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Re: Freight Train Collision in Erstfeld

Martin Baumann
 

11673+11333 ran into the side of a freight train. It is unclear if they were heading another freight or light engines


Re: Freight Train Collision in Erstfeld

Ewan Tait
 

On 13 May 2015, at 07:16, csipromo@yahoo.com [SwissRail] <
SwissRail@yahoogroups.com> wrote:



20 Minutes CH is reporting that two freight trains collided in Erstfeld at
around 1AM local time and that traffic on the Gotthard is affected with
some trains between Bellinzona and Arth-Goldau being replaced by buses.


More details here:
http://www.20min.ch/schweiz/news/story/Zuege-krachen-bei-Erstfeld-zusammen---Unterbruch-24516547



Bahnonline shows the derailed SBB locos

http://www.bahnonline.ch/wp/86365/gotthardstrecke-seitliche-kollision-zweier-gueterzuege-erstfeld-unterbrochen-13-5-2015.htm

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Freight Train Collision in Erstfeld

csipromo
 

20 Minutes CH is reporting that two freight trains collided in Erstfeld at around 1AM local time and that traffic on the Gotthard is affected with some trains between Bellinzona and Arth-Goldau being replaced by buses.


More details here: http://www.20min.ch/schweiz/news/story/Zuege-krachen-bei-Erstfeld-zusammen---Unterbruch-24516547 http://www.20min.ch/schweiz/news/story/Zuege-krachen-bei-Erstfeld-zusammen---Unterbruch-24516547

Regards


Mike C


Re: SBB Open Day - Erstfeld

Keith <keith47424@...>
 

I also use this one
http://www.swissheritagerailways.com/calender.html. Ran by a friend who is very knowledgable on things Swiss.


Cheers Keith47424.


SBB Historic loco shuffling

bs177@...
 

I found a link to the 10439 team website which says that the public can visit Olten depot on the following days: July 11 and Oct 17 between 1400 and 1530 whilst they shuffle the historic locos which go out on the main line to keep them in working order.
Might be of use to someone!
B


Re: Sunday Freight

OL.Guerbetal
 

Am 12.05.2015 um 19:53 schrieb dongatehouse@gmail.com [SwissRail]:
Thursday 14th May Ascension Day will generate many cancellations and
will impact on trans-alpine traffic on Friday also, I guess, so do
take note as it should be of little surprise when traffic levels are
down.
It might be useful to know that Ascension Day is a bank holiday in Switzerland but not in Italy (even though that Italy is, in percentage, more catholic than Switzerland...)

Markus, G�rbetal


Re: Travys Em 3/3 (was: Em 3/3 18832)

OL.Guerbetal
 

Am 12.05.2015 um 00:00 schrieb Gordon Wiseman:
It is interesting that OC (OK Travys then...!) now has ex SBB locos
which are as old as me (over 50 years...) to work the industrial area
around Chavornay in place of /to supplement much younger locos .
Could they not have found something more recently built elsewhere or
are the ex-SBB Em3/3 locos available for little more then scrap
value?
It might be helpful to know that the line is going to be re-electrified in 15 kV 16.7 Hz ac within a few years. For this, a new entry into Chavornay is needed. At the moment, negotiations are going on between Travys and SBB on how to accomplish the task. Once finished, freight trains will go through to the Travys infrastructure without the need of any action by Travys. At that time the Em 3/3 might be surplus and the Ee 2/2 anyway. Perhaps Em 3/3 3 would survive.

It is not yet clear how passenger traffic will continue. It would be possible, in theory, that FLIRTs from Lausanne run through to Orbe. However, path availability is considered insufficient to do this. Thus, some sort of shuttle might continue, but now in ac.


Re: Sunday Freight

DAVID STEVENSON
 

I’ve no idea why this should have got to this state but the mod should put an end to it. As someone who knows Don very well one could not wish to meet a more knowledgeable enthusiast whose photography is well known to many of us and whose willingness to share it is testament to what a thoroughly decent human being he is. I strongly suggest we get on with what this group is all about.
DAVID STEVENSON


Re: Sunday Freight

Andrew
 

Hi Don.

Thank you very much for your rant. It adds further substance to our previous point.

Keep digging your hole, you are doing a fine job. Maybe you need to get somebody to change your nappy for you.

X


Re: SBB Open Day - Erstfeld

glyn.jones
 

[Top posting repaired by the moderator]


Hi John, SBB Historic events are shown on their website here:
http://www.sbbhistoric.ch/de/veranstaltungen-fahrten/kalender/kalenderansicht.html?action=refreshCalendar&month=5&year=2015.
The Swiss are notoriously slow to publicise events, often doing so at the last minute or in a very localised area. They do not seem to understand that "foreigners" will be interested in their local event. The railways own website will usually advertise these events and whenever I find out about them as webmaster of the Swiss Railways Society I put them on the Society's website for the benefit of our members. Glyn


Re: Sunday Freight

Don
 

Thank you John for your post and clarity.

