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Re: Camping sites near SBB lines ?

Andy Micklethwaite <andy@...>
 

At 09:55 30/06/03 -0000, Stefan wrote:
How about this one at Saanen, not next to an SBB line, but the MOB
(Montreux-Oberland-Bahn), and plenty of mountains around you:
I was trying to think, and Stefan has set my mind going:

There was one just outside Zweisimmen (BLS side) - about 40 years ago! Anyone know if it's still there?!!

More recently (1993!) there was an excellent site at Punt Muragl in the Engadin with views of the Bernina Bahn.

On the FO there was one (1995) in the Goms at Reckingen (have I got that right? where the Glacier express used to swap WRs many years ago).

And there was one (1995 again) just down from Les Diablerets - a nice quiet site, but not a lot of railway unless you go down to Aigle.

None are SBB, but are you sure you want a campsite next the SBB - with freight rumbling past (or worse) each night. We stayed in a Hotel in Kitzbuhel which was too close to the railway!

BW Andy.


Re: Rhatische Bahn

Jean-Philippe Noiville <jeanphilippe.noiville@...>
 

Dear Alan,
According to the RhB site, the Krokodil runs 3rd class cars on Saturdays and 1st class (former MOB Golden Mountain Pullman Express cars from 1931) on Sundays. On certain days it runs a mixed freight trains instead. See

http://www.rhb.ch/aktuell/jubilaeumsbahn.d.php?nn=218#historisch

for details
HTH
Jean-Philippe

----- Original Message -----
From: Alan Jenkins
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Sent: Monday, June 30, 2003 1:30 PM
Subject: [SwissRail] Rhatische Bahn


Can anyone help me with the following question

What are the best trains to ride behind a GEM loco on the Bernina Bahn?

Doe the same Kroodil work the special trains on the Saturday and Sunday or
do they use a different one

Thank you in advance for the answers
Alan Jenkins


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Rhatische Bahn

Alan Jenkins <ap.jenkins@...>
 

Can anyone help me with the following question

What are the best trains to ride behind a GEM loco on the Bernina Bahn?

Doe the same Kroodil work the special trains on the Saturday and Sunday or
do they use a different one

Thank you in advance for the answers
Alan Jenkins


Re: Camping sites near SBB lines ?

Stefan Unholz <unholz@...>
 

SwissRail@yahoogroups.com wrote:

OK a tiny bit off topic, but for my upcoming vacation:

Where are there campingsites in Switzerland that are just next to a
train line; SBB or other line ?
Christian,

How about this one at Saanen, not next to an SBB line, but the MOB
(Montreux-Oberland-Bahn), and plenty of mountains around you:

http://www.tcs.ch/tcs.html?/TCS.jsp?language=de&target=/Camping/CampingMapSearch.jsp

Regards, Stefan


Camping sites near SBB lines ?

Christian Vinaa
 

OK a tiny bit off topic, but for my upcoming vacation:

Where are there campingsites in Switzerland that are just next to a
train line; SBB or other line ?

Familywise I got to have an excuse for staying and watching trains !
If the camp site is in otherwise beautiful location so the family can
watch the mountains / lake / whatever while I watch trains, it'll be
perfect. Answer to: marklin@vinaa.dk

Also if you know of campsites in eastern France.

thanx

Christian


Re: Neubaustrecke north of Langenthal

Krist van Besien <krist@...>
 

On Wednesday 25 June 2003 00:05, Markus wrote:
Krist van Besien <krist@vanbesien.org> schrieb:
I also saw the following: At Roggwill, at the point where the NBS
and the old line each go their way the NBS disappears into a tunnel.
And it apears that a station is under construction there. At least I
saw the beginnings of a set of high platforms.
.... of the new station on the old line to be relaid as said above
Yes, but it looked as if that new station was also to get platforms along the
NBS... Made me wonder... OR maybe I should have another look.

