Am 30.06.2013 12:39, schrieb Andy McMillan:

I found it a fascinating little programme - I wonder what the nickname
of #391 was after it's swim in the Inn.

There wasn't any. But this locomotive had always been a special subject, as it was the only locomotive with "foreign" gear. Only the mechanical part was SLM as on all others but electrical part was AEG of Germany. This is why the controls were different and only Samedan drivers were instructed to drive it. Therefor it is interesting that the locomotive was rebuilt in the same way. But as it seems, the AEG part of the locomotive could be reused.

391 finally ended up "back" in Germany, it is now in the Deutsches Technikmuseum Berlin
<http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:RhB_391_1.jpg>

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Alan wrote: ' "The Diver" actually. And it continued to run under the
same identity on the same line. ...'

You are right, it was 'The Diver' and yes, I should have looked it up.
But 224 was renumbered - to 1192 - although not until 1913, so it was
many years later; the disaster happening in 1879. Funny how the
memory plays tricks over the years, isn't it? I am sure I read
somewhere that once rebuilt, it was kept as far away from the Tay as
possible, but I can't find the reference to that in either 'Scottish
4-4-0s' or 'the High Girders'. Not that it matters on this forum, of
course.

My real point, however, was that wry humour is so often the way that
people cope with tragedy. I would doubt that the Swiss were much
different in that regard, but that's why I asked...

regards, Andy

--- In SwissRail@yahoogroups.com, "Andy McMillan" <andytrainman@...> wrote:

Hello Don,

"SRF have produced a half-hour programme about the centenary of the
RhB Engadin line ..."

Well spotted, Don!

I found it a fascinating little programme - I wonder what the nickname
of #391 was after it's swim in the Inn. (The 4-4-0 which fell into
the Tay in the Tay bridge disaster was recovered, re-built and sent to
work on a different line under a different number - but to staff it
was always known thereafter as "The Dipper"...)

"The Diver" actually. And it continued to run under the same identity on the same line.

Alan.

Hello Don,

"SRF have produced a half-hour programme about the centenary of the
RhB Engadin line ..."

Well spotted, Don!

I found it a fascinating little programme - I wonder what the nickname
of #391 was after it's swim in the Inn. (The 4-4-0 which fell into
the Tay in the Tay bridge disaster was recovered, re-built and sent to
work on a different line under a different number - but to staff it
was always known thereafter as "The Dipper"...)

The idea of a branch line from Ftan station up to Fetan Village was an
interesting one - an ideal 'modeller's might-have-been, perhaps? I
presume, (which I have to without translating every word of the
subtitles), that it would really have been a mere siding, rather than
a 'true' branch with a passenger service - but I could be wrong of
course. (I saw no plan of any sidings, loops or track at the top end,
so I presume the plans hadn't got that far before the Great War
intervened.) Or was it to have been a narrower-gauge tram-line,
perhaps? Did anyone understand that section rather better than I did?

I also noted with interest, "das alt Wärterhaus Pravuost" restored in
1994 towards the end of the programme - which I translated as 'the old
keeper's house, Pravuost': but keeper of what? The tunnel? The
'length' of track between Zuoz and Scoul? I couldn't understand that
one either. Surely if it had been merely a staff-house for a
platelayer (and it looks much too 'posh' for that), there would have
been several others along 45Km of line, so are there any more or were
platelayers (permanent-way staff) based at stations? (I assume so, as
there are large sleeping quarters at Samedan, Zernez and Scoul-T, of
course.) Interesting that the house should so resemble the station
buildings of the original line - from which plans it was obviously
taken - but it would be interesting to see photos of the sides and far
end so as to be able to spot the differences - it would hardly need a
goods shed, would it - or did they use that space for 'tools of the
trade' of a tunnel inspector?

Fascinating as these things are, the overly-slick presentation of all
these kinds of programmes always seems to leave more questions open
than it answers..

Still - that passed a very pleasant hour or so as I viewed and
re-wound, re-typed bits of the captions for translation, and tried to
make head and tail of it all (understand it all) - so thanks Don: well
done!

regards, Andy McMillan

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Saturday 29/06/2013
Weather atrocious. Rain all day. However after a 4am alarm call, taxi and 3 trains I made it to Burgdorf to pick up the VHE special from Hutwil - Frutigen with 31 and one coach!
On arrival at Frutigen it was a quick look around, (new Bombardier 187002 last mile diesel electric, a French Prima electric, 843502 & 843504, a couple of Kiss units, preserved loks included 307, EBT102, 273 & 312 & a couple of coaches at strange angles including a DVT on its side) get drenched and see what was working the special shuttles to Kandersteg.
They were to run every 30 minutes starting at 10.20 with 205 working the first, 251 worked the next and the preserved old unit (sorry not sure of its number) was worked in tandem with BLS 172.
There were rumours that the 11.50 special was going to be 205 & 208. 208 was working a Swiss Historic special from Basel to the event due in about 11.30. However where the shuttle tickets were being sold they said it wasn't going to work but would be put on static display. However I hung around just in case.
And sure enough it did produce. 208 & 205 together. When was the last time that happened? And a return for 5CHF. Much cheaper than the 250CHF for the special.
Not sure if anything else worked as left at 13.30.
Good to meet up with the English cranks, Des, Mr Belton, Ian, Patrick and the others.
Tomorrow RhB and hoping for better weather.

