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Re: Interesting dversions on 11+12 April

csipromo
 

I was thinking about the junction in Baar where the Affoltern line connects with traffic in direction of Zug, but forgot that that line joins with the Thalwil-Arth Goldau line just south of the Zug station and trains can only run north into Zug station and not continue in direction of Walchwil and Arth. I guess that ICN trains could potentially reverse direction in Zug Bahnhof, but as you said, the Heiterberg-Rotkreuz connection makes more sense.


Regards


Mike C


Re: New RhB EMU sets

OL.Guerbetal
 

Am 06.04.2015 um 20:06 schrieb Gordon Wiseman gordonwis@yahoo.com
[SwissRail]:
--adding RhB didn't work. Many boxes appear - which one is the one to
put RhB into?
where? what? sorry, I don't understand what you are speaking about.

In the meantime, Am I correct in thinking this would be enough
plastic to remove all loco hauled passenger except Chur - St Moritz,
which may or may not remain Ge4/4III hauled even though they would be
hauling fixed rakes?
No, you aren't (correct). Plans are to introduce half-hourly services and this needs the Ge 4/4 II with the additional driving trailers as well.

Markus, Gürbetal


Re: New RhB EMU sets

gordonwis
 

--adding RhB didn't work. Many boxes appear - which one is the one to put RhB into?

In the meantime, Am I correct in thinking this would be enough plastic to remove all loco hauled passenger except Chur - St Moritz, which may or may not remain Ge4/4III hauled even though they would be hauling fixed rakes?


Reasonably priced Hotels with good rail access

Fred Hoeser
 

I will be visiting Switzerland in August 2015. I need to find some reasonably priced lodging with good rail access in the western part of Switzerland.
Some place in the Bern, Lusanne, Sion, Martigny areas or am open to suggestion.
One person traveling by myself and prefer private bath if possible.
Since this is not directly rail related, please feel free to reply directly to my email.


I have enjoyed your group emails for over a year.


Thanks,
Fred Hoeser
Wisconsin, USA


Re: BLS Re 420

Martin Baumann
 

420 504 was deleted from the BLS website by mistake. It is working 6000.2 today


New RhB EMU sets

Martin Baumann
 

RhB have requested tenders for 27 EMU sets with options for further 19. These are intended to replace loco-hauled trains. They have already been allocated numbers (!) 3111 to 3137. Tenders must be received by 28.08.2015. Each unit must have a minimum of 32 first class and 128 standard seats (not including tip-up seats). Maximum length will be 76.5m


It is intended to introduce services which will split on route with these units.



The full text of the tender can be found at


https://www.simap.ch/shabforms/COMMON/search/searchresultDetail.jsf


If that link does not work put "RhB" in the search box


11317

Martin Baumann
 

11317 worked RJ 165 Zürich to Buchs today due to an unspecified problem with the 1116

(perhaps it was one not passed for Switzerland)


Last night 11191 worked RJ 169 Buchs-Zürich


Re: Interesting dversions on 11+12 April

OL.Guerbetal
 

Am 05.04.2015 um 20:22 schrieb csipromo@yahoo.com [SwissRail]:
When I referred to the Affoltern am Albis-Zug line, I was referring
to Gotthard bound traffic and not to Zurich-Luzern traffic.
We didn't miss that point. But to be useful for Gotthard traffic, the line form Affoltern a.A. would need one of the former features, allowing either to enter Zug from Baar direction to continue towards Walchwil - Arth-Goldau or a connection in Cham direction which would also require a Rotkreuz avoiding line to continue towards Immmensee - Arth-Goldau.

All these missing elements leave Z�rich - Adliswil - Sihlbrugg - Zug - Walchwil - Arth-Goldau and Z�rich - Heitersberg - Muri - Rotkreuz - Immensee - Arth-Goldau as the best solutions because they don't require to change direction.

Markus, G�rbetal


Re: Interesting dversions on 11+12 April

csipromo
 

When I referred to the Affoltern am Albis-Zug line, I was referring to Gotthard bound traffic and not to Zurich-Luzern traffic.

Regards


Mike C


Re: Interesting dversions on 11+12 April

Martin Baumann
 

Sorry, typo in last message. Should read:


" The Zug loop closed on May 15th 1990"


Re: Interesting dversions on 11+12 April

Martin Baumann
 

The curve enabling a direct run from Alfoltern am Albis to Luzern closed November 19 1970


The Zug loop closed on May 5th 1990. I travelled over it twice:

July 24 1986. In that timetable there was a train from Zürich Wollishofen to Zug via Wiedikon-Altstetten-Afoltern (7168) On the day I travelled it was 11202


January 16 1990 Train 7140 Zürich HB-Zug (11384)


Re: Interesting dversions on 11+12 April

Max Wyss
 

Are they not using the Altstetten-Urdorf-Affoltern am Albis-Zug line for
traffic to the Gotthard?

That line is very busy on a Saturday, and there are conflicts between the
Gotthard trains and the S-Bahn. However, this could kind of be overcome,
but the more serious issue is that the trains would have to change
direction in Zug (the loop in Zug was discontinued when the Bahnhof Zug was
rebuilt). There used to be a connection between Cham and Steinhausen
(nicknamed Sumpfgleis; swamp track), but that got cut when they built the
A4a highway, some 40 years ago; I was riding that track once, way back in
elementary school, when we came back from the school trip, and there was an
accident in Zug, so that the Luzern - Zürich express was diverted via
Affoltern aA; and because the station master was also president of the
school district, he arranged an extraordinary stop.

