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Re: SBB Graphic Charts Code Query

John Beaulieu <beaulieu@...>
 

On 8/21/2012 4:11 AM, Don wrote:
Gents, Thanks for your respective replies.

John, my reference to Wiesbaden was obtained from the following image, the originator of which is pretty well informed on such matters from my understanding:

http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=375471&nseq=15

The image was taken in September 2011 and although the Train number was revised for 2012, I did see the German point of origin listed as WIB for both Trains on an SBB train list, so I put 2 and 2 together, hence my reference in the caption for my image earlier this year:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/lickeybanker/7310909388/in/set-72157629838130262

The trains are the same in terms of consist in my view. That said, I take your point about the lack of terminal at Wiesbaden. I am therefore still puzzled as to why WIB was listed for both services or was this an error?

My reference to B�nen, (Terminal @ Westerb�nen) was mentioned as this was the terminal referred to when an earlier image of mine was the subject of comment on UK's Freightmaster Forum. I was advised this Pomezia service was used to move traffic via B�nen and there was also traffic from/to Ditton included in the consist of the B�nen workings, that said it could have been a short term arrangement. I am not certain.
Don, after reading this follow up I checked the Rheintal May 2011 listing and it shows train DGS 41071 running in the same path down the Rechtsrheinstrecke on Tuesdays and Thursdays operated by TX Logistics from B�nen to Pomezia. There was no DGS 41075 listed and no third day operation for DGS 41071. My guess is the increase in traffic may have exceeded the available capacity at B�nen and the origin terminal was shifted to Rheinhausen. A likely reason for two different train symbols running in what is the same path is that at some point in their travels their paths are not the same. For these two symbols the likely variance is between Frankfurt and Mannheim, I would bet that one symbol is routed via the Reidbahn, while the other is routed via the Main-Neckar Bahn. The train schedules are collated by Volunteers and the only two to consistently appear are those for the Rheintal and the Maintal. I have one for the Main-Neckar Bahn from 2008 but it isn't any help since neither train symbol appears before 2011.

John Beaulieu


Re: SBB Graphic Charts Code Query

Don
 

Gents, Thanks for your respective replies.

John, my reference to Wiesbaden was obtained from the following image, the originator of which is pretty well informed on such matters from my understanding:

http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=375471&nseq=15

The image was taken in September 2011 and although the Train number was revised for 2012, I did see the German point of origin listed as WIB for both Trains on an SBB train list, so I put 2 and 2 together, hence my reference in the caption for my image earlier this year:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/lickeybanker/7310909388/in/set-72157629838130262

The trains are the same in terms of consist in my view. That said, I take your point about the lack of terminal at Wiesbaden. I am therefore still puzzled as to why WIB was listed for both services or was this an error?

My reference to Bönen, (Terminal @ Westerbönen) was mentioned as this was the terminal referred to when an earlier image of mine was the subject of comment on UK's Freightmaster Forum. I was advised this Pomezia service was used to move traffic via Bönen and there was also traffic from/to Ditton included in the consist of the Bönen workings, that said it could have been a short term arrangement. I am not certain.

The above point therefore ties in with Glenn's observation that the two sets of numbers identify workings from/to two German terminals. For me that fits, so maybe there is still Bönen traffic on set days, hence the two sets of Train numbers? One set for the Rheinhausen working and the other for the included Bönen traffic, maybe?

On the point raised about the * marker, I had not mentioned that aspect as it was not a prime consideration in my query. It was the origin/destination confirmation for Germany I was interested in. As far as the option for an either terminal served train on a Sunday I would have thought a different set of Train numbers would have been applied with an F suffix to denote an `as required' element. It is also interesting that neither of the possible Gotthard Sunday workings is included in the Rhine table, so does it run via a different route or is the SBB Graphic code incorrect or simply out of date? Has anyone seen one of the listed Sunday trains this year?

Cheers,

Don

--- In SwissRail@yahoogroups.com, Guerbetaler <muesche2-swissrail@...> wrote:

Am 20.08.2012 10:58, schrieb Don:
Day code 678* = 2467 = TuThSaSuO and Day code 357* = 357 = WFSuO.
You forgot the asterisk *. It denotes seasonal restrictions. These
restriction cannot be found in the Graphic timetable. Thus the
indication reads as follows:

The train is 41071 if running on Tuesdays, Thursdays and Saturdays but
is train 41075 if running on Wednesdays and Fridays. On Sundays it can
be either 41071 or 41075.

This was the definition in December 2011, it may have changed since.

