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Re: Feldschlossen railway

OL.Guerbetal
 

Am 21.06.2012 21:22, schrieb Kidger Paul:
(apologies for any errors in spelling)
The correct spelling is Feldschlösschen (speaking Feld-schlöss-chen) which is the diminutive of Feldschloss, which translates as field castle. And this is what the brewery looks like.

Feldschlösschen as url is feldschloesschen.ch but there is a somehow official English misspelling "Feldschlossen", comparable to the Ovomaltine which is sold as Ovaltine in countries, where complicated spelling isn't mastered... ;-)

Markus, Gürbetal


Re: Plan to visit Switzerland trip... Re: Re: Basel Airport Rail link plan

OL.Guerbetal
 

Am 19.06.2012 15:27, schrieb Kidger Paul:
On the subject of Feldschloschessen, Anyone know where the 3 coaches
came from which the brewery used to take visitors up to the brewery
from Rheinfelden station.
They were former BT (Bodensee-Toggenburg) B2 427-429, thus brothers and sisters of the colourful Amor-Express coaches. They were identical with contemporary SBB coaches and might be considered the first Einheitswagen of Switzerland... ;-)

BTW: BT bought four such coaches in 1917 and numbered them 427-430, bringing the total number of identical third class coaches to 30.
In 1927 BT swapped C 429 against four older SBB coaches of 1902, becoming C 451-454 (ex SBB 6811-14 ex JN 428-431). Afterwards original number 430 became 429 and the coach sold to SBB got number 9696 and was withdrawn in 1964, only shortly before its mates. They were withdrawn in 1967 and sent to Rheinfelden in 1968.

Markus, Gürbetal


Re: Feldschlossen railway

Kidger Paul
 

Thanks

We were there in February and hopefully will be in a week of so's time. Apparently the old Salmen/Cardinal brewery has just about gone now. Some years ago, a friend of mine who worked for Danbrew, the engineering side of Carlsberg, visited the brewery to see what was removable for use in the rest of the Carlsberg empire. I thought that Calsberg only wanted to close breweries and demolish them. That's what happened to 2 which I was heavily involved with in Scotland and Wales.
The track up to the brewery is still in use to take malt wagons to the brewery and to bring wagons loaded with beer from the brewery using their white 0-6-0 diesel shunting loco.. The brewery is very dependent on the SBB for distribution and they have an arrangement whereby provided notification is given before 12 noon, SBB will deliver loaded wagons to any distribution depot in Switzerland, by the next day....Now that really is super rail orientated business.
Likewise in the Rheinfelden station, there were only 2 coaches plus a few Feldschloschessen tanker wagons. So where the third coach has gone is a mystery and I suspect Thommen in Kaiseraugst is the most likely. I think that 2 steam locos are retained. One is on a plinth in the brewery and the second is. I think, almost operational. Maybe I will try to get a closer look in a week or so's time.

The Fireless steam loco in the traffic island is apparently built the 'wrong way round' with cylinders under the cab. Im not sure of the false chimney. It looks as if the planners thought that a chimney should go somewhere at the front, whereas in fact a chimney wasn't necessary. When I worked on a Shell oil refinery, we had a fireless steam loco held in reserve. It would have been pumped up with steam at 250 psi (about 15 bar) and would do shunting around the refinery because of the lack of fire risk. By the time I joined, rail use in the refinery had been abandoned and in the shunting yards outside, diesels had taken over.

Any case, any further information on the Feldschloschessen coaches would be most welcomed.

(apologies for any errors in spelling)

Paul Kidger


Feldschlossen railway

gordonwis
 

Picking up on the Feldschlossen theme:
I feel old because I remember Cardinal (and its fireless) as the ‘independent’ Salmen Brau since when it became Cardinal, then Feldschlössen then Carlsberg!
 What exactly happens now at Feldschlossen? If you click ‘visit us’ on their website the map shows the ‘gastebahnhof’ but there is no evidence that the train still runs or that anything uses the include track up to the brewery. Passing by in recent times I haven’t even seen evidence of replacement road transport. What happens?
 As a nostalgia trip. I’ve added my 1980s photos to a fledgling Swiss industrial album:
 
http://gwizz.zenfolio.com/p557628587


Re: Plan to visit Switzerland trip... Re: Re: Basel Airport Rail link plan

Andrew Moglestue
 

I don't know what has happened to the passenger cars (last time I passed through Rheinfelden they were all gone) but I have heard the beer car has been saved by DVZO.
 
