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Re: SBB Historic cab-view ride on the Gotthard route.

gordonwis
 

Out of interest, is it the 21st century safety regime that has forced the change? In other words, if SBB were to run a 'tourist' train in a local train path with an old EW driving trailer like I mentioned earlier in the thread could they still run it with just the driver?


Re: WG: articule Bulle-Broc en voie normale

gordonwis
 

This a classic example of why and how the Inter rail concept is being eroded


Re: WG: articule Bulle-Broc en voie normale

OL.Guerbetal
 

Am 10.05.2014 09:41, schrieb Krist van Besien krist.vanbesien@gmail.com [SwissRail]:
Brings me to something else: With Interrail you have free travel on
SBB, but only half price on TPF. What applies on the Romont - Bulle
line?
Since 09.12.2012 SBB has a concession for REs to Bulle and TPF has a concession for REs Fribourg - Bulle too. Thus the trains are what is painted on them. It would now be a good question to ask SBB, if Interrail is valid in every SBB train or not...

Markus, Gürbetal


Re: WG: articule Bulle-Broc en voie normale

Krist van Besien
 

On Sat, May 10, 2014 at 12:36 AM, Guerbetaler
muesche2-swissrail@yahoo.de [SwissRail] <SwissRail@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:

This isn't possible because the Bern - Romont - Bulle train runs coupled
with the Bern - Romont - Palézieux train on the Bern - Romont section.
These are SBB NPZ Domino while the Fribourg/Freiburg - Bulle trains are
operated with TPF Flirts. Flirt and NPZ can't be combined.
Brings me to something else: With Interrail you have free travel on
SBB, but only half price on TPF. What applies on the Romont - Bulle
line?

Krist


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Re: SBB Historic cab-view ride on the Gotthard route.

OL.Guerbetal
 

Am 09.05.2014 08:46, schrieb muffcj@yahoo.co.uk [SwissRail]:
Sorry to be dim, but why does it cost so much ?
Because the arrangement requires (for safety reasons) a second driver on the locomotive.

Markus, Gürbetal


Re: WG: articule Bulle-Broc en voie normale

OL.Guerbetal
 

Am 09.05.2014 09:44, schrieb Krist van Besien:
Interesting. I expected they'd be more efficient and turn a Bern -
Bulle train back on a Bulle - Fribourg train...
This isn't possible because the Bern - Romont - Bulle train runs coupled with the Bern - Romont - Palézieux train on the Bern - Romont section. These are SBB NPZ Domino while the Fribourg/Freiburg - Bulle trains are operated with TPF Flirts. Flirt and NPZ can't be combined.

Markus, Gürbetal


Re: SBB Historic cab-view ride on the Gotthard route.

bs177@...
 

---In SwissRail@..., wrote :
yes, they also do freight nights where you ride in the cab of one of the ae6/6 whilst it pushes freight trains up from Erstfeld to Goschenen. This is usually CHF650 for the night and you get a talk in German, a lunch in the drivers canteen and about 3 runs up the hill and back. A group of us are doing this in mid-September with English talks and over 4 consecutive days or nights at a reduced rate (CHF 585), we have a couple of spare slots if anyone is interested.
Helena

Just out of curiosity, which slots are spare, I am staying in Interlaken in mid sept?
Cheers
bruce

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re Stadler moves into Highspeed train market with SBB order

Martin Baumann
 


Stadler moves into Highspeed train market with SBB order

Martin Baumann
 

Stalder has got the contract for 29 new EMU sets to work through the Gotthard base tunnel:

http://www.srf.ch/news/wirtschaft/peter-spuhler-baut-die-neuen-gotthard-zuege

(German)


Re: WG: articule Bulle-Broc en voie normale

Krist van Besien
 

On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 9:43 PM, Guerbetaler <muesche2-swissrail@yahoo.de> wrote:
Am 08.05.2014 11:27, schrieb Krist van Besien:
You would then need to provide a seperate train for this shuttle.
Adding a standard train to the current roster that serves the (Bern) -
Fribourg - Bulle services is more efficient.
You don't need any additional train set, because each set waits at Bulle
about 40 min (i.e. 38 or 42) which is enough to go down to Broc instead.
Interesting. I expected they'd be more efficient and turn a Bern -
Bulle train back on a Bulle - Fribourg train...

Krist


Re: SBB Historic cab-view ride on the Gotthard route.

Andrew
 

I have to agree with you in respect of the cost. I'm sure they will have reasons for charging what appears to be a huge amount of money. It's a great shame as it will be completely unaffordable for most of us on this group and many others who would love to have such a fantastic opportunity/

Sorry to be dim, but why does it cost so much ?

Andy Muff

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Re: SBB Historic cab-view ride on the Gotthard route.

Heléna Moretti
 

yes, they also do freight nights where you ride in the cab of one of the ae6/6 whilst it pushes freight trains up from Erstfeld to Goschenen. This is usually CHF650 for the night and you get a talk in German, a lunch in the drivers canteen and about 3 runs up the hill and back. A group of us are doing this in mid-September with English talks and over 4 consecutive days or nights at a reduced rate (CHF 585), we have a couple of spare slots if anyone is interested.

