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Re: 560 duties

bs177@...
 

Aarau, and Lausanne come to mind. Lausanne is pickled with them on most duties other than the main line which are Flirts. There's a few down in Ticino, and a limited number around Zurich. Bruce


Re: 560 duties

Martin Baumann
 

S-Bahn Zentralschweiz:
S8 (Sursee - Olten)

S-Bahn Aargau:
S23 (Baden - Langenthal) some trains
S27 (Baden - Bad Zurzach / Waldshut): some trains
S29 (Turgi - Aarau - (Langenthal) some trains
S(26) 8565 (Aarau - Muri AG)


S-Bahn Zürich
S35 (Winterthur - Will) some trains

19021 0544 Rekingen to Stadelhofen 0653
19072 1840 Zürich HB (Track 17) to Wohlen 1916

19029 0732 Koblenz to Stadelhofen 0823
19064 1634 Stadelhofen to Koblenz 1726

S-Bahn Ostwind:

S6 (Rapperswil -Schwanden - (Linthal))

S-Bahn Tessin (TILO):
S10 ((Airolo) - Castione-Arbedo - Chiasso a few trains
S20 (Castione-Arbedo – Locarno a few trains


RER Vaud:
S11 (Lausanne – Yverdon-les-Bains)
S21 (Lausanne–Payerne)
S31 (Vevey – Puidoux-Chexbres)
S (Lausanne–Vallorbe)
R (Vallorbe - Le Brassus)
R (Lausanne–Romont)
R (Payerne– Murten/Morat) some trains
R (Lausanne – St-Maurice)
R (Morges - Neuchâtel)

RER Fribourg:
S30 (Fribourg - Yverdon les Bains) some trains
S40 (Fribourg - Romont)

RE Bern-Bulle some trains

R (Biel - Neuchâtel)
R (La Chaux-de-Fonds - Neuchâtel)


Re: 560 duties

Don
 

I think the SBB Regio services based on Neuchâtel would be a good bet and then Yverdon would also see these units on Payerne services and the semi-fast Lausanne jobs maybe. HTH Don

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WRS Ae 1042 041 Query

Don
 

On Monday, 18th May I was at Sissach mid-afternoon when the WRS Ae 1042 passed southbound with a block train of green liveried cereal hoppers. Details can be viewed via the link provided:
WRS Cereals at Sissach https://www.flickr.com/photos/lickeybanker/18132367401/in/dateposted-public/



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WRS Cereals at Sissach https://www.flickr.com/photos/lickeybanker/18132367401/in/dateposted-public/ Recorded passing through Sissach en route south from Basel, former Austrian Federal Railways Ae 1042 041 had charge of a block train of 13 Romanian register...



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Has anyone any idea from where the cereal traffic was being conveyed and to where in Switzerland it was to be delivered? Georg Trub saw the train 2 days later heading north to Basel and indicated in his caption that the wagons had been collected from two locations, Sursee and Herzogenbuchsee.
Any help would be appreciated. TIA, Don


Schoellenen Gorge road closed by landlip

stephenhorobin
 

The Schoellenen road has been closed the MGB railway line unaffected.


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http://www.blick.ch/news/schweiz/felssturz-am-gotthard-schoellenenstrasse-bleibt-fuer-wochen-zu-id3793944.html

Felssturz am Gotthard: Schöllenenstrasse bleibt fü... http://www.blick.ch/news/schweiz/felssturz-am-gotthard-schoellenenstrasse-bleibt-fuer-wochen-zu-id3793944.html Bereits vergangene Woche ereignete sich zwischen Göschenen und Andermatt ein Felssturz. Wie genauere Abklärungen nun zeigen, muss die Pass-Strasse wegen d...



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Re: False memories?

Martin Baumann
 

Be 4/6 piloting Ae 6/6 11410 14 coaches near Wassen 31.08.1957 :

http://schienenfahrzeuge.netshadow.at/bahngalerie23_500/2007_06_24_657.jpg

Some of the coaches appear to be German and French , second last seems to be a German postal van (Z) and the last coach is an old Swiss postal van


560 duties

yatton123
 

I've been asked by someone who will be visiting Switzerland where the best places to see 560s (but not 560 4xxs) is.
I'm familiar with the workings around Olten . Can anyone suggest other locations that see plenty of these units.
Thanks in advance.


