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Re 460 unusual workings in new timetable

Martin Baumann
 

560 0606 Chur-Zürich HB 0723

2x 460 Saturday only

booked for THREE Re 460 Sunday only



Pairs:

558 0506 Chur-Basel 0727 Tuesday-Friday (EW IV pushpull two locos)

791 2007 Basel-Zürich HB 2100 Friday only

846 2141 Romanshorn-Bern 0002 Friday only

1809 0547 Basel-Zürich HB 0652 Saturday only

1835 1647 Basel-Zürich HB 1752 Monday-Friday

1837 1747 Basel-Zürich HB 1852 Saturday

1742 2058 Brig-Lausanne 2239 Friday only

2515 0611 Geneve -Luzern 0900 Monday-Friday

2517 0702 Geneve A-Luzern 1000 Monday-Friday

Additional trains with 2 Re 460 top and tail or with one loco in the middle can be found at:

http://www.reisezuege.ch/reisezuege/index.php?action=12


Re 4/4 II in new timetable

Martin Baumann
 

The following is a list of trains , not including Zürich S-Bahn LION sets, booked for Re 4/4 II from today. Source is www.reisezuege.ch and this site and the timetable should be consulted for running days and times.

@@ : Pair of locos


EC 6 Zürich HB Basel SBB
EC 7 Basel SBB Zürich HB
EC 153 Luzern Chiasso
EC 158 Chiasso Luzern
EC 163 Zürich HB Buchs SG
EC 164 Buchs SG Zürich HB
IC 180 Zürich HB Schaffhausen
IC 181 Schaffhausen Zürich HB
IC 183 Schaffhausen Zürich HB
IC 184 Zürich HB Schaffhausen
IC 186 Zürich HB Schaffhausen
IC 187 Schaffhausen Zürich HB
NZ 220 Domodossola Vallorbe   @@
NZ 221 Vallorbe Domodossola   @@
NZ 222 Domodossola Vallorbe   @@
NZ 223 Vallorbe Domodossola   @@
IC 281 Schaffhausen Zürich HB
IC 282 Zürich HB Schaffhausen
IC 283 Schaffhausen Zürich HB
IC 284 Zürich HB Schaffhausen
IC 285 Schaffhausen Zürich HB
CNL 458 Basel SBB Zürich HB
CNL 459 Zürich HB Basel SBB
EN 464 Buchs SG Zürich HB
EN 465 Zürich HB Buchs SG
CNL 478 Zürich HB Basel SBB
CNL 479 Basel SBB Zürich HB
IC 580 Zürich HB Basel SBB
IC 592 Chur Zürich HB
IC 758 Zürich HB Basel SBB
IC 771 Basel SBB Zürich HB
IC 776 Zürich HB Basel SBB
IC 780 Zürich HB Basel SBB
IC 793 Basel SBB Zürich HB  @@ Monday-Friday
CNL 1178 Chur Zürich HB
CNL 1179 Zürich HB Chur
IR 1412 Bex Genève Aéroport
IR 1429 Genève St. Maurice
IR 1483 Bern Spiez
IR 1537 Lausanne Neuchâtel
IR 1541 Lausanne Neuchâtel
IR 1606 Neuchâtel Lausanne
IR 1610 Neuchâtel Lausanne
IR 1743 Genève Aéroport Brig
IR 1821 Basel SBB Zürich HB
IR 1835 Basel SBB Zürich HB   @@ Sunday only
IR 1840 Zürich HB Basel SBB
IR 1991 Basel SBB Zürich HB
IR 1992 Zürich HB Basel SBB
IR 2026 Zürich HB Bern
IR 2046 Olten Bern
IR 2151 Basel SBB Luzern
IR 2155 Bellinzona Locarno
IR 2159 Basel SBB Locarno
IR 2163 Basel SBB Locarno
IR 2165 Basel SBB Locarno
IR 2166 Bellinzona Basel SBB
IR 2169 Basel SBB Locarno
IR 2170 Chiasso Basel SBB
IR 2173 Basel SBB Locarno
IR 2177 Basel SBB Locarno
IR 2178 Locarno Basel SBB
IR 2181 Basel SBB Locarno
IR 2182 Locarno Basel SBB
IR 2184 Locarno Basel SBB
IR 2185 Basel SBB Bellinzona
IR 2188 Locarno Basel SBB    @@ Locarno-Luzern Friday only then different pair FO Luzern-Basel
IR 2192 Locarno Basel SBB
IR 2193 Basel SBB Luzern
IR 2257 Zürich HB Locarno
IR 2268 Locarno Zürich HB
IR 2272 Locarno Zürich HB
IR 2275 Zürich HB Locarno
IR 2279 Zürich HB Locarno
IR 2283 Zürich HB Chiasso
IR 2288 Locarno Zürich HB
IR 2289 Zürich HB Chiasso
IR 2292 Locarno Zürich HB
IR 2559 Schaffhausen Zürich HB
IR 2588 Zürich HB Schaffhausen
IR 2813 Brig Domodossola
IR 2814 Domodossola Brig
IR 2819 Brig Domodossola
IR 2824 Domodossola Brig
IR 2828 Domodossola Brig
IR 2831 Brig Domodossola
RE 3225 Bern Olten
RE 3226 Olten Bern
RE 3229 Bern Olten
RE 3230 Olten Bern
RE 3235 Bern Olten
RE 3236 Olten Bern
RE 3247 Bern Olten
IR 3508 Luzern Zürich HB
IR 3514 Luzern Zürich HB @@
IR 3535 Zürich HB Luzern
IR 3537 Zürich HB Luzern
IR 3539 Zürich HB Luzern
IR 3810 Rorschach Zürich HB  @@ Mon-Fri
IR 3831 Zürich HB St. Gallen @@ Mon-Fri
RE 4050 St. Maurice Lausanne
RE 4051 Lausanne St. Maurice
RE 4060 St. Maurice Lausanne
RE 4064 St. Maurice Lausanne
RE 4075 Lausanne St. Maurice
RE 4079 Lausanne Bex
RE 4092 St. Maurice Lausanne
RE 4093 Lausanne St. Maurice
NZ 10220 Domodossola Vallorbe
IC 10759 Zürich HB Chur
IC 10761 Zürich HB Chur
IC 10782 Chur Zürich HB
RE 25297 Bellinzona Luino



