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Re: Type or class?

OL.Guerbetal
 

Am 26.07.2012 20:06, schrieb Keith Hookham:
For example you have type RE 4/4s but they are class RE420, RE421 or
RE425 etc depending on the railway who owns them.
I don't think that Re 4/4 is a type, because it's anything with four standard gauge axles looking like a locomotive... Perhaps Re 4/4 II is a type. But this could also be a class...

Markus, G�rbetal


Re: Type or class?

Keith Hookham <keith47424@...>
 

Us English usually use the term class. For example you have type RE 4/4s
but they are class RE420, RE421 or RE425 etc depending on the railway who
owns them.
--
Cheers Keith47424


Re: Type or class?

Andrew Moglestue
 

In my understanding, but I may be wrong, type is rather a
builder's view, class a railway view. Perhaps we learn more
from the Traxx locomotives. Traxx F 140 AC is a type and
DB 185 or SBB Re 482 are classes of this type
I would share that view.
 
The definition has been clouded  a lot really by the manufacturer of the so-called Class 66 (and railway journalists) referring to them as Class 66 rather than whatver EMD originally called them, even when supplied to operators outside the United Kingdom, and hence actually classifying them differently.
 
It just shows how sloppy usage can lead to us losing track of what things should be called.


Re: Type or class?

Andrew Moglestue
 

I would Share that view


Re: Type or class?

OL.Guerbetal
 

Am 26.07.2012 17:02, schrieb George Raymond:
A language question: Stadler is currently building a number of
two-axle Eem 923 shunting locomotives. In British English, would you
say "type" or "class" Eem 923?
An interesting question. In my understanding, but I may be wrong, type is rather a builder's view, class a railway view. Perhaps we learn more from the Traxx locomotives. Traxx F 140 AC is a type and DB 185 or SBB Re 482 are classes of this type, methinks. ???

Markus, G�rbetal


Re: Type or class?

Max Wyss
 

In British English, would you say "type" or "class" Eem 923?
Not being a Brit, I may not be correct, but in my understanding of
that language, it would be "class", because it is a specific
designation (932); "type" would be "Eem" without number, indicating
that it is a shunter (E), with electric (e) and internal combustion
(m) power.

Max.


Type or class?

George Raymond
 

A language question:

Stadler is currently building a number of two-axle Eem 923 shunting
locomotives.

In British English, would you say "type" or "class" Eem 923?

Thanks
George


Re: TEE over the Gotthard yesterday (26th July)

Andrew Moglestue
 

However, the infrastructure from the border to Luino is under RFI
auspices.
Apparently the border is in the middle of a bridge, and that bridge is clean and painted up to the precise middle (that's the Swiss side) and dirty and very rusty on the other side.
 
That line also has some very unusual and old catenary. I did a cab ride there once on an Ae4/7 and it was well worth it.


Re: Status of damaged locomotives

OL.Guerbetal
 

Am 26.07.2012 02:18, schrieb jlovda:
... and an RhB Ge6/6 II was damaged a few months ago at Samedan (I believe)...
22.11.2011 in Rueun? 703 is repaired and back in service.

Markus, G�rbetal


Re: TEE over the Gotthard yesterday (26th July)

OL.Guerbetal
 

Am 26.07.2012 04:42, schrieb Dave Edmondston:
I've uploaded a photo of this to:
http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=404440&nseq=0

I'd appreciate if anyone knows any further details - I was sitting
reading my book when the thing appeared :-)
A short Google for "TEE zum Markt Luino" brought up this:
<http://www.sbb.ch/freizeit-ferien/tagesausfluege/erlebnisreisen.angebotdetail.tagesausfluege-erlebnisreisen-genussreisen-im_45_historischen_45_tee_45_zum_45_markt_45_in_45_luino.html>

Thus, yes it went to Italy but no, it didn't go under dc. It was a Railaway travel to the quite well known market on Wednesdays in Luino, where Swiss ac electrification and Italian dc electrification meet. However, the infrastructure from the border to Luino is under RFI auspices.

Markus, G�rbetal


TEE over the Gotthard yesterday (26th July)

Dave Edmondston <davee@...>
 

Hi all,

I've uploaded a photo of this to:
http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=404440&nseq=0

I'd appreciate if anyone knows any further details - I was sitting reading my book when the thing appeared :-)

Cheers,
Dave


Status of damaged locomotives

John Lovda
 

An Re4/4 II was damaged last October near Olten and an RhB Ge6/6 II was damaged a few months ago at Samedan (I believe). Are these locomotives being scrapped or repaired. If they are being repaired, has any work been started?

John Lovda


Re: Street running freight - more details please

Mark Pichowicz
 

Thank you very much for the replies.
In the end I didn't attempt to photograph this train and headed elsewhere, something to do next time I visit. Some pictures from an all too short trip to Switzerland can be found here:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/bantam61668/

Highlights include the SBB historic tour with 10664 & 10905 on Sunday and a trip on the DFB on Saturday.

Thanks,
Mark


Re: Photos of freight traffic - WSB

Don
 

The Graphic as at December 2011 had the following workings traced along the route:

601F 05:03 Suhr Gütergleis – Leimbach 05:36
604F 04:52 Leimbach - Suhr Gütergleis 05:19

611 07:49 Suhr Gütergleis – Menziken 09:14
613F 08:19 Suhr Gütergleis – Menziken 09:44

626 10:13 Menziken - Suhr Gütergleis 11:32
628F 10:43 Menziken - Suhr Gütergleis 12:02

631F 12:49 Suhr Gütergleis – Reinach 13:53
633F 13:19 Suhr Gütergleis – Reinach 14:23

642F 14:31 Reinach - Suhr Gütergleis 15:32
644F 15:01 Reinach - Suhr Gütergleis 16:02

Now, if anyone does visit the line I would be interested to know what activity there now is based on the above possibilities to view freight moves. The F = as required. So, 611/626 looks like the form horse, maybe?