See here:
 
http://www.drehscheibe-foren.de/foren/read.php?31,5117630


Re: Re Gotthard Route Update

martinbaumann112 <martinbaumann112@...>
 

Current SBB travel information saying line will reopen at 2200 on 02.07.2012

Martin Baumann


Re: Gotthard VSOE Diversion?

gordonwis
 

I have been able to ascertain that the northbound diverted train runs up to Bern and takes the south to northeast curve at Wankdorf and continues Burgdorf – Langenthal – Olten – Lenzburg – Othmarsingen – Lupfig – Brugg (reverse in siding) – Frick – Rheinfelden – Basel
The southbound train does not take the same lengthy deviation, taking the more obvious direct route Basel – Sissach – Olten - Wankdorf.

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Re: Plan to visit Switzerland trip... Re: Re: Basel Airport Rail link plan

Chris Lee
 

All,

Thank you for all of your comments and I think I will stick with
Frankfurt as port of entry at the time being. Seems to be the easiest
and hassle free option with the luggage/equipments I have with me.

And also thanks for the recommendation for the model shops too and I
think I'll seek more details from the Swiss Model ML when time comes
near the trip.

Chris


Re: Re Gotthard Route Update

OL.Guerbetal
 

Am 19.06.2012 14:46, schrieb jlovda:
I have a question. Considering that the entire Gotthard line is
closed, can it be assumed that the SBB has hundreds of workers fixing
every little track defect along the route because an opportunity like
this does not come along very often?
I have no detailed information but SBB informed that they changed their program for engineering work in order to profit from the reduced traffic on the Gotthard axis.

Markus, G�rbetal


Erstfeld Based SBB Staff - Question

Andrew
 

Hello.

Just out of interest, can anybody tell me what has happened to The Erstfeld based Freight drivers and supporting staff during the period of the closure of The Gotthard route south of Erstfeld.

I appreciate that Erstfeld may not be as busy as it once was, that said, from an english perspective, it is still very active.

Have the staff been found work in other parts of the network, are they carrying out duties which they would not normally do ?.

Thanks in advance

Andy Muff


Re: Some more Swiss pictures from 1984.

OL.Guerbetal
 

Am 19.06.2012 15:27, schrieb Ron:
If anyone is interested to have a look, I have put some more pictures
from my trip to Switzerland in 1984 on Flickr. Here's the first one:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/train-pix/7401013022/in/photostream
Caption: 1984-08-18 01. BLS Re4/4 at ???

Answer: Thun

Markus, G�rbetal


Re: Some more Swiss pictures from 1984.

rox_842
 

--- In SwissRail@..., "Ron" <randv.fisher@...> wrote:
Afternoon All,

If anyone is interested to have a look, I have put some more pictures
from my trip to Switzerland in 1984 on Flickr. Here's the first one :

http://www.flickr.com/photos/train-pix/7401013022/in/photostream

Alternatively, they are in the 'Stop Press! Latest Pictures!!'
Collection dated the 19th June

http://www.flickr.com/photos/train-pix/sets/72157630190475884/

This is a temporary set, but they will be there for a couple of
months or thereabouts. They are also in the 'Railways in
Switzerland' Collection in the Set 'Switzerland 1984' along with
the ones uploaded previously.

Hope that they are of interest and that the links all work o.k.

Ron Fisher.
In case anyone hasn't seen them, I forgot to put the link to the 'Switzerland 1984' set in the previous post :

http://www.flickr.com/photos/train-pix/sets/72157629977101091/

Ron.


Re: Gotthard VSOE Diversion?

gordonwis
 

Thanks Brian
 
Is the rest of the routing via Bern and Basel? Any avoiding lines in the equation?
 