Do trains routed via Wohlen-Rotkreuz access that line via
Killwangen/Othmarsigen or is there another route?

No, they go through the Heitersberg tunnel.

Max.


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Re: Interesting dversions on 11+12 April

OL.Guerbetal
 

Am 04.04.2015 um 18:17 schrieb csipromo@yahoo.com [SwissRail]:
Are they not using the Altstetten-Urdorf-Affoltern am Albis-Zug line
for traffic to the Gotthard?
Did you ever think of how a train arriving in Zug from Knonau can
continue to Walchwil? It would have to continue to Baar and change direction there.

Do trains routed via Wohlen-Rotkreuz access that line via
Killwangen/Othmarsigen or is there another route?
No, there is no other line.

Markus, G�rbetal


Re: Yugoslavia

OL.Guerbetal
 

Am 04.04.2015 um 18:26 schrieb csipromo@yahoo.com [SwissRail]:
Were there also Kurswagen between Zurich and Zagreb via Graz and Maribor?
I have never heard of such through coaches and the Swiss timetable 1957/58 doesn't even show this itinerary.

Markus, G�rbetal


Re: Yugoslavia

csipromo
 

Were there also Kurswagen between Zurich and Zagreb via Graz and Maribor?

Regards


Mike C


Re: Interesting dversions on 11+12 April

csipromo
 

Are they not using the Altstetten-Urdorf-Affoltern am Albis-Zug line for traffic to the Gotthard?

Do trains routed via Wohlen-Rotkreuz access that line via Killwangen/Othmarsigen or is there another route?


Regards


Mike C


Interesting dversions on 11+12 April

Martin Baumann
 

From 1200 on Saturday 11th April to 1600 on Sunday 12th April Horgen Oberdorf to Silhbrugg is closed due to engineering work.

EC trains from and to the Gotthard line will be diverted via the SZU (including the closed Sihlbrugg to Sihlwald section and the rarely used Giesshübel-Wiedikon line) and terminate (or start) at low level platform 31 in Zürich HB

ICN and IR trains that run between Zürich and Arth Goldau will be diverted via Wohlen-Rotkreuz and will stop additionally at Rotkreuz.

Zürich HB/Flughafen to Luzern trains are cancelled between Baar and Zürich

There will be extra nonstop trains Zürich-Rotkreuz via Wohlen

The S24 is replaced by buses between Horgen Oberdorf and Baar

The overnight trains on the Zürich-Luzern line will also run via the SZU line


Re: Stranger in the camp

OL.Guerbetal
 

Am 02.04.2015 um 08:00 schrieb bs177@ggbooks.plus.com [SwissRail]:
Haribu has posted photos of MGB 2011 at Landquart which must be a
first. I assume that there is no technical reason (signalling
perhaps) why it could not have made the journey under its own power
and if so I would assume that a MGB driver would take it all the way
assisted by an RhB driver to act as pilot (uk term but I suspect you
realise what it means). Or would it be easier just to tow it with a
loco?
The EMU made the journey under its own power. Train warning and train stop system is the same on RhB and MGB (ZSI-90). MGB placed an RhB-type collector shoe on one of the pantographs (the one side Landquart), this is the only adaptation necessary (RhB zig-zag being somewhat wider).

A pilot is called "Pilot" in Switzerland... :-)

Markus, Gürbetal


Re: Yugoslavia

OL.Guerbetal
 

Am 03.04.2015 um 13:27 schrieb Toma Bacic:
http://i.imgur.com/keA7tBX.jpg
I think that the first car after the locomotive is SBB car...
It is one of the C4ü 5201-99 (originally 8965-94 and 9531-99), built 1934-43, with 9 compartments, weighing between 38 and 41 t and allowed for 140 km/h (120 until 1957). Heating equipment was either
- 1000 V and steam or
- 1000 V, 3000 V and steam or
- 1000 V, 1500 V, 3000 V and steam (1950/51)

There were also 54 AB4ü and 16 ABC4ü of the same type. All 169 coaches were withdrawn 1969-77, with one coach written off 1962 after a fire.

30 F4ü 18529-58 and 5 FZ4ü 19101-05, 1954 rebuilt as F4ü 18559-63 were added 1936-40 and some of them lasted into the 1990ies.

Markus, Gürbetal


Re: Yugoslavia

OL.Guerbetal
 

Am 03.04.2015 um 13:27 schrieb Toma Bacic:
http://i.imgur.com/keA7tBX.jpg
I think that the first car after the locomotive is SBB car... Now, the
question is; when first direct trains (or through cars) were in use
between Switzerland and Yugoslavia (which route, kidn of service
etc)...
If I'm not mistaken, soon after 2nd World War international trains resumed. Trains Basel/Zürich - Yugoslavia always took the itinerary Buchs - Schwarzach-St. Veit - Jesenice - Ljubliana. There was one train a day with through coaches from Basel to Beograd.

And then there was the Simplon-Orient-Express from Paris via Lausanne - Milano - Trieste - Ljubliana - Beograd and having on some days through coaches to Athens.

Markus, Gürbetal

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