Re: False memories?

csipromo
 

I remember seeing a lot of Ae 4/7 on the Zurich-Ziegelbruecke-Chur line. I don't remember seeing that many on the Gotthard line. There were Ae 3/5 or Ae 3/6 that were used for the auto trains through the tunnel, but AFAIR the majority of international trains were Ae 6/6, schnellzug from Zurich or Luzern to Chiasso/Locarno/Lugano were Re 4/4II. The push-pull trains from Luzern to Goschenen and from Airolo to Bellinzona were Re 4/4I with ABt. I recall having seen the Ae 4/6 at Bellinzona and maybe Lugano, but do not recall seeing them above Bellinzona in 1971-72. I don't recall seeing the Ae 8/14 in use other than the Landilok which was already at the Verkehrshaus, but there were photos (11801) in the 1968 and 1971 editions of "Die Gotthardbahn" (Marti & Trueb) (Orell Fussli Publishing).


By 1971, the Be 4/6 had already been moved to secondary lines.
What was the main area of operation and duties of the Ae 4/6?
Which locomotives were used for the auto trains?


Was it also common in the 1960s to find international trains pulled by Re 4/4I or Ae 4/7 between Basel and Luzern?


Regards


Mike C


Re: False memories?

Andy Micklethwaite
 

Many thanks for your thoughts. So the memories weren't necessarily false - good to know :-)
Andy.


Re: False memories?

Martin Baumann
 

Somewhat off topic perhaps but on 10.02.1990 11435 plus 15 RIC coaches and an EWI WR worked train 33312 Schaffhausen to Brig and 31354 return (596 tonnes, 420m not including loco). The maximum gradient is slightly higher than the Gotthard and 11435 worked without assistance throughout. (I travelled on these workings, they were ski holiday specials and full in both directions)


Re: False memories?

OL.Guerbetal
 

Hans Schneeberger writes in his book about SBB locomotives that the diagrams of Ae 4/7 didn't include any regular running South of G�schenen after 1965.

All international trains of those years that I recall always had a domestic part and if it was only the dining car, an AB Leichtstahl and perhaps a mail van being detached in Chiasso.

I do remember international trains that were too long for any station, even Z�rich HB around 1980. But there were parts of the trackwork filled with sleepers/ties or similar, so that the first cars were accessible. Well, at that time a platform hight of 0 cm above rails was still "normal".

Unlike the Re 4/4 II with its MU possibility, there was no reason to plan two Ae 6/6 for the same train.

And don't forget, the last Ae 6/6 was delivered in 1966, the first series of Re 4/4 II in 1967/68, 1969 the delivery of more Re 4/4 II started, 1971 the Re 4/4 III came and 1972 the first Re 6/6. It was a time of fundamental changes and I don't think 1970 at the Gotthard was the same as 1969!

Markus, G�rbetal


Re: False memories?

csipromo
 

By 1969, a train from Basel to Chiasso over the Gotthard would have been pulled by a Re 4/4II or Ae 6/6 from Basel to Luzern. From Luzern to Chiasso, traction would most likely have been an Ae 6/6. It was possible to find trains pulled by the older Ae 4/6, but most of those were regional trains on the south side. The use of dual Re 4/4IIs was not yet common, as the second series was only then going into service and there were not yet sufficient numbers in service.


An Ae 6/6 would have no problem pulling a 14 coach consist up the Gotthard.
For some of the longer trains, they could use a twin set of Ae 6/6 or in some circumstances, an Ae 6/6 paired with one of the Ae 8/14 locomotives was used.


For freight trains, the maximum weight and length could be pulled by using one Ae 6/6 a the lead, with two additional Ae 6/6 locomotives spaced out in the first half of the train.


I think that when I was in Switzerland in 1971/72, I only witnessed trains with Ae 4/6 on one or two occasions. It seemed to me at that point that they were already being used for regional trains in Ticino (Bellinzona-Luino?, Bellinzona-Chiasso, Bellinzona-Locarno). I remember seeing push-pull trains with Re 4/4I (Luzern-Goschenen/Airolo-Bellinzona), Re 4/4II with leichtstahl/EWI/EWII (Luzern-Chiasso/Zurich-Locarno/Zurich-Lugano).


The Ae 4/6 were likely partially used as reserve by then and were put into service when operations limited the number of Ae 6/6 that were available. As more and more Re 4/4II and then finally (1972-1975) the Re 6/6 came into service, the Ae 4/6 was relegated to lesser duties.


Reminder, this post is based on the recollections of a (then) 10 year old boy.


