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Re: Ae 6/6 changes

Martin Baumann
 

11465 in service in Basel area today

Martin Baumann


Re: Ae 6/6 changes

Stefan Dringenberg
 

Gordon wrote on 18 Dec 2012:

In the listings, what does not help for English speakers is that `Abbruch'
is used often in the listings but the word is given various English
definitions in my German dictionary, including both `demolition' and
stopped'.
In the given context the word "Abbruch" means "demolition".

HTH
Stefan, native speaker ;)


Re: Ae 6/6 changes

gordonwis
 

First a small plea: please can we keep reports of Ae6/6 movements in this thread, not that it has been established.

11512 was working on 13 December, one correspondent states seeing 11404 in use four days prior to it being withdrawn (stated as 17/12)

The following were reported for Monday 17/12:

610 486 at St Gallen Winkeln on aggregates working
11473 worked freight Bern - Lausanne- Triage A/B.
11424 was seen working at Badischer Bahnhof (on the same type of move as 512 on Thursday 13/12

Today 18/12:
RBL
11427, 11430, 11479, 11513 und 11520
All in the depot area switched on, i.e. ready for operation at any time
At the time this was viewed, an unidentified Cargo liveried lok returned from a job.

The gen for all this comes from Bahnforum CH, but the situation with Ae6/6 reporting is somewhat confused with information taken from the SBB systems seemingly sometimes conflicting with information on the ground.

In the listings, what does not help for English speakers is that `Abbruch' is used often in the listings but the word is given various English definitions in my German dictionary, including both `demolition' and stopped'.

Easier to be clear about in English is Abgestellt which has only one definition in most German dictionaries – ie stopped/turned off.

To make things clear (even in German) one Bahnforum contributor requested a list showing perhaps just two categories (available for use and not available for use (!)). Unfortunately this request has not yet been taken up by those with access to the SBBC operations computer networks.

Of course none of this is uncommon on railways when a type of vehicle comes to the end of its service life, but it seems more haphazard than is usual for Switzerland. As I recall (although I may not be recalling accurately of course) when the end of service came for the previous big batches of `oldies' Ae3/6 and Ae4/7 fleets were stopped `cleanly' in one fell swoop.


Ae 6/6 changes update 18.12.2012

Martin Baumann
 

--- In SwissRail@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baumann wrote:

>>11427 out of service compressor failed

11427 status changed to available for use

>> 11479 WITHDRAWN date uncertain

11479 now quoted as available for use


Reports from Bahnforum.ch comcerning loco status need to be verified from other sources, especially locos reported as permanently withdrawn

Martin Baumann


Re: Ae 6/6 changes UPDATE

Martin Baumann
 

610 486 was noted in service today.BAHNFORUM withdrawal report incorrect

Martin Baumann


Ae 6/6 changes UPDATE

Martin Baumann
 

610 482 and 610 492 are both withdrawn and awaiting disposal at Lausanne Triage


Ae 6/6 changes

Martin Baumann
 

As of 17.12.2012. The following was reported on Bahnforum.ch. I cannot vouch for its accuracy. 11424, reported as stored at Däniken, was in fact working a freight through Basel Badischer Bahnhof at 1415 today


11404 WITHDRAWN 17.12.2012
11419 Stopped 17.12.2012 stored Däniken
610 420 Stopped 17.12.2012 stored Däniken
11424 Stopped 17.12.2012 stored Däniken
11426 ordered to be stopped on 19.12.2012
11427 out of service compressor failed
11430 available for use
11438 WITHDRAWN date uncertain
610 439 stored serviceable
11440 derailed in Schwerzenbach in November, out of service there
11446 WITHDRAWN date uncertain
11453 available for use
11455 stored in Brugg
610 463 available for use
11464 available for use
11465 stored, location unknown
11470 available for use
11473 available for use
11479 WITHDRAWN date uncertain
610 482 available for use
11485 available for use
610 486 WITHDRAWN date uncertain
11488 available for use
610 492 available for use
11495 ordered to be stored at Däniken on 20.12.2012
610 496 available for use
11501 available for use
11502 available for use
11507 WITHDRAWN date uncertain
11512 available for use
11513 available for use
11514 WITHDRAWN date uncertain
11515 stored, location unknown
11517 stored, location unknown
11518 WITHDRAWN date uncertain
610 519 available for use
11520 available for use


Timelapse

Dave Edmondston <davee@...>
 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5B4YvfvhYLA

Just in case you've missed it, it's worth watching. Ten mins of speeded up film west of Deitikon.