Markus, Gürbetal


Re: SBB Graphic Charts Code Query

OL.Guerbetal
 

Am 20.08.2012 10:58, schrieb Don:
Day code 678* = 2467 = TuThSaSuO and Day code 357* = 357 = WFSuO.
You forgot the asterisk *. It denotes seasonal restrictions. These restriction cannot be found in the Graphic timetable. Thus the indication reads as follows:

The train is 41071 if running on Tuesdays, Thursdays and Saturdays but is train 41075 if running on Wednesdays and Fridays. On Sundays it can be either 41071 or 41075.

This was the definition in December 2011, it may have changed since.

Markus, G�rbetal


Re: SBB Graphic Charts Code Query

John Beaulieu <beaulieu@...>
 

On 8/20/2012 9:52 AM, Don wrote:
John,

Many thanks for the link, that is most useful and clearly Duisburg Rheinhausen is further north than my previously listed origins. Maybe, there is traffic from/to the other terminals? So, from a Gotthard point of view 41071/72 run TuThSO and 41070/5 WFO. There is no Sunday working and it is my reading of the codes that is in error.

Cheers,

Don
Don clearly B�nen is as far north as the Rheinhausen terminal and trains from there would take the Rhein Valley route. I believe that the B�nen Terminal is exclusive to DHL as it is right next to their parcel terminal for the Rhein-Ruhr conurbation. There is to my knowledge no IM terminal at Wiesbaden, the closest is Frankfurt-H�chst (also known as Frankfurt F.I.T.)which is much closer to Frankfurt than to Wiesbaden. What kind of traffic do you see on those trains? Mixed or mostly one customer?

John Beaulieu


Re: SBB Graphic Charts Code Query

Don
 

John,

Many thanks for the link, that is most useful and clearly Duisburg Rheinhausen is further north than my previously listed origins. Maybe, there is traffic from/to the other terminals? So, from a Gotthard point of view 41071/72 run TuThSO and 41070/5 WFO. There is no Sunday working and it is my reading of the codes that is in error.

Cheers,

Don

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Don Drehschiebe Online's newly released charts for the Rhein Valley
show 41071 and 41075 as originating at Duisburg Rheinhausen with 4171
heading south across midnight on Fr/Sa.
On Tuesday and Thursday 41071 passes Linz heading south just after
Midnight, while 41075 uses the same path down the Rhein on Wednesday and
Friday mornings. Both are shown as TXL workings. Hope this helps.


Re: SBB Graphic Charts Code Query

John Beaulieu <beaulieu@...>
 

On 8/20/2012 3:58 AM, Don wrote:
I have a query on a set of workings between Germany and Italy via the Gotthard (SBB Graphic Charts G531 & 541), namely Trains 41071/41072 (678*) and 41075/41070 (357*). They are TXL intermodals using MRCE Dispolok traction.

My reading of the codes for the days of operation along the Gotthard produced:

Day code 678* = 2467 = TuThSaSuO and Day code 357* = 357 = WFSuO.

Now, assuming I am not in error, it appears odd to me that both pairs of trains are shown to work on Sunday along the same timing paths! That cannot be the case, so can anyone help to clarify, please?

Thanks in anticipation,

Don



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Don Drehschiebe Online's newly released charts for the Rhein Valley show 41071 and 41075 as originating at Duisburg Rheinhausen with 4171 heading south across midnight on Fr/Sa.
On Tuesday and Thursday 41071 passes Linz heading south just after Midnight, while 41075 uses the same path down the Rhein on Wednesday and Friday mornings. Both are shown as TXL workings. Hope this helps.

http://www.drehscheibe-online.de/ds_redaktion/anlagen/527-rheintal12_ds.pdf

John Beaulieu


Re: SBB Graphic Charts Code Query

glenn allen
 

I have a query on a set of workings between Germany and Italy via the
Gotthard (SBB Graphic Charts G531 & 541), namely Trains 41071/41072
(678*) and 41075/41070 (357*). They are TXL intermodals using MRCE
Dispolok traction.

My reading of the codes for the days of operation along the Gotthard
produced:

Day code 678* = 2467 = TuThSaSuO and Day code 357* = 357 = WFSuO.

Now, assuming I am not in error, it appears odd to me that both pairs
of trains are shown to work on Sunday along the same timing paths!
That cannot be the case, so can anyone help to clarify, please?
Could it be that they are pathways allowing for the train to be sent to/received from one of 2 destinations as required by traffic arrangements?


SBB Graphic Charts Code Query

Don
 

I have a query on a set of workings between Germany and Italy via the Gotthard (SBB Graphic Charts G531 & 541), namely Trains 41071/41072 (678*) and 41075/41070 (357*). They are TXL intermodals using MRCE Dispolok traction.

My reading of the codes for the days of operation along the Gotthard produced:

Day code 678* = 2467 = TuThSaSuO and Day code 357* = 357 = WFSuO.

