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Re: SBB 2014 timetable changes

bs177@...
 

--- In SwissRail@yahoogroups.com, "martinbaumann112" <martin98baumann@...> wrote:
Eastbound trains will use the Südeinfahrt and then join the DML
Thanks Martin but can you clarify "Südeinfahrt"


SBB page in English:

http://www.sbb.ch/en/corporation/the-company/projects/upgrading-the-rail-network/zurich-cross-city-link.html
I was reading this before I posted but it does not give enough detail for my purposes.

A decent track plan before and after might help.

I am also aware that there are plans for opening up the Limmatt Corridor but was unclear if this was to be tram, heavy or light rail.

Cheers

bruce


Re: SBB 2014 timetable changes

OL.Guerbetal
 

Am 01.06.2013 21:57, schrieb bs177@ggbooks.plus.com:
I am currently studying the ramifications of the Durchmesselinie and
one article I have read suggests that platforms 51 - 54 are only
temporary and "will be abandoned".
Durchmesserlinie can only be finished after the removal of tracks 51�54.

Other parts of the article suggest that long distance trains from the
Oerlikon direction that currently reverse in Zurich HBf (and vv) will
be diverted to Lowenstrasse so I assume that the platforms freed up
will still give any extra capacity needed for future traffic growth
and the Sihlquai platforms will be built on so any opportunity to use
these platforms for main line services will be lost.
What do you mean by L�wenstrasse and Sihlquai???

To put it simple:
SZU underground station are tracks 1�2
SBB old Z�rich HB are tracks 3�18
New Durchmesserlinie underground station will be tracks 31�34
Underground station alongside Museumstrasse, originally tracks 21�24, are now tracks 41�44

Long distance trains (300�400m) can use tracks 3�18 and 31�34. It is planned that trains from Bern to St. Gallen will use tracks 31�34. But this will only be possible after the opening of the Altstetten entry by the end of 2015.

Markus, G�rbetal


Re: SBB 2014 timetable changes

Martin Baumann
 

Platforms 51-54 will be closed on 14.06.2014. Long distance trains from the west that continue to Flughafen-Winterthur etc will use the Durchmesserlinie from December 2015. It will take this long to complete the viaduct which will carry (only) westbound trains from the Durchmesserlinie. Eastbound trains will use the Südeinfahrt and then join the DML

SBB page in English:

http://www.sbb.ch/en/corporation/the-company/projects/upgrading-the-rail-network/zurich-cross-city-link.html

and German:

http://www.sbb.ch/sbb-konzern/ueber-die-sbb/projekte/ausbau-schienennetz/dml.html


540 053

Martin Baumann
 

540 053 worked 1988 1936 Zürich HB-Basel SBB today hauling coaches in place of the booked Re 4/4 II It is expected to work train 1995, 2213 back to Zürich as well (Diagram 611.21)


Martin Baumann


Re: SBB 2014 timetable changes

bs177@...
 

--- In SwissRail@yahoogroups.com, "martinbaumann112" <martin98baumann@...> wrote:

A little of the works can be seen from trolleybus route 31. Travel on the right hand side of the vehicle when heading towards Altstetten/Schlieren. Occaisionally locos will be parked beside the road and you can see through some of the windows of the works. There are numerous stops in the area and a trolleybus every 7.5 minutes. (Mostly the new double articulated ones)

Thank you Martin and Markus,

I was staying locally and walked along the side of the works so know the road you are referring to.

I am currently studying the ramifications of the Durchmesselinie and one article I have read suggests that platforms 51 - 54 are only temporary and "will be abandoned".

Other parts of the article suggest that long distance trains from the Oerlikon direction that currently reverse in Zurich HBf (and vv) will be diverted to Lowenstrasse so I assume that the platforms freed up will still give any extra capacity needed for future traffic growth and the Sihlquai platforms will be built on so any opportunity to use these platforms for main line services will be lost.

Cheers

Bruce


Re: SBB 2014 timetable changes

Martin Baumann
 

Platforms 51 to 54 can only be used by trains to or from Enge/Wiedikon, the Thalwil tunnel or the line to Oerlikon via Wipkingen. If you want to do that part of the station loco hauled there are three peak hour Luzern trains with Re 4/4 II in each direction.