Re: Re482 work query

bs177@...
 

One used to go from Muttenz to Olten Hammer or Rothrist and back Mon-Fri but I do not know if it still runs. That is the only freight working I was aware of.

Cheers

Bruce


Re482 work query

gordonwis
 

Seeing the mention of Re482, it strikes me that I haven’t seen one operating within Switzerland for ages. The most recent 482 I saw was on a trip to bash French diesels in June when we took a day excursion round Germany and saw one during a phot session south of Karlsruhe.
Do any 482 do internal Swiss work at present?  

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Re: Crossrail Motive Power Operational Queries

Guerbetaler
 

Am 13.12.2012 10:11, schrieb csipromo:
I was not aware that the Re 436 were the only ones authorized for
NBS/LBT travel. Was this always the case or did the sublet SBB Re 482
through RAG have ETCS and NBS clearance?
None of the Re 482 have been fitted with ETCS so far. The BLS Re 485 and 10 DB 185, which are all of the same type, have been fitted.

Of the multi-current locomotives, the 10 BLS Re 486, the 12 SBB Re 474 and 10 of the Re 484 have been fitted with ETCS so far.

When the new Gotthard tunnel will open, all modern units will need ETCS. But at that time it should be possible to go without EuroZUB, because all lines will be fitted with ETCS L1 Limited Supervision.

Markus, G�rbetal


Re: Crossrail Motive Power Operational Queries

Don
 

--- In SwissRail@yahoogroups.com, Guerbetaler <muesche2-swissrail@...> wrote:

From what I could find out today, this is still true.
Many thanks Markus most helpful.


Re: Observations new timetable.

gordonwis
 

Cheers for your great work Keith (it's not what you know by who you know…).

At the same time:

I did a very rough calculation in my head and came to the conclusion that there are not quite enough of the new double deck EMUs to cover everything around Lake Geneva. In my own mind I had suspected that high peak rush hour turns might survive as Re4/4II.

This is supported by the data on Reisezuege.ch, which does indeed show that the high peak turn Genève- Nyon survives (unbalanced – see below).

It seems that one St Maurice turn has been married up with a Lausanne – Geneve working giving a through train St Maurice – Genève, a fair old distance for banger stock. Pretty logical in my view.

Indeed this is a very interesting train as it raises the prospect for anyone staying anywhere along Lake Geneva of flying to Genève and taking the evening `real train' all the way round the lake to their accommodation!

Not only that but it runs non stop between Lausanne and Genève – the first non stop run on this route with old coaches for many years!

Usual disclaimers for the following data which has been compiled in haste – warning there may be gaps!

Also – Reisezuege ch does not of course include services below RE status so there may still be Re4/4II on some odd R and S workings such as the Lausanne – Vallorbe rush hour extras

Re4/4II workings (RE status and above) according to Reisezuge ch:

Starting with (for me at least) the most interesting and oddities:

Most of these are the peak hour extras into obvious main centres of employment (Basel, Bern, Zurich, Lausanne and Geneve). Most of them cover just the absolute busiest commuter times, departing from origin between 0600 and 0730, and returning outbound between 1700 and 1800

St Maurice – Lausanne (4 each way)
Neuchatel – Lausanne (2 each way)
St Maurice – Genève Aeroport (1 each way)
Genève – Nyon (2). This is unbalanced. There appears to be no morning inbound equivalent
Rorschach – Zürich (0627 ex Rorschach – double headed Re4/4II)
Zürich – St Gallen (1)
Bern – Olten 1 each way
Bern – Spiez (1) no return showing
Basel – Luzern (2 out 1 back)
Luzern – Zürich (2 out 3 back)

Other workings including odd `one-off' (usually positioning) workings:

Zürich – Bern (IR2026 1357 Zürich – Bern Tues – Fri RE460 double headed with Re4/4II)
Bellinzona – Locarno (1)
Zurich – Brig (1 CNL each way)
Zurich – Buchs (2 NZ each way)
Vallorbe – Domodossola (2 NZ each way)
Luzern – Chiasso (1 each way) – previously ETR470


Other routes:

Bern – Biel 3 each way
Brig – Domodossola (4 each way)
Brig – Geneve Aeroport (2 each way)
Zurich – Chiasso 2 or 3 each way
Zurich – Schaffhausen 3 each way
Chur – Zurich 4 or 5 each way


Routes with the majority of service Re4/4II:

Zurich – Basel and vv (around 20 trains each way)
Basel/Zürich – Bellinzona/Locarno and vv
Chur – St Gallen (14 each way)


The full list:

90
Zürich HB Basel SBB
EC 96
Chur Basel SBB
EC 113
Zürich HB Chiasso
EC 114
Chiasso Zürich HB
EC 153
Luzern Chiasso
EC 158
Chiasso Luzern
IC 183
Schaffhausen Zürich HB
IC 184
Zürich HB Schaffhausen
NZ 220
Domodossola Vallorbe
NZ 221
Vallorbe Domodossola
IC 281
Schaffhausen Zürich HB
IC 282
Zürich HB Schaffhausen
CNL 458
Basel SBB Zürich HB
CNL 459
Zürich HB Basel SBB
EN 464
Buchs SG Zürich HB
EN 465
Zürich HB Buchs SG
EN 466
Buchs SG Zürich HB
EN 467
Zürich HB Buchs SG
CNL 479
Basel SBB Zürich HB
IC 558
Chur Basel SBB
IC 589
Zürich HB Chur
IC 595
Zürich HB Chur
IC 768
Zürich HB Basel SBB
IC 771
Basel SBB Zürich HB
IC 774
Zürich HB Basel SBB
IC 775
Basel SBB Zürich HB
IC 780
Zürich HB Basel SBB
IC 786
Zürich HB Basel SBB
IC 797
Basel SBB Zürich HB
CNL 1177
Zürich HB Brig
CNL 1178
Brig Zürich HB
EC 1290
St. Margrethen Zürich HB
EC 1291
Zürich HB St. Margrethen
EC 1293
Zürich HB St. Margrethen
IR 1403
Genève Aéroport Brig
IR 1412
St. Maurice Genève Aéroport
IR 1417
Genève Aéroport Brig
IR 1418
Brig Genève Aéroport
IR 1429
Genève Aéroport St. Maurice
IR 1444
Brig Genève Aéroport
IR 1446
Brig Genève
IR 1483
Bern Spiez
IR 1537
Lausanne Neuchâtel
IR 1541
Lausanne Neuchâtel
IR 1606
Neuchâtel Lausanne
IR 1610
Neuchâtel Lausanne
IR 1760
Zürich HB Basel SBB
IR 1767
Basel SBB Chur
IR 1769
Basel SBB Chur
IR 1770
Zürich HB Basel SBB
IR 1772
Chur Basel SBB
IR 1773
Basel SBB Zürich HB
IR 1774
Zürich HB Basel SBB
IR 1775
Basel SBB Chur
IR 1778
Zürich HB Basel SBB
IR 1779
Basel SBB Zürich HB
IR 1781
Basel SBB Chur
IR 1784
Zürich HB Basel SBB
IR 1785
Basel SBB Chur
IR 1787
Basel SBB Chur
IR 1799
Basel SBB Zürich HB
IR 1956
Zürich HB Basel SBB
IR 1957
Basel SBB Zürich HB
IR 1960
Zürich HB Basel SBB
IR 1961
Basel SBB Zürich HB
IR 1962
Zürich HB Basel SBB
IR 1967
Basel SBB Zürich HB
IR 1968
Zürich HB Basel SBB
IR 1969
Basel SBB Zürich HB
IR 1973
Basel SBB Zürich HB
IR 1974
Zürich HB Basel SBB
IR 1975
Basel SBB Zürich HB
IR 1976
Zürich HB Basel SBB
IR 1979
Basel SBB Zürich HB
IR 1980
Zürich HB Basel SBB
IR 1981
Basel SBB Zürich HB
IR 1982
Zürich HB Basel SBB
IR 1987
Basel SBB Zürich HB
IR 1988
Zürich HB Basel SBB
IR 1989
Basel SBB Zürich HB
IR 1990
Zürich HB Basel SBB
IR 1993
Basel SBB Zürich HB
IR 2002
Olten Bern
IR 2026
Zürich HB Bern
IR 2151