Krist

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Re: Neubaustrecke north of Langenthal

Guerbetaler
 

Krist van Besien <krist@vanbesien.org> schrieb:
There is, just short of where the NBS and the old line
diverge at Roggwill, another place where it looks as
if the mainline will be moved a few meters to run parallel to the
NBS
correct

I also saw the following: At Roggwill, at the point where the NBS
and the old line each go their way the NBS disappears into a tunnel.
And it apears that a station is under construction there. At least I
saw the beginnings of a set of high platforms.
.... of the new station on the old line to be relaid as said above

Markus, G�rbetal


Re: Trainschedule after opening of NBS

Guerbetaler
 

Krist van Besien <krist@vanbesien.org> schrieb:
What is already known about the effect on the train services on the
Olten - Bern and Olten -Solthurn lines onces the NBS opens in
2004/2005? I am interested what services will be offered between
Bern and Zurich, and Solothurn and Zurich, and also what the effect
will be on local services along both lines...
I can't tell you all details, but:

half-hourly services Z�rich - Bern and Z�rich - Solothurn,
no changes for Langenthal and Burgdorf, travel time Olten - Bern
cut by about 15 min, only one train an hour for Oensingen.

Not all problems yet solved for a transition phase 2004...2007
regarding stops in Lenzburg and offer Z�rich - Biel. Details
should be known later this year.

Me and my girlfriend are thinking of moving out of Bern, and into
some place in the Bern - Solothurn - Olten triangle, or maybe
even to Arau and I am interested in knowing how the train offer
will evolve in the near future in that area...
No change Aarau - Z�rich and Olten - Z�rich.

HTH

Markus, G�rbetal


Trainschedule after opening of NBS

Krist van Besien <krist@...>
 

Hello,

What is already known about the effect on the train services on the Olten -
Bern and Olten -Solthurn lines onces the NBS opens in 2004/2005? I am
interested what services will be offered between Bern and Zurich, and
Solothurn and Zurich, and also what the effect will be on local services
along both lines...
Me and my girlfriend are thinking of moving out of Bern, and into some place
in the Bern - Solothurn - Olten triangle, or maybe even to Arau and I am
interested in knowing how the train offer will evolve in the near future in
that area...

Krist


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Neubaustrecke north of Langenthal

Krist van Besien <krist@...>
 

Hello all,

Norht of Langenthal there is a stretch where the old line has been realigned
to run paralel to the new line Mattstetten Rothrist, just like a much longer
section between Herzogenbuchsee and Langethal. There is, just short of where
the NBS and the old line diverge at Roggwill, another place where it looks as
if the mainline will be moved a few meters to run parallel to the NBS. I
could observe all this on a recent trip Bern - Basel.

I also saw the following: At Roggwill, at the point where the NBS and the old
line each go theire way the NBS disappears into a tunnel. And it apears that
a station is under construction there. At least I saw the beginnings of a set
of high platforms.

What is being built there?

Greetings,

Krist

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Re: BLS Ae 6/8, was: Ae4/4

Guerbetaler
 

Tim Hall <kalyr@clara.co.uk> schrieb:
How many Ae6/8s still exist? Have any others been preserved,and if
so, where?
205 at BLS, 206 and 208 at Classic Rail

On 29 June a train with 2 Ae 6/8 will pass over Gotthard!

www.dampflok.ch
click "Fahrten"

Classic Rail has no homepage AFAIK

Markus, G�rbetal


Re: BLS Ae4/4

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gordonwis <gordonwis@yahoo.com> schrieb:
At easter I believe that the three diagrams were all menat to be for
Ae4/4, but the third diagram was an EMU all week. 251 I saw on the
1655 Bern - Interlaken.
Yes, that was true until May 5. On May 6 Ae 4/4 took over third diagram
in Simmental.