Cheers Keith47424.

What work is being undertaken to the tram tracks to cause such a

disruption?

A central part of the work is to replace the tram rails that exit
Aeschengraben, cross Nauenstrasse and enter the tram station in front of
Basel SBB railway station in Centralbahnplatz and vice versa. According to
the BVB press release, in the last 10 years an estimated 147 million street
vehicles and 1.44 million trams have rolled over these rails in
Nauenstrasse.

George

--- In SwissRail@yahoogroups.com, "Simon Cuddeford &#92;(CH&#92;)" <simon.cuddeford@...> wrote:

Surprised big diversions like these haven't happen more often in the last
few years.

Simon

My sympathies for your long suffering. Projects in Switzerland in general do seem to take a long time.
What work is being undertaken to the tram tracks to cause such a disruption? I presume that it is major track renewals but I see that lines 1 & 2 will continue to run. So maybe a single line operation will be in force.

Paul Kidger

"csipromo" <csipromo@...> wrote:

Hopefully they will keep a whole trainset (A, AB, B, BDt) to go with it

That is the plan according to an SBB driver on BAHNFORUM

www.seat61.com facebook and twitter pages, though not the website itself,

reports that it is about to cease publication with the last edition being August 2013

--- In SwissRail@yahoogroups.com, "Chris" <chris_j_wood@...> wrote:

On their Facebook page, the Swiss Travel System people are being a bit coy about a new ticket they are introducing.

My guess is it's the ability to purchase a last minute ticket on the platform. Interesting, to no great surprise looks like they are feeling the heat from the withdrawal of the facility to buy tickets on board. Hope it works for them!

Cheers all
Fionnbarr

It is nice to see that at least one RBe4/4 will be kept in it's original livery and now a second will be kept in the last NPZ livery as well.
Hopefully they will keep a whole trainset (A, AB, B, BDt) to go with it

Regards

Mike C

http://mailing.sbb.ch/inxmail0/html_mail.jsp?params=1048133+keith47424%40sky.com+0+0000e6i0000bw00000000000ihvr5jq3

Hope link works ok.

Cheers Keith47424.

RBe 540 069 has been preserved by SBB Historic and is now kept at Olten

Thanks Martin
I guess that this is going to cause major disruption hence the decision to undertake the work in the holiday month. Sorry I cannot read the German (not having the grandchildren here at the moment), but I presume that there is going to be major track renewals. Eldest granddaughter has a choice of activities over the summer holidays and one such activity is a day at the Basel Tram garage. I have suggested she applies for it and asks to take me along as well, purely to carry her lunchbox. She refuses and instead want to spend a day at the local bakery or doing pottery.

Paul Kidger

Surprised big diversions like these haven't happen more often in the last
few years.

Basel is currently attempting to break the world record for the most number
of roads being dug up in the city, at the same time. This attempt is running
concurrently with another attempt to spend as long as possible not filling
in the holes generated by the other record attempt.

They have been replacing the water pipes in the road outside my apartment
for TWO YEARS; and they haven't finished yet !!

I could have done the job, on my own, with a wobbly plastic spoon faster
than the army of orange jacket wearing slackers who stroll around all day
playing with the diggers/rollers/dumpers etc.

<rant over>

From July 1st to 31st Basel tram lines 1 8 10 11 will be diverted and not run via Basel SBB.



See http://tinyurl.com/nlyhafp

Examining Oberglatt on google maps I would say that is the likely location. The house just in front of the railcar seems to be still there, now almost surrounded by trees. When Oberglatt-Niederglatt was doubled in 1983 the junction was moved north and the curve eased so the track will be totally different when the picture was taken.

1007 was withdrawn by SBB on 31.01.1974 so that helps to date the picture. I would rule out Niederglatt, the curve is not right for there

It could be Oberglatt (keep in mind that this photograph is at least 40
years old). Another possibility might be Niederglatt.

Max.

SRF have produced a half-hour programme about the centenary of the RhB Engadin line and it's pioneering electrification. Its in Rumantsh with German subtitles, but, even if you don't understand either, the pictures are very interesting.

See: http://tinyurl.com/osoxogs

Don Newing