Cheers,

Don

--- In SwissRail@yahoogroups.com, Guerbetaler <muesche2-swissrail@...> wrote:

Am 23.01.2012 23:58, schrieb Guerbetaler:
Those of you who have an interest in freight traffic on smaller meter
gauge railways in Switzerland and would like to have own photos of these
operations are advised to make their holiday plans...

WSB transporter truck operation might disappear soon, perhaps last until
December.
WSB has now officially confirmed that freight traffic will end by
December 2012. Freight volume is down to about 15'000 t per year but had
been near 100'000 t in better times.

<http://www.aar.ch/medien.php>

Markus, Gürbetal


Re: SBB CFF Cargo locations

Don
 

I have managed to put together a summary list of SBB Cargo locations as at the Review that was available via the SBB Cargo site. It listed locations where wagonload service was suspended. Some were in respect of construction work being completed and an alternative location for a service was quoted (AMBER).

Many others were actually the little used locations that will effectively close totally as at the December change (REDS) or only continue by prior arrangement (BLUES). A quick look through will enable you to better review a particular area of the Swiss Network but the list is not in strict alphabetical order as if others were added at a later time as the review was progressed.

Anyway it may help anyone wishing to review the changes and impact it may have? It is in the Files Section with a link potsed earlier.

As for the sugar beet (SB) workings, my guess is these Oct-Dec annual arrangements will fall outside this SBBC review and exisitng consolidation points will still apply. That said any local building work or development may impact in due course on a loading site at a particular location, but that is for the future.

Take for example Cugy. Wagonload will go, but I have not seen any there on my visits over the last couple of years. The SB loading uses two lines that run through the station car park and operate for 2/3 day blocks as required through the October-December season, when the car park is closed to regulars for those specified dates, so for me there will be no change there for SB loading. Domdidier is another nearby location in the same category where the line next to the loading dock is used. Wagonload has gone but SB will still be seen and served via Avenches, the local consolidation & loading point north of Payerne.

Thanks to both Gordon and KP for their respective inputs.

Regards,

Don

--- In SwissRail@yahoogroups.com, Gordon Wiseman <gordonwis@...> wrote:
The maps at the link below show the freight locations up to 8 December 2012 and from 9 December 2012.
http://www.sbbcargo.com/fr/offre/reseaux/recherche-point-de-desserte.html
Unfortunately a quick comparison isn’t possible. The advanced search which returns a list copyable into Excel is only available for the current service, which returns a total of 513 locations


New file uploaded to SwissRail

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Hello,

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File : /SBBC Wagonload Review 2012/2012-SBB-WLoad-Closures-Review-Edited.doc
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Description : Locations listed on SBB Cago site as at July

You can access this file at the URL:
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Re: SBB CFF Cargo locations

yatton123
 

--- In SwissRail@yahoogroups.com, Gordon Wiseman <gordonwis@...> wrote:

.
 
In searching the net to see if there was anything about sugar beet terminals for Don, I came across an interesting document for freight enthusiasts.
There's an article with a list of places losing their WLV service and those retaining theirs in the July Schweizer Eisenbahn-Revue.As Gordon has already noted some have already ceased receiving traffic.Another example is Murgenthal where Schwarz hauliers no longer receive container wagons.I expect others can give examples.
Gurtnellen retains the service,one or two wagons a week,for Schmelzmetall because there is no access to the site for lorries.
If anyone has difficulty finding a copy let me know.
KP


SBB CFF Cargo locations

gordonwis
 

.
 
In searching the net to see if there was anything about sugar beet terminals for Don, I came across an interesting document for freight enthusiasts.
 
We already know there are going to be changes (aka cuts) this winter which will start Switzerland down the slippery slope to similarity with other countries in terms of number of freight locations served.
The maps at the link below show the freight locations up to 8 December 2012 and from 9 December 2012.
http://www.sbbcargo.com/fr/offre/reseaux/recherche-point-de-desserte.html
Unfortunately a quick comparison isn’t possible. The advanced search which returns a list copyable into Excel is only available for the current service, which returns a total of 513 locations
The only think is to try and compare the maps.
Looking at the maps, curiously it doesn’t look like a huge cull of freight locations as suggested in other news/disscussions, although I have spotted a few missing from the ‘From December’ map. As it’s my ‘local area’ I noticed the situation around Genève. This has reduced from four (Geneve, La Plaine, Geneve La Praille and Vernier Meyrin Cargo) to two with the loss of Geneve and La Plaine.     However in practice freight activity is already non-existent at the latter two places.


Sugar Beet Traffic Query

Don
 

I have been trying to get closer to the sugar beet workings that are listed in the various Graphic Charts [* 68XXX]. Trunk services of empty and loaded wagons operate to/from consolidation points but they are in turn are served by local service points in many/some cases.

Having browsed the topics archive I noted Message 5163 12/9/2005 mentioned:
This map can be found in Schweizerische Eisenbahn Revue 8-9/2005, page 407. There is also a list of stations where sugar beets will
be loaded (p. 405).

Now that list may not be up to date but I guess there will not be that many new locations added since 2005 [but waht do I know!], so it would provide a good reference point from which to try and reach the above potential consolidation points and so on. So, can anyone help with a copy of the above list, please? You may want to contact me off-line.

Thanks in anticipation.

Cheers,

Don


Re: Street running freight - more details please

Andrew Moglestue
 

Yes, the Street Running freight to Swiss Mill is still very active. On a typical weekday you can expect three return trips. The first is often in the very early hours, but the third is often between 3.30pm and maybe 4:30 pm.

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