Basel SBB Luzern
IR 2155
Bellinzona Locarno
IR 2159
Basel SBB Locarno
IR 2163
Basel SBB Locarno
IR 2165
Basel SBB Locarno
IR 2166
Bellinzona Basel SBB
IR 2169
Basel SBB Locarno
IR 2170
Chiasso Basel SBB
IR 2173
Basel SBB Locarno
IR 2174
Locarno Basel SBB
IR 2177
Basel SBB Locarno
IR 2178
Locarno Basel SBB
IR 2181
Basel SBB Locarno
IR 2182
Locarno Basel SBB
IR 2185
Basel SBB Chiasso
IR 2186
Locarno Basel SBB
IR 2190
Locarno Basel SBB
IR 2193
Basel SBB Luzern
IR 2194
Locarno Basel SBB
IR 2257
Zürich HB Locarno
IR 2261
Zürich HB Chiasso
IR 2272
Locarno Zürich HB
IR 2275
Zürich HB Locarno
IR 2276
Locarno Zürich HB
IR 2279
Zürich HB Locarno
IR 2283
Zürich HB Chiasso
IR 2286
Chiasso Zürich HB
IR 2292
Locarno Zürich HB
IR 2296
Locarno Zürich HB
IR 2454
Luzern Basel SBB
IR 2559
Schaffhausen Zürich HB
IR 2592
Zürich HB Schaffhausen
IR 2809
Brig Domodossola
IR 2812
Domodossola Brig
IR 2813
Brig Domodossola
IR 2814
Domodossola Brig
IR 2819
Brig Domodossola
IR 2824
Domodossola Brig
IR 2828
Domodossola Brig
IR 2831
Brig Domodossola
RE 2951
Bern Biel/Bienne
RE 2952
Biel/Bienne Bern
RE 2957
Bern Biel/Bienne
RE 2958
Biel/Bienne Bern
RE 2963
Bern Biel/Bienne
RE 2964
Biel/Bienne Bern
RE 3249
Bern Olten
IR 3508
Luzern Zürich HB
IR 3514
Luzern Zürich HB
IR 3535
Zürich HB Luzern
IR 3537
Zürich HB Luzern
IR 3539
Zürich HB Luzern
RE 3803
St. Gallen Chur
RE 3805
St. Gallen Chur
RE 3807
St. Gallen Chur
RE 3809
St. Gallen Chur
IR 3810
Rorschach Zürich HB
RE 3811
St. Gallen Chur
RE 3812
Sargans St. Gallen
RE 3815
St. Gallen Chur
RE 3816
Chur St. Gallen
RE 3817
St. Gallen Chur
RE 3818
Chur St. Gallen
RE 3819
St. Gallen Chur
RE 3820
Chur St. Gallen
RE 3821
St. Gallen Chur
RE 3822
Chur St. Gallen
RE 3823
St. Gallen Chur
RE 3824
Chur St. Gallen
RE 3825
St. Gallen Chur
RE 3826
Chur St. Gallen
RE 3827
St. Gallen Chur
RE 3828
Chur St. Gallen
RE 3829
St. Gallen Chur
RE 3830
Chur St. Gallen
IR 3831
Zürich HB St. Gallen
RE 3832
Chur St. Gallen
RE 3833
St. Gallen Sargans
RE 3834
Chur St. Gallen
RE 3835
St. Gallen Chur
RE 3836
Chur St. Gallen
RE 3837
St. Gallen Sargans
RE 3838
Chur St. Gallen
RE 3840
Chur St. Gallen
RE 3842
Chur St. Gallen
RE 3844
Sargans St. Gallen
RE 4050
St. Maurice Lausanne
RE 4051
Lausanne St. Maurice
RE 4060
St. Maurice Lausanne
RE 4061
Genève Nyon
RE 4064
St. Maurice Lausanne
RE 4067
Genève Nyon
RE 4075
Lausanne St. Maurice
RE 4079
Lausanne St. Maurice
RE 4092
St. Maurice Lausanne
RE 4093
Lausanne St. Maurice
IC 10759
Zürich HB Chur
IC 10761
Zürich HB Chur
IC 10765
Zürich HB Chur
IC 10788
Chur Zürich HB
IC 10790
Chur Zürich HB
IC 10792
Chur Zürich HB
IR 11844
Genève Aéroport Genève
RE 25039
Bellinzona Chiasso