A little of the works can be seen from trolleybus route 31. Travel on the right hand side of the vehicle when heading towards Altstetten/Schlieren. Occaisionally locos will be parked beside the road and you can see through some of the windows of the works. There are numerous stops in the area and a trolleybus every 7.5 minutes. (Mostly the new double articulated ones)


Martin Baumann


Re: SBB 2014 timetable changes

OL.Guerbetal
 

Am 01.06.2013 15:11, schrieb bs177@ggbooks.plus.com:
I mean the one on www.SBB.ch. In any case, I am aware of those
trains which arrive at platform 2 at Altstetten and will try and ride
one of them before June 2014.
I have no problems producing these trains on www.sbb.ch ! ?? How did you
search?

I still need to get a handle on low numbered platform arrivals from
the Olten Direction - I had counted on looking for arrivals at
platforms 51 to 54 but could not find any.
Track 51�54 are only used for trains coming from/going to Thalwil.

It isn't a rare thing that I travel Bern�Z�rich and I have never entered
Z�rich HB on the Hardbr�cke track since the new Southern track
<http://map.geo.admin.ch/?crosshair=bowl&Y=680386.5&X=249117.5&zoom=8&bgLayer=ch.swisstopo.pixelkarte-farbe&time_current=latest&lang=de>
with two tunnels is in use.

I am not quite sure which bits of the Durchmesselinie will help me or
which bits will open in 2014
Mid-2014 the Wiedikon entry will open, the Altstetten entry will only open by Dec 2015.

- I am looking for views of the Eastside of the works adjacent to the
main line. I had previously assumed that the works was on the East
Side of the approaches to the HbF just south of the viaduct to the
Hbf end of Hardbrucke but on my recent visit came to the conclusion
that it was the large complex to the West side of the line after
walking up the road towards Altstetten where incidentally most of the
local traktors live.
see link above

Markus, G�rbetal


Re: New GEX concept

tudor erich
 

Rumours don't tell everything, do they? ;-)
You tease!
 
Bernard


Re: New GEX concept

OL.Guerbetal
 

Am 01.06.2013 07:45, schrieb tudoryork:
I heard a rumour about a use on the Albula line.
Hooray, With extra charge?
Rumours don't tell everything, do they? ;-)


Re: SBB 2014 timetable changes

bs177@...
 

--- In SwissRail@yahoogroups.com, Guerbetaler <muesche2-swissrail@...> wrote:
What do you count as "Swiss journey planner"? I know several of them.

Bahn.de doesn't have any information which is not available on Swiss
online systems.
I mean the one on www.SBB.ch. In any case, I am aware of those trains which arrive at platform 2 at Altstetten and will try and ride one of them before June 2014. I still need to get a handle on low numbered platform arrivals from the Olten Direction - I had counted on looking for arrivals at platforms 51 to 54 but could not find any.

I am not quite sure which bits of the Durchmesselinie will help me or which bits will open in 2014 - I am looking for views of the East side of the works adjacent to the main line. I had previously assumed that the works was on the East Side of the approaches to the HbF just south of the viaduct to the Hbf end of Hardbrucke but on my recent visit came to the conclusion that it was the large complex to the West side of the line after walking up the road towards Altstetten where incidentally most of the local traktors live.

cheers

bruce


Re: New GEX concept

tudor erich
 

I heard a rumour about a use on the Albula line.
Hooray,
 
With extra charge?
 
Bernard


Re: New GEX concept

John Lovda
 

Regarding this court ruling (first I heard of it), does this only apply to Swiss ladies going shopping or can an American with a camera and a Swiss Pass get on and not pay a supplement?

John Lovda


Re: SBB 2014 timetable changes

OL.Guerbetal
 

Am 31.05.2013 18:09, schrieb bs177@ggbooks.plus.com:
I think a case of closure by stealth as these trains were very
difficult to find details for as although they appear in Bahn.de, the
Swiss journey planner does not show them nor do the on-line station
departure sheets.
What do you count as "Swiss journey planner"? I know several of them.

Bahn.de doesn't have any information which is not available on Swiss online systems.


Re: New GEX concept

OL.Guerbetal
 

Am 31.05.2013 16:41, schrieb tudoryork:
Does this restore the hourly Oberalppas local trains throughout the
day then?
Yes, it does.