In the spirit of guidance, if anyone is out and about in CH this week, take a look at the Hupac link:


http://customerinformation.hupac.ch/HPCT_WEB/2015051219445778.pdf http://customerinformation.hupac.ch/HPCT_WEB/2015051219445778.pdf



Hupac's Holiday List is always a good indicator of those days when freight in particular will not be as active as normal. Thursday 14th May Ascension Day will generate many cancellations and will impact on trans-alpine traffic on Friday also, I guess, so do take note as it should be of little surprise when traffic levels are down.


Cheers, Don


Re: Sunday Freight

john.jesson5@...
 

Sunday freight on the Gotthard can be variable, but I agree with Don
Gatehouse that the level seen is not unusual. Monday is usually the dead
day, but starts to pick up in the afternoon. The BLS Brownies have been
working over the Gotthard for a couple of years, working southbound (from
Erstfeld) in the late morning on a train of bogie open wagons. Last year,
one of these trains was double-headed with a banker. The 610 units have
replaced the SBB 470 units this year, although the FS 470�s are still in
use, I believe. The 610�s have been used over the Gotthard before; there
was a morning train Basel � Venice (I think) a few years ago.
All in all, what Don has stated is correct. The situation on any route can
change quite quickly, so what was seen and experienced three years ago is
not a guide to what is going on currently.
John


Re: Sunday Freight

Don
 

Now that was a strange reply to a posting that gave you guidance on where to find the confirmation that your observations were in line with what is published by SBB on the internet. You had, I think made enquiries on this Forum prior to your trip on what would be running but maybe you had overlooked the available information. Surely you did not spend your savings on a trip to observe and post your sightings without some prior research?

I can only assume that on your previous visit you were just unlucky not to see a BLS Brown, they have been regular performers for a while now. Indeed your latest posting (I note you included the time!) was the 49005 regular steel wire working that has been a feature for several years but thanks anyway for your observation.


So that you are clear, I do not patronise and as far as your comment about 'level', you need to be careful on an open Forum and show a better measure of understanding of what you read before engaging a digit to attempt a reply. That I hope will come with greater maturity in time.

One final point, are you the same Muff individual that threw his dummy from the pram and left this Forum some time ago, perchance? If so, your e mail is par for the course, I guess.


Enjoy the rest of your trip.


Don Gatehouse


Re: Travys Em 3/3 (was: Em 3/3 18832)

Martin Baumann
 

OC/Travys do have a 1985 Henschel 3 axle DE loco (32724) which was rebuilt and uprated in 2012 98 85 5837 803-6.


Re: Travys Em 3/3 (was: Em 3/3 18832)

gordonwis
 

It is interesting that OC (OK Travys then...!) now has ex SBB locos which are as old as me (over 50 years...) to work the industrial area around Chavornay in place of /to supplement much younger locos . Could they not have found something more recently built elsewhere or are the ex-SBB Em3/3 locos available for little more then scrap value?


Re: SBB Rolling stock for GBT opening

OL.Guerbetal
 

Am 11.05.2015 um 13:40 schrieb martin98baumann@outlook.com [SwissRail]:
The rolling stock I mentioned will still be able to operate anywhere
on the SBB network. GBT and LBT equipment is the same to the best of
my knowledge.
I don't think so.

The additions comprise enhanced fire protection including smoke
detectors for the passenger accommodation,
additional components against LBT equipment are
- fire detection including transmission of the alarm to the cab
- fire extinction in places with important technical equipment
- fire protection doors where necessary (ICN)

retention toilets where not already fitted and ETCS level 2 for all
cabs
The rolling stock in question got these features several years ago.

However, some EW IV still need to be upgraded for 200 km/h.

GBT-fitted coaches will get a "GBT" inscription in the box besides NBS and LBT markings, additionally they get yellow diamonds.

Markus, Gürbetal


Re: Prellbock books - ordering from UK

Chris Veitch
 

Thanks to everyone who helped with this both on the forum and personally - I've ordered, so let's see what happens next!


Re: SBB Rolling stock for GBT opening

Martin Baumann
 

"ETCS level 2 for all cabs" To clarify while this is a requirement of the GBT all Re 460, Bt 28-94 and ICN already have this. One of the modifications required is that the activation of the enhanced fire alarm is instantly notified to the driver which will require additional equipment in the cabs


Re: Sunday Freight

Andrew
 

Mr Gatehouse, I'm sure your comments were not mean't to be patronising or maybe they were.

To those of us who save our money up to enjoy a holiday in Switzerland occasionally the sightings I have reported are very much unusual.

I was last in Switzerland 3 years ago. I didn't see any BLS Brownies on The Gotthard line then. didn't see any ETR 610s on The Gotthard line then.

I have had several direct e.mails from members who are grateful for my postings.

I am minded to tell exactly what I think but I won't bring myself down to your level.

Andy


BLS Brownies - Erstfeld

Andrew
 

At 1100 local time 194 topped a rake of open bogie wagons containing steel wire ( or similar ) into the sidings at Erstfeld. It arrived from the north with 176 on the rear of the train. 176 was then detached and put into the front of the train. They, and its consist departed south, double headed at 1130 hrs.

Andy

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