The oldest unit working was one ABDe 4/8 set operating the
Spiez - Reichenbach shuttle.
748+750 were withdrawn after a shunting accident

BN section briefly viewed at start of homeward journey viz:

Saturday 19/4/03

192 RX16547/48
191 RX16553
On Bern - Neuenburg only 191 - 195 are used.


Markus, G�rbetal


Re: BLS Ae 6/8, was: Ae4/4

Tim Hall <kalyr@...>
 

Markus wrote:

Is the historic Ae6/8 ever used?
occasionally, yes, but not regularly
How many Ae6/8s still exist? Have any others been preserved,and if
so, where?
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Re: BLS Ae4/4

gordonwis
 

At easter I believe that the three diagrams were all menat to be for
Ae4/4, but the third diagram was an EMU all week. 251 I saw on the
1655 Bern - Interlaken.

For completeness, here is the piece I wrote for another group about
what I saw at easter.


BLS – Berner Oberland area April 2003

Just back from 10 hot/sunny/rain-free days mostly in idyllic chalet
above Weissenburg with view of Simmentalbahn on opposite valley side
above! 25? refers to trains seen from a distance from our chalet -
view from patio nice for `in the landscape' photos, but not near
enough for numbers. Confirmed numbers were when I was allowed
to `escape' to the lineside alone, or to lunch spots pleasant enough
for my better half to want to accompany me!

Sunday 13/4/03
25? (258 assumed) RX2362/65/80/83/86 ie Plan 170.1
257 RX2364/69/74/81 ie Plan 170.2

Monday 14/4/03
25? RX2362
258 RX 2383
257 RX2386

Tuesday 15/4/03
257 RX 2364/69/74 ie 170.2
258 RX2365/80 ie 170.1

Wednesday 16/4/03
25? RX2362/65
pm: Approx 4 hours photting/sunbathing at Tellenburg overlooking
Kander viaduct. Nothing too surprising. BLS178 on base tunnel shuttle
works trains, One `all brown' freight, double-headed and single
banked (all BLSRe4/4). One Re485 northbound freight, one Cargo livery
Re460 on northbound IC. Re4/4 II 11153 on IC 828. Plus green Ae6/6 on
a tunnel lining segments train.

Thursday 17/4/03
257 RX2369 Boltigen - Spiez
MV Niederhorn Spiez – Interlaken West
cart Interlaken West – Spiez
258 RX 2386 Spiez - Boltigen

Also viewed:
251 on 2467 - 1655 (M-F) Bern – Interlaken (crossed at Leissigen –
ugh!)
182 on EC3

Friday 18/4/03
257 and 258 assumed plan 170.1 and 2

To sum up: unless I missed something, 257 stuck rigidly to Plan
170.2, and 258 to Plan 170.1 all week. Plan 170.2 is the Goldenpass
Panoramic brown push pull set, Plan 170.1 is a blue push pull set.
Some Ae4/4 services eg RX 2383 on 17/4 convey a couple of `binliners'
wagons in pushme-pullyou mode. Loco is always at the Zweisimmen end
of the train when on the SEZ.

A freight ran definitely on Tues – Thurs (Mon we were trying to get
car fixed, Fri was Good Friday). Uphill past Weissenburg c.0815,
downhill c.1130. Traction SBB Re4/4II. All other Regio and RX turns
on SEZ were RBDe 565 sets. No sign of Be 4/4 762 (slightly
disappointing – I quite fancied seeing a 1953 single unit in original
green). The oldest unit working was one ABDe 4/8 set operating the
Spiez – Reichenbach shuttle. Several of these sets are dumped with
other stuff at Emdthal station.

Note also: Ae4/4 are losing raised numerals on cab fronts. 251 and
one end of 258 now painted (white) numbers – same size as original
raised numerals.

