I have a query on a set of workings between Germany and Italy via the
Gotthard (SBB Graphic Charts G531 & 541), namely Trains 41071/41072
(678*) and 41075/41070 (357*). They are TXL intermodals using MRCE
Dispolok traction.

My reading of the codes for the days of operation along the Gotthard
produced:

Day code 678* = 2467 = TuThSaSuO and Day code 357* = 357 = WFSuO.

Now, assuming I am not in error, it appears odd to me that both pairs
of trains are shown to work on Sunday along the same timing paths!
That cannot be the case, so can anyone help to clarify, please?

Could it be that they are pathways allowing for the train to be sent to/received from one of 2 destinations as required by traffic arrangements?

I have a query on a set of workings between Germany and Italy via the Gotthard (SBB Graphic Charts G531 & 541), namely Trains 41071/41072 (678*) and 41075/41070 (357*). They are TXL intermodals using MRCE Dispolok traction.

My reading of the codes for the days of operation along the Gotthard produced:

Day code 678* = 2467 = TuThSaSuO and Day code 357* = 357 = WFSuO.

Now, assuming I am not in error, it appears odd to me that both pairs of trains are shown to work on Sunday along the same timing paths! That cannot be the case, so can anyone help to clarify, please?

Thanks in anticipation,

Don

Although the ASm line from Oensingen to Niederbipp will not see timetabled trains until 9th December it will be possible to travel on the line on 19th and 20th October as part of ceromonies marking its completion.
 
See  http://www.asmobil.ch/umsetzung.html

Am 16.08.2012 21:38, schrieb Don:

Most automatic level crossings are in rural areas, and are of the
half barrier type, where the barrier is on the side of the road used
by approaching traffic (i.e. the left in the UK). These are the types
of crossing which are most widely abused, by impatient motorists
weaving round the barriers.

this is why half barriers are very seldom in Switzerland.

Apart from museum railways there are no manually operated barriers left in Switzerland. They were replaced by automatic devices after a bad accident in the Z�rich-Oberland region where a train had hit a coach on a level crossing, where the signaller had forgotten to close the barriers. I'm not aware of obstacle detection in Switzerland.

Markus, G�rbetal

Don <donnewing@me.com> wrote:

In the UK, the full barrier type of crossing as installed at Davos...

Many thanks,
 
Bernard

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Swiss trains tend to be fast and short, so people don't much mind
waiting for them. US trains tend to be slow and long, so some
people get in the habit of trying to beat them.

And what is the situation in the UK?
 
Bernard

In the UK, the full barrier type of crossing as installed at Davos is mostly used where the crossing is controlled by a signaller (the official non sexist term for a signalman/signalwoman), and the signals controlling the train will only be cleared after he/she has observed (either directly or by closed circuit television) that the barriers are down and nobody trapped between. A recently introduced alteration, not yet widely applied, which can be operated automatically, uses obstacle detection to prove the crossing clear of road vehicles.

Most automatic level crossings are in rural areas, and are of the half barrier type, where the barrier is on the side of the road used by approaching traffic (i.e. the left in the UK). These are the types of crossing which are most widely abused, by impatient motorists weaving round the barriers.

For those who want the technical details of UK applications, see the Office of the Rail Regulator's web site:

http://www.rail-reg.gov.uk/server/show/nav.1647

and download the PDF of guidance on level crossings. This is a government web site with lots more publicly accessible information on railways should you wish to explore it.

Don Newing

In the UK trains also tend to be fast and short, doesn't stop the idiots trying
to race them though.

Swiss trains tend to be fast and short, so people don't much mind
waiting for them. US trains tend to be slow and long, so some
people get in the habit of trying to beat them.

And what is the situation in the UK?
 
Bernard

Swiss trains tend to be fast and short, so people don't much mind waiting
for them. US trains tend to be slow and long, so some people get in the
habit of trying to beat them.

George

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I do hope British drivers don`t do this often.....
 
Bernard

They manage it on a regular basis in the UK despite hard hitting TV adverts, so why not spread their stupidity around for a change!! :-)

Bruce

It's hard to tell what nation has more brain spasms as they approach level crossings, the British or the Americans....

--- In SwissRail@yahoogroups.com, tudoryork <tudoryork@...> wrote:

I do hope British drivers don`t do this often.....
 
Bernard

They manage it on a regular basis in the UK despite hard hitting TV adverts, so why not spread their stupidity around for a change!! :-)

Bruce

Is that standard procedure in Britain?

This is so; they now get voice warnings (besides flashing lights,
bells, etc.)… http://www.railwaygazette.com/news/single-view/view/level-crossing-voice-warnings.html

Max.

Is that standard procedure in Britain?

I do hope British drivers don`t do this often.....
 
Bernard

A British car driver didn't note blinking signals and the barriers of a Davos level crossing. He was finally caught between the barriers, but instead of putting the first gear and driving out, he left his car. Now he has to buy a new one and pay quite an enormous damage on RhB infrastructure plus a little damage on Allegra 3504. Allegras are quite robust because they are articulated locomotives.

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Markus, Gürbetal

Is the EN273/EN274 service in question a conventional sleeper train or the Talgo Tren Hotel?

It's a Talgo.

Max.

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"Eisenbahn Amateur" reports EN273/EN274 Barcelona-Zurich and
return will cease at the December 2012 timetable change

A single-bed compartment cost about the same as flying.

And your saved the cost of a night in a hotel.

Is the EN273/EN274 service in question a conventional sleeper train or the Talgo Tren Hotel?

On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 8:40 PM, Max Wyss <max@prodok.com> wrote:

It is speculation, but there is nevertheless
a chance that the trains may come back when those works are done.

I don't know. Somewhere in the next two years or so a direct TGV
Geneve - Barcelona is supposed to start running.

Krist

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On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 5:53 PM, csipromo <csipromo@yahoo.com> wrote:

With the introduction of the new TGV line from Strasbourg to Marseilles, the SNCF probably wants to move the customers to this new service. The TGVs will be connecting to the main north-south line near Dijon.
The TGV service from Zuerich will also be taking this route and transferring it's Paris Terminal from Gare de l'Est to Gare de Lyon.

I'm a bit puzzled. What does this have to do with the Zürich -
Barcelona night train?

Krist

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The Talgo service has little connection with the new LGV Rhin Rhone, nor the French, as it does not run for the benefit of French passengers and has no commercial stops in France. The LGV Rhine Rhone serves two distinct purposes, northeast - southern France and Paris - central Switzerland, essentially disparate services. As has already been said, Paris - Switzerland services already switched to the LGV Rhin Rhone route (departing from Paris Gare de Lyon) in December 2011.