying to plan for a trip with the following purpose: 1. Railway Photography in Switzerland; 2. Model Trains shopping; Considering the milage tickets I can use, I am limited to the following 3 airports as port of entry: 1. Frankfurt (FRA), Germany; 2. Milan (MXP), Italy; 3. Paris (CDG), France; Unfortunately, Zurich (ZRH) is not an option. Out of the above 3, which one would be the most convenient and safest security wise to transit thru considering that I will be carrying: 1. Camera equipments /tripod etc... and 2. When returning, hopefully suitcases of modeltrains up to my luggage limit (and of course to the limit of my wallet); The above items would make me an easy target for snatchers / thieves during transit/change of trains and on trains... Last time I went thru Frankfurt without any problem and comfortably on DB ICEs / CNL in and out of Zurich HB, but what about other choices? Most likely will have a Eurail pass with me. Advise appreciated. -- Photographer Chris <photographer.chris@gmail.com>
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