Date   

Re: Ae 6/6 changes

Martin Baumann
 

11463 (610 463) 11473 11479 WITHDRAWN TODAY

11501 WAITING FOR ATTENTION TO WHEELFLATS

11404 AWAITING SCRAP AT MÜNCHENSTEIN


Re: Ae 6/6 changes

gordonwis
 

.
 
RBL 10.30 today Friday 21/12 

Warm in the depot area awaiting use:
11427, 11470, 11515 und 11520 

In the 'parking roads' a UID green lok, also Warm

Stopped and cold in the storage roads Dietikon end 3 green loks awaiting their fate:

11473, 11479 and 11501

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


Re: FLIRT France now allowed in France...

Kidger Paul
 

Markus
 
Does this mean that services such as the S1 will now again be able to run through Basel.  Do I remember correctly that before the FLIRTs were introduced, this service did run through to Mulhouse.
I know that we have discussed this before, but what is the procedure for current changeover. I have seen the 15 and 25 indicators over Basel 'through' platform No 3. I assume that the trains must stop, isolate the transformer and drop the pantograph, change transformer primary tappings, wait for the voltage indicator to change, raise maybe a different pantograph, re energise the transformer and ready to go. Do you know if the rolling stock has protection facilities to guard against incorrect high tension systems being selected. 25 kV and 15kV is a lot less likely to be catastrophic than, for example the Bernina through trains with 11 kV AC and 1000 V DC on the centre 'through' platform at Pontresina and I presume certain 'exchange' tracks at St Moritz.
 
Paul Kidger


Re: Ae 6/6 changes

gordonwis
 

Maybe the road at Däniken really is warm (next to the post building?)
 
Presumably the arrival of the Twindexx stock will cause a new change round from 2014. Twindexx will presumably release a batch of Re460 - maybe some of them will become Cargo loks again. Of course relating to my previous post - of SBB stopped being so International the there would be enough 421s, 482s etc to replace the Ae6/6 for good!


Re: Preserved coaches repatriated to Switzerland

Dave Edmondston <davee@...>
 

On 20 Dec 2012, at 21:49, martinbaumann112 <martin98baumann@outlook.com> wrote:

Etzwilen
Does anything use that line currently? I've wondered about the state of it when I've driven over the parallel bridge to Stein-am-Rhein. Always meant to look but never had the time. There's always a pile of (withdrawn?) coaching stock hanging about at the south end.

Cheers,
Dave


Preserved coaches repatriated to Switzerland

Martin Baumann
 

5 ex SBB coaches have been returned to Switzerland by a new society associated with the Etzwillen-Singen line. They were in use on the SHM preserved line in Holland. Four are former Seetal line coaches built by SWS in 1949 or 1950 and the other is a Leichtstahlwagen restaurant car built by SWS in 1951. They were renumbered 61 to 65 by SHM:

61 ex SBB 50 85 28-03 019 (7720)
62 ex SBB 50 85 28-03 010 (7711)
63 ex SBB 50 85 28-03 009 (7710)
64 ex SBB 50 85 28-03 018 (7719)

65 ex SBB 50 85 88-33 108 (10119)

Martin Baumann


Re: Ae 6/6 changes

bs177@...
 

--- In SwissRail@yahoogroups.com, Gordon Wiseman <gordonwis@...> wrote:
419, 420, 424 488 were down to go to Däniken for store: status " Reserve für Herbstvekehr" (reserve for Autumn workings)
Can we expect a number of Re 4/4 (420 & 430) to transfer across from Passenger to Cargo now that class 511 have taken over in the South West?

One assumes also reading between the lines that a number of 610's will be retained (at Daniken?) in warm storage until the next sugar beet season after which there will be more Re4/4's available and the scrapman calls.

Seasons greetings to all

Bruce


Re: Ae 6/6 changes

gordonwis
 

Today’s Ae6/6 sightings (Dec 20)
11404 out of use at Basel GB, but 11502 was in use at Basel RB.
610 486 aggregates train at Affoltern am Albis.
419, 420, 424 488 were down to go to Däniken for store: status " Reserve für Herbstvekehr" (reserve for Autumn workings)
Having been hard at work for  2 -3 days in the new t/t  11473 was stopped today 20/12. Conversely 11427 suffered a compressor problem but has repaired and is available for use again.
Additional sighting from Monday 17/12:
11485 train 68654 at Kirchberg (BLS Burgdorf – Solothurn),

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


Re: Ae 6/6 changes

Martin Baumann
 

11473 was stopped this morning 11424 and 11488 are expected to be soon

Martin Baumann


FLIRT France now allowed in France...

OL.Guerbetal
 

StadlerRail and SBB have finally got approval for the second edition of the FLIRT France (RABe 522.2). SBB announced first use would be to Mulhouse. I wonder if they will also get to Frasne or not...

Markus, Gürbetal


Re: Ae 6/6 changes

gordonwis
 

More gen on Ae6/6 workings from Bahnforum ch. I have also injected a bit of balance across the Rösti divide by picking up some extra stuff from my account on the CHRail forum – the forum for Suisse Romande / other French speakers.

Firstly, apparently Cargo have hired track B 16 at Däniken for around 9 months to hold Ae 6/6 awaiting their fate.

and

11495 is allocated to Cargo Int for Gotthard banking duties until 21.12.2012.


Workings:

Sat 15/12

11473 on sugar beet workings Chavornay - Aarberg - Payerne - BiRB.


Monday 16/12

11453 and 11464 were due to work in Suisse Romande one on the Lausanne Tridel binliners and the other on one of the Neuchatel are duties.