Re 421 SBB Cargo
IC 182 Zürich HB Schaffhausen
IC 183 Schaffhausen Zürich HB
IC 184 Zürich HB Schaffhausen
IC 185 Schaffhausen Zürich HB
EC 190 Lindau Zürich HB
EC 191 Zürich HB Lindau
EC 192 Lindau Zürich HB   @@ Friday only
EC 193 Zürich HB Lindau
EC 194 Lindau Zürich HB
EC 195 Zürich HB Lindau   @@ sunday only
EC 196 Lindau Zürich HB
EC 197 Zürich HB Lindau
IC 280 Zürich HB Schaffhausen
IC 281 Schaffhausen Zürich HB
IC 282 Zürich HB Schaffhausen
IC 283 Schaffhausen Zürich HB
EN 466 Buchs SG Zürich HB
EN 467 Zürich HB Buchs SG
EC 1290 Lindau Zürich HB
EC 1291 Zürich HB Lindau
EC 1293 Zürich HB Lindau
IR 1957 Basel SBB Zürich HB
IR 1992 Zürich HB Basel SBB
IR 2558 Zürich HB Schaffhausen
IR 2563 Schaffhausen Zürich HB

The Einsiedeln-Zürich Altstetten trains that will run until June are expected to be an SBB-P Re 4/4 II


Re: Postal railways in Lucerne and Zurich

gordonwis
 

It appears to me to be an exhibit, and the cantonal shield looks very clean. Maybe someone made an error as the Luzern and Zurich emblems are similar


Re: Ae 6/6

gordonwis
 

That's what was said last year!


Ae 6/6

Martin Baumann
 

Although 7 locos are in traffic today it us reported in Bahnforum that they will all be taken out of service and sent to Daniken for storage tomorrow. (14/12) There are no scheduled workings for the locos in the new timetable


Ae 6/6

Martin Baumann
 

Although 7 locos are in traffic today it us reported in Bahnforum that they will all be taken out of service and sent to Daniken for storage tomorrow. (14/12) There are no scheduled workings for the locos in the new timetable


Re: Postal railways in Lucerne and Zurich

OL.Guerbetal
 

Am 12.12.2013 15:29, schrieb chris_j_wood@yahoo.com:
And if the pictured vehicle is really an Elektromotorwagen, what are
those two cables running underneath it between the tracks. They look
rather like (funicular) haulage cables to me.
power supply, track 600 mm

If anybody has time and opportunity to read SER 4/1980 he will be able to tell the details. Otherwise wait until I have done it but I'm otherwise busy now. Sorry.

Markus, Gürbetal


Re: Postal railways in Lucerne and Zurich

Max Wyss
 

And why would Zürich have needed an underground railway to link the
Sihlpost and the Hbf. The two were literally next to each other. The
line couldn't have been more than 100m long...
I interpret the description as a connector between the Sihlpost and
the post office in the Hauptbahnhof (aka Zürich 21, or 8021 Zürich).
This post office had a rather big amount of traffic, and many
companies had their post box there. That means that quite a bit of
sorted, ready to deliver, mail, as well as mail taken in at the office
has to be shuffled between those places. Considering the location,
hauling the kind of cart which could be used in the post office was
rather cumbersome. Therefore, having a tunnel avoids these
inconveniences. The guesstimated distance between the Sihlpost and
that post office was about 300 meters.


Re: Postal railways in Lucerne and Zurich

Chris Wood
 




Max Wyss wrote:

>> at least there is a photo on wikicommons
>
> The picture is kind of interesting, because if it were for the
> Sihlpost in Zürich, why does the tractor bear the coat of arms
> of Luzern?

