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Re: Geneva tram services in chaos. Plus Santa team in Bern. 17/12/2014

Martin Baumann
 

1819 hit another tram (which must have been removed before Keith saw it) due to a defective set of points

[Blickpunkt Strassenbahn 01.2015]


ETR 470

Martin Baumann
 

The last SBB ETR470 will be withdrawn on 11.04.2015. In December 2015 FS will replace theirs by reintroducing their ETR610 sets on services to Switzerland


Re: Authenticity of a model

KEMPKENS, Klaus <klaus.kempkens@...>
 

Bemo did the same some years ago already with a MOB panoramic train in RhB Bernina livery

The Arosa Allegra is somewhat logical, has a reasonable number and looks good - but it is just imagination.
Since the Bemo model was first, I suppose the LGB one is a model of the Bemo Allegra, not of a prototype :-)

And by the way, I did something similar with a GFM/ MOB GDe 4/4 loco, painting it in standard red RhB livery and renumbering it to 191 for my Bernina line.

Klaus Kempkens


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Hi John,
Bemo are making the same fantasy model, it does not exist as a prototype hence the non-existant running number.
Glyn

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Re: Authenticity of a model

glyn.jones
 

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Hi John,
Bemo are making the same fantasy model, it does not exist as a prototype hence the non-existant running number.
Glyn


Authenticity of a model

john_dmj
 

I note that LGB are releasing an Allegra unit number 3500 in Arosa livery later this year. My references do not list this unit and I have not seen any Allegra in other than RhB red livery.

Has anyone sighted the prototype for this model?

Thanks

John


Re: Re couple of Pics from recent trip

Tim Johnson
 

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Agree. Fionbarr, those are beautiful photos.
Tim
Timothy A Johnson, Tucson, AZ
(www.sbb-bls-bahnen.com)
European Train Enthusiasts, Central Arizona Chapter (www.ete.org)


Re: RBe 540

Martin Baumann
 

"On the 13th [13.12.2014] 540 020 and 038 were in service replacing a 460 set running Zürich-Flughafen-Luzern-Zürich"


They worked 2319 and 2328 Zürich HB-Luzern and return which were the last 540 passenger trains.


540 052 was stopped on 22.12.2014


The remaining 540 are being held in reserve for the time being but SBB hopes to be able to dispose of them without further use as the remaining ones all require bogie overhauls.


[EA 2/2015]


Re couple of Pics from recent trip

Andrew
 

Thanks Fionbarr, these are lovely photos.


Switzerland + Trains + Snow = Paradise !


Thanks again for sharing them with us.


Re: Couple of pics from recent trip

pra@...
 

Lovely photos. One correction though . . . 3512 is obviously entering Filisur, not Chur!


Pete Arnold (UK)


Couple of pics from recent trip

Fionnbarr Kennedy
 

Hi all

couple of pics for those interested - mainly RHB. It was wonderful to see so much freight (only some of which I recorded)

Fionnbarr

RHB https://www.flickr.com/photos/fionnbarr/sets/72157650321529870/

RHB https://www.flickr.com/photos/fionnbarr/sets/72157650321529870/show Finnie.k's RHB set



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Re: Dates of Zurich HbF additions

Peter <pittadam699@...>
 

At 12:20 08/02/15 -0800, Martin wrote:
The tracks next to the Altstetten station building have an unusual layout. Track one is never in regular use as it is built into the platform for track 2 in tramway style. This platform is lower than the four main platforms and is only used for three terminating peak hour trains Monday to Friday
There is a very good view of Track 1 at Altstetten at the beginning of <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bh8yaB9HU-U>


BLS line freight timetable for Thun

yatton123
 


Re: Question on Swiss mountain railways

yatton123
 

was quite common to keep the cows down in the farms and only send up to
the alps the young cattle (not giving milk or even male animals).
Finally the cooling possibilities were not at the point where they are now.
This I didn't know. Interesting.

Nothing to do with Switzerland but on this subject I used to work on a farm on the edge of the northern levels in Somerset and we did the opposite - dry cows and the young were taken down to the levels in summer , they were under water in the winter, and brought back to the high land (about 15 metres above sea level !!!) in the autumn. The levels were around sea level.
Back to Switzerland,I sought shelter in a farm above Kandersteg when a huge storm approached. The lady was making cheese and she gave me some of the bits that hadn't stay in the muslin - very tasty.


Re: Question on Swiss mountain railways

Andrew Moglestue
 

Rather not, as in these times all milk on the alps was used to make
>cheese (Alpkäse) as it is still done in many places today. Moreover it

The same was true in Britain, with the major cities getting milk from
the immediate area and places easily served by rail and the more innaccessible
areas instead using their milk mostly for cheese. This is why today you get
cheeses from places like the Lake District and the Pennines but the
art is long dead in Kent or Buckhinghamshire.