Tuesday 18/12

"midday 20 Minutes at Pratteln produced 3 Ae 6/6 workings (11424, 11465 and 11512)"
11502 Container train at Aarau terminal (Presumably the Aarau RB – Basel working)
11513 freights 62923/62978.
11430 UID move off RBL
11520 62484 Lupfig - RBL E-Gruppe.

Ps Regarding Lausanne Tridel, last week the Tridel shuttles were worked 50% by Ae6/6, although in the new timetable the afternoon duty starts before the morning duty has been completed so needs two locos vice one!


Re: Ae 6/6 changes

gordonwis
 

--- In SwissRail@yahoogroups.com, "Gordon" wrote:

First a small plea: please can we keep reports of Ae6/6 movements in this thread, not that it has been established.

Apologies, the spellcheck of course accepted 'not' but it should have said 'now'


Re: Ae 6/6 changes

gordonwis
 

In the given context the word "Abbruch" means "demolition".
HTH
Stefan, native speaker ;)

Thanks for the clarification Stefan. So presumably it can be assumed that when quoting from list/SBB internal systems, Abgestellt will come first followed by Abbruch.


Re: Ae 6/6 changes

Martin Baumann
 

11465 in service in Basel area today

Martin Baumann


Re: Ae 6/6 changes

Stefan Dringenberg
 

Gordon wrote on 18 Dec 2012:

In the listings, what does not help for English speakers is that `Abbruch'
is used often in the listings but the word is given various English
definitions in my German dictionary, including both `demolition' and
stopped'.
In the given context the word "Abbruch" means "demolition".

HTH
Stefan, native speaker ;)


Re: Ae 6/6 changes

gordonwis
 

First a small plea: please can we keep reports of Ae6/6 movements in this thread, not that it has been established.

11512 was working on 13 December, one correspondent states seeing 11404 in use four days prior to it being withdrawn (stated as 17/12)

The following were reported for Monday 17/12:

610 486 at St Gallen Winkeln on aggregates working
11473 worked freight Bern - Lausanne- Triage A/B.
11424 was seen working at Badischer Bahnhof (on the same type of move as 512 on Thursday 13/12

Today 18/12:
RBL
11427, 11430, 11479, 11513 und 11520
All in the depot area switched on, i.e. ready for operation at any time
At the time this was viewed, an unidentified Cargo liveried lok returned from a job.

The gen for all this comes from Bahnforum CH, but the situation with Ae6/6 reporting is somewhat confused with information taken from the SBB systems seemingly sometimes conflicting with information on the ground.

In the listings, what does not help for English speakers is that `Abbruch' is used often in the listings but the word is given various English definitions in my German dictionary, including both `demolition' and stopped'.

Easier to be clear about in English is Abgestellt which has only one definition in most German dictionaries – ie stopped/turned off.

To make things clear (even in German) one Bahnforum contributor requested a list showing perhaps just two categories (available for use and not available for use (!)). Unfortunately this request has not yet been taken up by those with access to the SBBC operations computer networks.

Of course none of this is uncommon on railways when a type of vehicle comes to the end of its service life, but it seems more haphazard than is usual for Switzerland. As I recall (although I may not be recalling accurately of course) when the end of service came for the previous big batches of `oldies' Ae3/6 and Ae4/7 fleets were stopped `cleanly' in one fell swoop.


Ae 6/6 changes update 18.12.2012

Martin Baumann
 

--- In SwissRail@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baumann wrote:

>>11427 out of service compressor failed

11427 status changed to available for use

>> 11479 WITHDRAWN date uncertain

11479 now quoted as available for use


Reports from Bahnforum.ch comcerning loco status need to be verified from other sources, especially locos reported as permanently withdrawn

Martin Baumann


Re: Ae 6/6 changes UPDATE

Martin Baumann
 

610 486 was noted in service today.BAHNFORUM withdrawal report incorrect

Martin Baumann


Ae 6/6 changes UPDATE

Martin Baumann
 

610 482 and 610 492 are both withdrawn and awaiting disposal at Lausanne Triage


Ae 6/6 changes

Martin Baumann
 

As of 17.12.2012. The following was reported on Bahnforum.ch. I cannot vouch for its accuracy. 11424, reported as stored at Däniken, was in fact working a freight through Basel Badischer Bahnhof at 1415 today


11404 WITHDRAWN 17.12.2012
11419 Stopped 17.12.2012 stored Däniken
610 420 Stopped 17.12.2012 stored Däniken
11424 Stopped 17.12.2012 stored Däniken
11426 ordered to be stopped on 19.12.2012
11427 out of service compressor failed
11430 available for use
11438 WITHDRAWN date uncertain
610 439 stored serviceable
11440 derailed in Schwerzenbach in November, out of service there
11446 WITHDRAWN date uncertain
11453 available for use
11455 stored in Brugg
610 463 available for use
11464 available for use
11465 stored, location unknown
11470 available for use
11473 available for use
11479 WITHDRAWN date uncertain
610 482 available for use
11485 available for use
610 486 WITHDRAWN date uncertain
11488 available for use
610 492 available for use
11495 ordered to be stored at Däniken on 20.12.2012
610 496 available for use
11501 available for use
11502 available for use
11507 WITHDRAWN date uncertain
11512 available for use
11513 available for use
11514 WITHDRAWN date uncertain
11515 stored, location unknown
11517 stored, location unknown
11518 WITHDRAWN date uncertain
610 519 available for use
11520 available for use

10241 - 10260 of 29078