BN section briefly viewed at start of homeward journey viz:

Saturday 19/4/03

192 RX16547/48
191 RX16553











--- In SwissRail@yahoogroups.com, "Markus" <guerbetaler@y...> wrote:
gordonwis <gordonwis@y...> schrieb:
Can anyone confirm that the BLS Ae4/4 are still being used since
the
start of the new summer timetable. A easter I spent a lovely week
in
a chalet in the Simmental, where 257 and 258 performed all week on
the two loco-hauled diagrams.
there are now even three diagrams, for three locomotives remaining!

diagram with push-pull composition GoldenPass (golden coaches)
starting from/ending in Interlaken Ost
4852/4853/2364/2369/2374/2381
... and being used for additional trains to Bern in the evening
on peak days

diagram with push-pull composition
2357/2362/2365/2380/2383/2386

diagram with BD-AB-AB-BD
2358/2363/2368/2375/2382/2387

Markus, Gürbetal


Re: BLS Ae4/4

Guerbetaler
 

gordonwis <gordonwis@yahoo.com> schrieb:
Can anyone confirm that the BLS Ae4/4 are still being used since the
start of the new summer timetable. A easter I spent a lovely week in
a chalet in the Simmental, where 257 and 258 performed all week on
the two loco-hauled diagrams.
there are now even three diagrams, for three locomotives remaining!

diagram with push-pull composition GoldenPass (golden coaches)
starting from/ending in Interlaken Ost
4852/4853/2364/2369/2374/2381
... and being used for additional trains to Bern in the evening
on peak days

diagram with push-pull composition
2357/2362/2365/2380/2383/2386

diagram with BD-AB-AB-BD
2358/2363/2368/2375/2382/2387

Markus, G�rbetal


Re: BLS Ae 6/8, was: Ae4/4

Guerbetaler
 

Tim Hall <kalyr@clara.co.uk> schrieb:
Is the historic Ae6/8 ever used?
occasionally, yes, but not regularly

Markus, G�rbetal


Re: TEE and Crocodile query

Adrian Senn
 

Hi

Thur 12 June 18:30 Bellinzona - a TEE unit (or summat) went North -
any idea what it was ?
Hm. There was a special ride for donators.
There are some pictures from the 12 and 13 June


http://www.bahnonline.ch/phpkit/newsfotos/id1776_01.jpg
http://www.bahnonline.ch/phpkit/newsfotos/id1776_02.jpg
http://www.bahnonline.ch/phpkit/newsfotos/id1776_03.jpg
http://www.bahnonline.ch/phpkit/newsfotos/id1776_04.jpg
http://www.bahnonline.ch/phpkit/newsfotos/id1776_05.jpg

And a lot of more TEE Images on Bahnonline. Follow this
link.

http://makeashorterlink.com/?U67362605


Kind Regards Adrian Senn

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Re: BLS Ae4/4

Tim Hall <kalyr@...>
 

gordonwis wrote:

Can anyone confirm that the BLS Ae4/4 are still being used since the
start of the new summer timetable. A easter I spent a lovely week in
a chalet in the Simmental, where 257 and 258 performed all week on
the two loco-hauled diagrams.
Were still running late May. Also the last surviving Ae8/8 on spoil
trains on the Lotchberg south ramp.

Is the historic Ae6/8 ever used?
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Re: TEE and Crocodile query

Tim Hall <kalyr@...>
 

jonblythe wrote:

Thur 12 June 18:30 Bellinzona - a TEE unit (or summat) went North -
any idea what it was ? I seem to read something in the German issue
of 20 Minuten in Bern the previous week that SBB had refurbished 'an
old train with a piano bar', but couldn't be too sure because my
understanding of the German language isn't over good. Is it the same
one as was parked at Spiez in 2002 or 2001 ?
I saw the 'Historic' RAe set come off the Interlaken branch at Spiez
and head south over the Lotchberg at the end of May; with no
passengers on board I assumed it was a test run following restoration
at Bonigen.

I'm assuming that's the same train you saw.
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BLS Ae4/4

gordonwis
 

Can anyone confirm that the BLS Ae4/4 are still being used since the
start of the new summer timetable. A easter I spent a lovely week in
a chalet in the Simmental, where 257 and 258 performed all week on
the two loco-hauled diagrams.