Now, assuming I am not in error, it appears odd to me that both pairs of trains are shown to work on Sunday along the same timing paths! That cannot be the case, so can anyone help to clarify, please?

Thanks in anticipation,

Don


New line Oensingen-Niederbipp

Martin Baumann <martinbaumann112@...>
 

Although the ASm line from Oensingen to Niederbipp will not see timetabled trains until 9th December it will be possible to travel on the line on 19th and 20th October as part of ceromonies marking its completion.
 
See  http://www.asmobil.ch/umsetzung.html


Re: [RhB] Collision with Allegra 3504

OL.Guerbetal
 

Am 16.08.2012 21:38, schrieb Don:
Most automatic level crossings are in rural areas, and are of the
half barrier type, where the barrier is on the side of the road used
by approaching traffic (i.e. the left in the UK). These are the types
of crossing which are most widely abused, by impatient motorists
weaving round the barriers.
this is why half barriers are very seldom in Switzerland.

Apart from museum railways there are no manually operated barriers left in Switzerland. They were replaced by automatic devices after a bad accident in the Z�rich-Oberland region where a train had hit a coach on a level crossing, where the signaller had forgotten to close the barriers. I'm not aware of obstacle detection in Switzerland.

Markus, G�rbetal


Re: [RhB] Collision with Allegra 3504

tudor erich
 

Don <donnewing@me.com> wrote:
In the UK, the full barrier type of crossing as installed at Davos...
Many thanks,
 
Bernard


Re: [RhB] Collision with Allegra 3504

Don Newing
 

--- In SwissRail@yahoogroups.com, tudoryork <tudoryork@...> wrote:

Swiss trains tend to be fast and short, so people don't much mind
waiting for them. US trains tend to be slow and long, so some
people get in the habit of trying to beat them.
And what is the situation in the UK?
 
Bernard
In the UK, the full barrier type of crossing as installed at Davos is mostly used where the crossing is controlled by a signaller (the official non sexist term for a signalman/signalwoman), and the signals controlling the train will only be cleared after he/she has observed (either directly or by closed circuit television) that the barriers are down and nobody trapped between. A recently introduced alteration, not yet widely applied, which can be operated automatically, uses obstacle detection to prove the crossing clear of road vehicles.

Most automatic level crossings are in rural areas, and are of the half barrier type, where the barrier is on the side of the road used by approaching traffic (i.e. the left in the UK). These are the types of crossing which are most widely abused, by impatient motorists weaving round the barriers.

For those who want the technical details of UK applications, see the Office of the Rail Regulator's web site:

http://www.rail-reg.gov.uk/server/show/nav.1647

and download the PDF of guidance on level crossings. This is a government web site with lots more publicly accessible information on railways should you wish to explore it.

Don Newing


Re: [RhB] Collision with Allegra 3504

Gerald Hepworth <get2hep@...>
 

In the UK trains also tend to be fast and short, doesn't stop the idiots trying
to race them though.


Re: [RhB] Collision with Allegra 3504

tudor erich
 

Swiss trains tend to be fast and short, so people don't much mind
waiting for them. US trains tend to be slow and long, so some
people get in the habit of trying to beat them.
And what is the situation in the UK?
 
Bernard


Re: [RhB] Collision with Allegra 3504

George Raymond
 

Swiss trains tend to be fast and short, so people don't much mind waiting
for them. US trains tend to be slow and long, so some people get in the
habit of trying to beat them.

George


Re: [RhB] Collision with Allegra 3504

bty506661
 

--- In SwissRail@yahoogroups.com, bs177@... wrote:



--- In SwissRail@yahoogroups.com, tudoryork <tudoryork@> wrote:

I do hope British drivers don`t do this often.....
 
Bernard
They manage it on a regular basis in the UK despite hard hitting TV adverts, so why not spread their stupidity around for a change!! :-)

Bruce
It's hard to tell what nation has more brain spasms as they approach level crossings, the British or the Americans....


Re: [RhB] Collision with Allegra 3504

bs177@...
 

--- In SwissRail@yahoogroups.com, tudoryork <tudoryork@...> wrote:

I do hope British drivers don`t do this often.....
 
Bernard
They manage it on a regular basis in the UK despite hard hitting TV adverts, so why not spread their stupidity around for a change!! :-)

Bruce


Re: [RhB] Collision with Allegra 3504

Max Wyss
 

Is that standard procedure in Britain?
This is so; they now get voice warnings (besides flashing lights,
bells, etc.)… http://www.railwaygazette.com/news/single-view/view/level-crossing-voice-warnings.html

Max.


Re: [RhB] Collision with Allegra 3504

John Lovda
 

Is that standard procedure in Britain?


Re: [RhB] Collision with Allegra 3504

tudor erich
 

I do hope British drivers don`t do this often.....
 
Bernard

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