Gordon


Re: Gotthard VSOE Diversion?

Javier Pena
 

Hi Brian,

Many thanks for the info below.

Do you, or anyone else, know of similar VSOE diversions over the Lötschberg
in July?

Regards,
Javier


Re: Model railway shops in Basel

Simon
 

I've been past this one on a number of occasions (I live on the same street)
but I've never seen it open ?

I guess, like a number of hobby shops in Switzerland, they are run as a
hobby and open on Saturdays.

Ta

Simon


Re: Plan to visit Switzerland trip... Re: Re: Basel Airport Rail link plan

Simon
 

[Ladies and Gentlemen, may I remind you of the fact that this group
is thought to discuss prototype questions and that for modeling
questions the groups BEMO and SwissRailModeling are recommended.
Thank you. Markus]

I second the model shop recommendation. I consider it to be one of
the best shops in Switzerland, but it's not just "a short tram
ride", it is also a fairly steep uphill walk. Also further up the
hill is another good shop H & M Beltrami at Spalenvorstadt 22
Ah, but by changing onto a Number 3 tram you can get to the tram stop at the
top of the hill which turns the steep uphill walk into a steep-ish downhill
walk.

We'll agree to disagree about the long and short of tram rides J

Ta

Simon


Re: Gotthard VSOE Diversion?

Brian Stephenson
 

Thanks to a Swiss contact (the man that took the photo referred to on RailPictures) the VSOE is booked via the Lotschberg southbound on 15, 18, 25 and 29 June passing Kandersteg at 09.02 and northbound on 13, 16 and 27 June passing Kandersteg at 20.24.

Southbound it has a nearly two hour wait at Brig belived to be for watering the Wagon Lits etc.

Brian Stephenson


Re: Plan to visit Switzerland trip... Re: Re: Basel Airport Rail link plan

Kidger Paul
 

RE Bercher & Sternlicht
Truly Excellent
Last year I bought from them an excellent HO kit version of the Feldschloschessen brewery, for my son who has a fairly extensive layout in his cellar, (why else are Swiss houses built with cellars). This brewery is known by my grandchildren , (and I think several other 'ex pat' kids living around Basel) as The Beer Castle.  It was the cause of much amazement when one grand daughter learned that I used to work in the UK brewing industry....You worked  in a Beer Castle!!!! Wow!!!. B&S is a wonderful shop and I welcomed the opportunity to go in, have a look with a clear conscience since I actually bought something. Beware of the Johannes Wanner Christmas decoration shop slightly lower down the hill. One member of staff failed the Customer Welcome course but I understand a refund was given.

On the subject of Feldschloschessen, Anyone know where the 3 coaches came from which the brewery used to take visitors up to the brewery from Rheinfelden station. Sadly one has disappeared...has it gone down the line to Kaiseraugst for recycling? 
I dont know if this has received attention before but, in the centre of a traffic island in Rheinfelden is one of the old Cardinal Brewery Fireless steam locos. It appears to have received a false chimney and some fairly violent colour schemes. Planners and  engineers rarely see eye to eye.

Paul Kidger


Some more Swiss pictures from 1984.

rox_842
 

Afternoon All,

If anyone is interested to have a look, I have put some more pictures from my trip to Switzerland in 1984 on Flickr. Here's the first one :

http://www.flickr.com/photos/train-pix/7401013022/in/photostream

Alternatively, they are in the 'Stop Press! Latest Pictures!!' Collection dated the 19th June

http://www.flickr.com/photos/train-pix/sets/72157630190475884/

This is a temporary set, but they will be there for a couple of months or thereabouts. They are also in the 'Railways in Switzerland' Collection in the Set 'Switzerland 1984' along with the ones uploaded previously.

Hope that they are of interest and that the links all work o.k.

Ron Fisher.


Model railway shops in Basel

George Raymond
 

Bercher und Sternlicht
Spalenberg 45

Beltrami
Spalenvorstadt 22  
Here's another one close to Basel SBB station:

Alpenbahn-Lokschuppen GmbH
Dornacherstrasse 23
4053 Basel

George

11861 - 11880 of 29767