And if there are only three GEX each way what use will be made of the
other two sets of coaches (and PROPER restaurant cars)? Expensive
panorama coaches to be used without supplement perhaps?
I heard a rumour about a use on the Albula line.

Markus, G�rbetal


Re: SBB 2014 timetable changes

Max Wyss
 


I think a case of closure by stealth as these trains were very
difficult to find
details for as although they appear in Bahn.de, the Swiss journey planner
does
not show them nor do the on-line station departure sheets. I cannot recall
seeing
any trains on these lines other than freight but perhaps the peaks might be
a
better time to look.
One hint for the trains passing close to the works would be the departure
tables for Zürich Altstetten, and then you look for trains departing from
track 2. This track is normally not used for the "regular" trains to/from
Hardbrücke.

Max.


Altetten-Wiedikon ( was Re: SBB 2014 timetable changes)

Martin Baumann
 

There are three trains a day in each direction Monday-Friday only

Four of these are Einsideln trains worked by SOB Re 446:

18044 0638 Einsidelen-Zü Altstetten
18045 0821 Zü Altstetten-Einsiedeln
18050 1549 Einsidelen-Zü Altstetten
18051 1720 Zü Altstetten-Einsiedeln

RBe 540, to change to Re 450:

18046 0705 Ziegelbrücke-Zü Altstetten
18053 1751 Zü Altstetten-Ziegelbrücke

Due to engineering work on the SOB their trains are cancelled between Einsiedeln and Wädenswil 22 July to 9 August 2013. It is likely that this will see a unit working in place of the loco hauled train although SOB might deploy a pushpull set if available.

Martin Baumann


Re: SBB 2014 timetable changes

bs177@...
 

--- In SwissRail@yahoogroups.com, "martinbaumann112" <martin98baumann@...> wrote:
The answer is yes and no. The last timetabled train to run direct from Altstetten to Wiedikon will be 1751 Altstetten-Ziegelbrücke (18053) on June 13th 2014 according to the current draft. However long distance trains using the "Südeinfahrt" line from Altstetten to Zürich HB will still pass close to the works. The majority of arrivals in Zürich HB from Olten etc run on this line. An arrival at the highest numbered group of platforms is more likely to use the older route passing Hardbrücke station. Although signalled for both directions the "Südeinfahrt" is only very rarely used for outbound passenger trains. (Platform numbers in journey planner)

Martin Baumann
Thanks Martin,

I think a case of closure by stealth as these trains were very difficult to find details for as although they appear in Bahn.de, the Swiss journey planner does not show them nor do the on-line station departure sheets. I cannot recall seeing any trains on these lines other than freight but perhaps the peaks might be a better time to look.

I could see on my last visit that the small works traktors were sometimes visible from these lines but was not in the right places or times to travel on them so I suspect a visit prior to the change is on the cards!

Cheers

Bruce


Re: New GEX concept

tudor erich
 

Does this restore the hourly Oberalppas local trains throughout the day then?
 
And if there are only three GEX each way what use will be made of the other two sets of coaches (and PROPER restaurant cars)? Expensive panorama coaches to be used without supplement perhaps?
 
Bernard

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Re: SBB 2014 timetable changes

Martin Baumann
 

--- In SwissRail@yahoogroups.com, bs177@... wrote:

Am I right in thinking that this removes the only passenger trains to go direct from the Altstetten direction to Wiedikon avoiding Zurich HB and the only passenger trains to use the lines adjacent to the works?
The answer is yes and no. The last timetabled train to run direct from Altstetten to Wiedikon will be 1751 Altstetten-Ziegelbrücke (18053) on June 13th 2014 according to the current draft. However long distance trains using the "Südeinfahrt" line from Altstetten to Zürich HB will still pass close to the works. The majority of arrivals in Zürich HB from Olten etc run on this line. An arrival at the highest numbered group of platforms is more likely to use the older route passing Hardbrücke station. Although signalled for both directions the "Südeinfahrt" is only very rarely used for outbound passenger trains. (Platform numbers in journey planner)

Martin Baumann


Re: SBB 2014 timetable changes

Martin Baumann
 

"Genève – Bellegarde –---The change of voltage
in August 2014 "will necessitate the use of different rolling stock"

Probably 522.2 units which are finally permitted to run in France. The 550 units can't run on 25000v AC

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