Regards


Mike C


Re: False memories?

csipromo
 

The longest trains that can be accommodated by most Swiss stations at that time was I believe around 14 UIC-X type coaches (26.4m each). At that time, there were still a number of shorter length coaches in use, so some trains could be longer. It was not uncommon to find trains made up of Italian, Belgian, French or mixed coaches with lengths from 22 to 25m each. Even the SBB lightsteel, EWI and EWII domestic coaches were shorter, allowing for longer trains. The station platforms at Milano Centrale were not that long and for that reason, many trains consisted of sections that were detached at Chiasso and only part of the consist went all the way to Milano. If I remember from my trip in 1971-72, there were a few longer trains that continued past Milano to Bologna, Firenze and Rome that were longer than the platform at Milano Centrale, but passengers for Milano were advised to take place in the first coaches.
I know that Luzern had two designated platforms (Tracks 8 and 9) where overly long Gotthard trains would stop, as I believe did Zurich HB.
The book "Die Gotthardbahn" by Marti and Trueb has some photos that show these long trains in the 1968, 1971 and 1971 editions (Orell Fussli Verlag).


Regards


Mike C


Re: False memories?

Martin Baumann
 

18 RIC or similar coaches would be 475m, not including the loco (s) which would be too long for most platforms even today.

18 Leichtstahl or EW1/EWII would be around 430m not including power which again would not fit in many platforms though Zürich HB can now handle trains this long


Re: False memories?

Max Wyss
 

I first took a trip over the Gotthard in 1969. I seem to remember 18
coach trains. Am I right? What would be the locos for such a load?

For a single Ae6/6, that train could have been a bit too heavy (if all 18
cars were of the "international" type); if all cars were domestic SBB cars,
the weight of a 18-car train would have been suitable for a single Ae6/6.

If the weight was too much for an Ae6/6, one option would have been a
Re4/4" double header, or a helper over the Gotthard (although the Ceneri is
as steep; so another helper would have been needed there too). A helper
could have been another Ae6/6 (most likely), or an Ae4/6, or whatever was
available at Erstfeld/Bellinzona.

Max.


False memories?

Andy Micklethwaite
 

I first took a trip over the Gotthard in 1969. I seem to remember 18 coach trains. Am I right? What would be the locos for such a load?

Andy Mick.


Appenzeller Bahnen

OL.Guerbetal
 

AB had to put several vehicles temporarily out of use, basically all EW I are stored at the moment. All other vehicles are in use but the reserve is down to zero. Some consists are very interesting.

Instead of intermediate coaches some driving trailers and motor coaches are used. Only three B EW IV or PA-90 are available for Gossau - Wasserauen, B 247, 248 and B 296. Today the consists were formed like this:

BDe 42-B 247-ABt 142
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ABt 114-BDe 43-B 248-ABt 143
<https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:AB-114-43-248-143_Gonten_2015-05.jpg>

ABt 113-BDe 44-B 296-ABt 144
<https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:AB-113-44-296-144_Gonten_2015-05.jpg>

BDe 45-ABt 145-BDe 41-ABt 141
<https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:AB-141-41-145-45_Gonten_2015-05.jpg>

A month ago somebody else was out and took some photos. Then there were only three-car trains.

<http://www.bahnbilder.de/bild/Schweiz~Privatbahnen~AB+Appenzeller+Bahnen/865312/der-bde-44-41-der-appenzeller.html>

EW I FFA are stored in Herisau, EW I SWP in Gossau. Two of the FFA coaches seem to be in the workshop and might return to service soon.

Markus, Gürbetal


Re: Schwarzenburg Bahnhoffest 30.05.2015

OL.Guerbetal
 

Am 24.05.2015 um 19:54 schrieb stephenhorobin@... [SwissRail]:
The GBS line to Schwarzenberg is an interesting branch line serving
the suburbs of Bern which soon becomes very rural. It has some very
steep gradients and a large viaduct at Scwarzwasserbrucke. The
terminus at Schwarzenberg is quite attractive and there are several
bus links including some across the Roesti Graben.
As mentioned twice before, the line doesn't got to Schwarzenberg but to Schwarzenburg. A little misspell in a name might be unimportant - unless the resulting name does exist and is a completely different place. And if you go to the ticket counter and ask for a ticket to Schwarzenberg, you will get it. But it will not allow you to travel to Schwarzenburg.

Markus, G�rbetal


421 384

Martin Baumann
 

is still on the SOB. Today it was on diagram 790.1 with 446 016


Re: Schwarzenberg Bahnhoffest 30.05.2015

stephenhorobin
 

The GBS line to Schwarzenberg is an interesting branch line serving the suburbs of Bern which soon becomes very rural. It has some very steep gradients and a large viaduct at Scwarzwasserbrucke.
The terminus at Schwarzenberg is quite attractive and there are several bus links including some across the Roesti Graben.


I have only ever ridden this line twice I do need to go back and take a better look.


Steve.

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