I guess in Switzerland the process was not as extreme as you do
still get cheeses made in the Züribiet.

>was quite common to keep the cows down in the farms and only send up to
>the alps the young cattle (not giving milk or even male animals).
>Finally the cooling possibilities were not at the point where they are now.

This I didn't know. Interesting.


Re: Dates of Zurich HbF additions

Andrew Moglestue
 

Always wondered why you would do that. I guess it is probably a hang-over from the very early days, when
>maybe platforms 1 and 2 where all there were.

In the early days, the railways actually made more money with goods than with passengers and the
principal purpose of small country stations was to handle and distribute goods, with passenger
functions just being an add on. Goods sheds were thus frequently larger than the station building.
Thus it is no surprise that stations were designed with goods in mind.


Re: Dates of Zurich HbF additions

Andrew Moglestue
 

While on the topic of platform and track numbering

My impression is that the track set tram style in the platform surface as seen at Altstetten
is in fact quite common, or was in the older style of stations, with this track being useful for
shunting and also accessing the goods shed which typically in smaller stations was attached to or
at least adjacent to the main building.

This is in contrast to Germany where the goods shed track would typically end at a buffer stop
rather than running in front of the station building. Thus it was more complicated to shunt
wagons onto that track.

In Britain, the goods shed was typically totally separate from the main building and thus
this problem didn't occur.

Typically (in CH) passenger trains would stop on track 2 with passengers walking across track 1.

Until recently several stations on the Seetal line still used this style, although the goods tracks
have been out of use for some time.

On double track lines you typically get an island platform and these thus become tracks 3 and
4, with the numbers typically being retained even if 1 is taken out of use. Thus there is a high
prevalence of stations in Switzerland in which only tracks 3 and 4 have platforms seeing
regular use.


Re: Dates of Zurich HbF additions

Chris Wood
 

Martin wrote:

The tracks next to the Altstetten station building have an unusual layout. Track one is never in regular
use as it is built into the platform for track 2 in tramway style.
That doesn't seem that unusual for Swiss stations. Wollishofen, for example, has (or perhaps had) the same layout. Pretty sure I've seen it elsewhere too, although my memory is failing me for where.

Always wondered why you would do that. I guess it is probably a hang-over from the very early days, when maybe platforms 1 and 2 where all there were.


Re: Dates of Zurich HbF additions

OL.Guerbetal
 

Am 08.02.2015 um 20:51 schrieb chris_j_wood@... [SwissRail]:
In Switzerland, they say they number tracks. I've never quite
resolved the question as to whether they actually do, or whether they
actually number "tracks at which trains stop to embark or disembark
passengers".
We do count the tracks, not only the "tracks at which trains stop to embark or disembark passengers".

In a brochure about the then new Bern railway station (1965) I found a description and photo from where I can deduct:
- in the underpass only platform numbers 1 through 6 were indicated;
- each platform with two tracks served one destination, because there were no dynamic information systems then.

Platform 1 (track 1/2) was for Fribourg
Platform 2 (track 3/4) was for Luzern
Platform 3 (track 5/6) was for Thun
Platform 4 (track 7/8) was for Olten
Platform 5 (track 9/10) was for Biel
Platform 6 (track 12/13) was for BN/GBS

BN/GBS are the lines for Neuchâtel, Schwarzenburg and Belp-Thun.
You will note that track 11 has no platform (but exists!)
The track numbers are still the same, but the platform numbers are long gone. Thanks to dynamic information systems...

Markus, Gürbetal


Re: Dates of Zurich HbF additions

bs177@...
 

"---In SwissRail@..., <geor@...> wrote :

Once sometime in the period 2000-2003 I did see some equipment move slowly along track 1, watching for pedestrians.

George"

I saw an instruction carriage/mobile classroom parked there when I visited last autumn, and traktors going to and from the adjacent sidings use it.
b


Re: Dates of Zurich HbF additions

OL.Guerbetal
 

Am 08.02.2015 um 21:27 schrieb martin98baumann@... [SwissRail]:
"In Swiss stations tracks are numbered from 1 up going away from the
station building" -- There are occaisional exceptions where a track
has been removed or renumbered.
Don't forget Montreux, where you depart to Vevey on track 1 and come back on track 3, although there is no space between the two tracks. In fact, track 1 was removed and the platform edge put forward to track 2 which was renumbered 1, but n° 3 remained. Tracks 4 etc. are narrow gauge (MOB, MVR).

Markus, Gürbetal

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