Re: Cressier refinery to resume production

Theo van Riet
 

At 20:39 +0100 10-12-12, Guerbetaler wrote:


Am 04.07.2012 18:28, schrieb Guerbetaler:
The 270 workers of the Cressier refinery are called back to work for
mid-July.
In addition to this, today's newspapers wrote, that the refinery was
sold for CHF 30m to Varo Energy, which allowed to cover 10% of the debts
of Petroplus Refining Cressier (the local subsidiary).
Isn't this the refinery rail connection where BLS was going to test its latest traxx locs with the "last mile diesel" ?
So they might get used in the end ?

Theo


Re: Crossrail Motive Power Operational Queries

csipromo
 

Crossrail has a number of Traxx type loks from different lessors, including Angel Trains/Alpha Trains, MRCE and CB Rail, which may include different security systems. I think that the MRCE were the oldest batch, followed by the CB Rail units and most recently by the Angel/Alpha Trains machines.

I was not aware that the Re 436 were the only ones authorized for NBS/LBT travel.
Was this always the case or did the sublet SBB Re 482 through RAG have ETCS and NBS clearance?

Regards

Mike C


Re: Observations new timetable.

Keith Hookham <keith47424@...>
 

Are you able to advise what the former St Maurice push-pull workings have
gone over to? Dominos sets or are they worked into the 511 turns in some
way? Cheers, Don


There is a St Maurice - Geneva am and return in evening which is Re420 and
it also appears to be that a St Maurice - Lausanne AM and PM return which
is Re420.
The diagrams will be worked through over the next few weeks and will be
published once I have sorted them. Please note that it will take a while
due to time of year etc etc.

--
Cheers Keith47424


Re: Crossrail Motive Power Operational Queries

OL.Guerbetal
 

Am 11.12.2012 18:59, schrieb Don:
Having had a browse back to postings in 2009, I am correct in my
understanding that Crossrail's Class Re 436 locomotives remain the
only ones in this open access operator's fleet fitted with ETCS
level 2 for Base Tunnel operations south of Spiez? Intermodals
hauled by the TRAXX machines must use the mountain line unless there
is a Class Re 436 to pilot the train?
From what I could find out today, this is still true. I also heard that Re 436 113 might be repaired for this reason.

I have noted a TRAXX locomotive parked at Thun when passing which I
assume was there for banking duties, is that still the system used?
Also, I recall seeing a 436 at Spiez a couple of years ago, so I
assume that was waiting to pilot a Crossrail hauled train through the
Base Tunnel?
I have seen Traxxes parked in Thun this year, yes, but wasn't in Thun during the last few days so can't speak for the new timetable.

Markus, G�rbetal


Cargo locomotives

OL.Guerbetal
 

It may be of interest, that train 50631/33 of Railcare, Daillens – Frauenfeld – Felsberg (over RhB tracks), is now towed by a BLS brownie, first sighting was Re 4/4 165. It seems that there is still no modern locomotive able to cope with 11 kV. It might be a simple software change, but any software change may cancel EBA approval...

Markus, Gürbetal


Re: Observations new timetable.

OL.Guerbetal
 

Am 12.12.2012 20:31, schrieb Guerbetaler:
Finally, last night, a Postal train and an empty FLIRT collided in
Lenzburg, resulting in delays between 10 and 30 min on most long
distance trains.

<http://www.20min.ch/schweiz/mittelland/story/Lenzburg-Aarau-nur-beschraenkt-befahrbar-10559417>
523 037 (ex 522 006) and 11277


Markus, G�rbetal


Re: Observations new timetable.

OL.Guerbetal
 

It has been a bit difficult, travelling through Switzerland, these days. Signal box failures, train and point defects because of the cold and icy weather have been one thing. Br�nigbahn closure between Brienz and Interlaken Ost was due to the first avalanche, which hit the road (but not the railway). All traffic had to be rerouted over the motorway on the other side of the lake of Brienz.

Finally, last night, a Postal train and an empty FLIRT collided in Lenzburg, resulting in delays between 10 and 30 min on most long distance trains.

<http://www.20min.ch/schweiz/mittelland/story/Lenzburg-Aarau-nur-beschraenkt-befahrbar-10559417>

Markus, G�rbetal

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