And if the pictured vehicle is really an Elektromotorwagen, what are those two cables running underneath it between the tracks. They look rather like (funicular) haulage cables to me.

It isn't clear to me whether the reference to the museum in Bern is just a photo credit, or whether the car itself is preserved there. I suppose if this is a picture of a museum exhibit, the cables could relate to something else (like the next exhibit).


Re: Postal railways in Lucerne and Zurich

Krist van Besien
 

On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 1:00 PM, Max Wyss <max@prodok.com> wrote:
Anybody know anything about them, or is this a figment of some Wikipedia
editor's imagination?.
at least there is a photo on wikicommons
<https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Post-U-Bahn_der_Sihlpost.JPG>
The picture is kind of interesting, because if it were for the
Sihlpost in Zürich, why does the tractor bear the coat of arms of
Luzern? (unless it has been in use in Luzern first, and only a short
time before the picture was taken transferred to Zürich).
And why would Zürich have needed an underground railway to link the
Sihlpost and the Hbf. The two were literally next to each other. The
line couldn't have been more than 100m long...

Krist




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krist.vanbesien@gmail.com
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Bern, Switzerland


Re: Postal railways in Lucerne and Zurich

Max Wyss
 

Anybody know anything about them, or is this a figment of some Wikipedia
editor's imagination?.
at least there is a photo on wikicommons
<https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Post-U-Bahn_der_Sihlpost.JPG>
The picture is kind of interesting, because if it were for the
Sihlpost in Zürich, why does the tractor bear the coat of arms of
Luzern? (unless it has been in use in Luzern first, and only a short
time before the picture was taken transferred to Zürich).

Max.


Re: Postal railways in Lucerne and Zurich

gordonwis
 

Info about Zurich and Luzern is repeated (with a small bit if detail) in this article about a post railway in Munchen, so appears to be true.
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-U-Bahn_München


Re: Graphic Tables for 2014

OL.Guerbetal
 

Am 05.12.2013 10:41, schrieb Don:
Caution - error on Chart 303, when you open it you will find 302
repeated, so SBB will need to correct. If anyone has a contact, then
let them know.
A new version of 303 has been uploaded.

Markus, G�rbetal


Re: Postal railways in Lucerne and Zurich

OL.Guerbetal
 

Am 11.12.2013 17:24, schrieb chris_j_wood@yahoo.com:
Anybody know anything about them, or is this a figment of some Wikipedia
editor's imagination?.
at least there is a photo on wikicommons
<https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Post-U-Bahn_der_Sihlpost.JPG>

Markus, Gürbetal


Re: Geneve-La Plaine (was Re: SBB 2014 timetable changes)

OL.Guerbetal
 

Am 09.12.2013 14:01, schrieb Gordon Wiseman:
From what I heard Lausanne had already been approached and were not
interested. The design of the route and traction of the Lausanne -
Renens line is outdated now (it could be argued it was outdated from
the start) and I doubt they would persevere with more of the same.
If you turn everything of the above post to the contrary you might be approaching the truth. Lausanne actively asked SBB but they wanted far too much, given the fact that they needed to be rebuilt for the Lausanne line. So Lausanne decided to build five new EMUs and the first of these has just been delivered a few weeks ago.

Markus, Gürbetal


Re: Geneve-La Plaine (was Re: SBB 2014 timetable changes)

George Raymond
 

> From what I heard Lausanne had already been approached and were not interested.
> The design of the route and traction of the Lausanne - Renens line is outdated now
> (it could be argued it was outdated from the start) and I doubt they would persevere
> with more of the same.

In what sense is the design of the Lausanne-Renens route outdated?

George



Postal railways in Lucerne and Zurich

Chris Wood
 

Just been reading the Wikipedia article on London's Post Office Railway (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_Post_Office_Railway) and it contains the throw away line:


> There were underground post railways in Switzerland, in Lucerne from 1927, and
> in Zurich from 1937 until 1981.

Anybody know anything about them, or is this a figment of some Wikipedia editor's imagination?.


Check the picture

John Lovda
 


Re: Geneve-La Plaine (was Re: SBB 2014 timetable changes)

OL.Guerbetal
 

Am 09.12.2013 14:02, schrieb Max Wyss:
From what I believe to remember reading, there were talks, but the
SBB wanted too much, and so TL ordered a few new vehicles.
Correct. Seems to be the new way of SBB to lose money: Asking too much for a vehicle no longer needed and then sending it to the scrapheap. The same is true for the ex-MThB NPZ of which CJ wanted to buy one but couldn't afford it. Afterwards, SBB sent them... And CJ bought a BLS RBDe 566-I instead.

Markus, G�rbetal


Re: Geneve-La Plaine (was Re: SBB 2014 timetable changes)

Max Wyss
 

The 550 units will be withdrawn and SBB is looking to sell them.
I guess TPL/tsol might be interested...
From what I believe to remember reading, there were talks, but the SBB
wanted too much, and so TL ordered a few new vehicles.

Max.

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