Helena
On 8 May 2014, at 16:53, <muffcj@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

This may be of some interest to somebody. Apologies if it's been mentioned before.

http://www.sbb.ch/en/leisure-holidays/day-trips/ideas-for-your-freetime.angebotdetail.tagesausfluege-erlebnisreisen-sbb_historic-sbb_historic_fuehrerstandsfahrten_am_gotthard.html http://www.sbb.ch/en/leisure-holidays/day-trips/ideas-for-your-freetime.angebotdetail.tagesausfluege-erlebnisreisen-sbb_historic-sbb_historic_fuehrerstandsfahrten_am_gotthard.html


I was lucky enough to take some close up photos of BDe 4/4 1646 (and many others) during an open day at Erstfeld on the 4th August 2012. I enjoyed a very nice cup of coffee and a chat with very friendly staff inside 1646 !

The cost seems a little steep at approx 289 GBP, but that said, what a fantastic opportunity.

Andy





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Re: Tm IV conversions

bs177@...
 


> 232 308 ex 8788
> 232 309 ex 9655
> 232 310 ex 9672
> 232 311 ex 9681
> 232 312 ex 9682
> 232 313 ex 9663
> 232 314 ex 9678
> 232 315 ex 9670
>
> Markus

Thanks a million and thanks for anticipating similar questions about the rest!

Cheers

Bruce

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Re: Tm IV conversions

Guerbetaler
 

Am 06.05.2014 11:02, schrieb bs177@ggbooks.plus.com:
Could anyone advise the former identities of 232 308 and 309 please?
I'm guessing likely candidates 8764, 8773, 8787 and 8792 and an
outside chance of 9672.
232 308 ex 8788
232 309 ex 9655
232 310 ex 9672
232 311 ex 9681
232 312 ex 9682
232 313 ex 9663
232 314 ex 9678
232 315 ex 9670

Markus


Re: SBB Historic cab-view ride on the Gotthard route.

gordonwis
 

No need to apologise, but yes we have discussed this before, including my contribution, which I shall repeat here - sorry folks!

I consider the price of these SBBH rides extortionate but then I am old enough to have had a 'cab ride' in the 1980s when SBB published a booklet telling you which trains you could 'ride with the driver' - usually in driving trailers on the Gotthard


Re: WG: articule Bulle-Broc en voie normale

OL.Guerbetal
 

Don't forget that Broc-Fabrique receives the train du chocolat consisting of three coaches and a locomotive and that's also some 70 m

Two of the curves between Broc and Broc-Fabrique will be somewhat widened.

Markus, Gürbetal


Re: WG: articule Bulle-Broc en voie normale

OL.Guerbetal
 

Am 08.05.2014 11:27, schrieb Krist van Besien:
You would then need to provide a seperate train for this shuttle.
Adding a standard train to the current roster that serves the (Bern) -
Fribourg - Bulle services is more efficient.
You don't need any additional train set, because each set waits at Bulle about 40 min (i.e. 38 or 42) which is enough to go down to Broc instead.

Markus, Gürbetal


SBB Historic cab-view ride on the Gotthard route.

Andrew
 

This may be of some interest to somebody. Apologies if it's been mentioned before.

http://www.sbb.ch/en/leisure-holidays/day-trips/ideas-for-your-freetime.angebotdetail.tagesausfluege-erlebnisreisen-sbb_historic-sbb_historic_fuehrerstandsfahrten_am_gotthard.html http://www.sbb.ch/en/leisure-holidays/day-trips/ideas-for-your-freetime.angebotdetail.tagesausfluege-erlebnisreisen-sbb_historic-sbb_historic_fuehrerstandsfahrten_am_gotthard.html


I was lucky enough to take some close up photos of BDe 4/4 1646 (and many others) during an open day at Erstfeld on the 4th August 2012. I enjoyed a very nice cup of coffee and a chat with very friendly staff inside 1646 !

The cost seems a little steep at approx 289 GBP, but that said, what a fantastic opportunity.

Andy


Re: WG: articule Bulle-Broc en voie normale

Krist van Besien
 

On Wed, May 7, 2014 at 4:53 PM, Andrew Moglestue <amogles@yahoo.com> wrote:
Because (for example) extending the present regio express to Broc would require more than a simple re-gauging. It would require building long platforms not only in Broc station but also at the intermediate stops between there and Bulle. In many cases there isn't the space for this so land would have to be acquired and the impact would be huge.
The intermediate stations will be closed. Only Broc, and Broc Fabrique
will remain.

. Surely a simple re-gauging plus change of electrification would be sufficient to save the freight service, and a local passenger service could be provided with a suitable short train such as a GTW, all within the present right of way.
You would then need to provide a seperate train for this shuttle.
Adding a standard train to the current roster that serves the (Bern) -
Fribourg - Bulle services is more efficient.

It's part of a complete redesign of the local transport network.

Krist




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