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Re: Steam Loco No.14 Madlaina.

gordonwis
 

interesting, thanks Marcus.

Not a loco I had thought much about recently. I have two taschebuchs ( a Peter Willen one and a 2006 publication) that don't seem to feature it.


Re: Steam Loco No.14 Madlaina.

glyn.jones
 

Thanks Markus, that explains everything.
Glyn


Re: Steam Loco No.14 Madlaina.

OL.Guerbetal
 

Am 31.07.2015 um 21:28 schrieb 'Glyn Jones':
Help need, I am writing an article for Swiss Express on the BOB 125 open day
at the end of June. The loco advertised as being there on the day was the
BDB No.1067. But it wasn't, it was No.14 Madlaina which I know nothing about
and Google is no help. Presumably it is rack equiped a
This is ex-RhB G 3/4 14, sister locomotive of Heidi
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landquart-Davos_G_3/4>
No rack though!

HG 3/3 1067 suffered a "Lagerschaden" (bearing defect) and G 3/4 208 is in Landquart for repair after the BDB workshop burned. Thus it was decided to bring No. 14 from Appenzeller Bahnen (owned by a private association) to Interlaken and use it there for the rest of the year.

In the future no. 14 will run on the Appenzellerbahnen with BDB as responsible company. This had been decided before 1067 went defect.
Final work on no. 14, not in use since 2003, had been effectuated in Interlaken.

Markus, G�rbetal


Steam Loco No.14 Madlaina.

glyn.jones
 

Hi,

Help need, I am writing an article for Swiss Express on the BOB 125 open day
at the end of June. The loco advertised as being there on the day was the
BDB No.1067. But it wasn't, it was No.14 Madlaina which I know nothing about
and Google is no help. Presumably it is rack equiped as it was scheduled to
go Lauterbrunnen and Grindelwald during the day, but where is it from and
why was that being used and not 1067. Its works plate shows SLM No.1479
built 1902

Thanks,

Glyn


Re: Quesiton about St. Moritz Station.

glyn.jones
 

Hi, Just realised of course it is March 2015 issue of Swiss Express and not January. Glyn


Re: Quesiton about St. Moritz Station.

OL.Guerbetal
 

RhB used the track to the buffer stop at the hillside for shunting. The new layout of St. Moritz station will no longer contain tracks for shunting on this side. Albula trains will largely be push-pull, the GEX and all Bernina trains shunt to the other sides as far as necessary.

Continuing from the existing bridge in Maloja direction would now mean that the parking would have to be completely rebuilt. In fact there is an idea for a new terminus station in St. Moritz Bad but this would go on the outside of the hill, meaning (seen from St. Moritz station) it would curve left instead of right.

Photos of the bridge available.

Markus, Gürbetal


Re: Quesiton about St. Moritz Station.

glenn allen
 

The railway line does stop as the edge of the 'hill' it is an underground car park (Parkhaus Serletta). It does contain escalators and an inclined lift that go up to the road next to the post office....been there, done that. Saves you a site visit. The RhB bridge was built as part of the development of the area, it really does look like it could be extended into the car park if needed.
If you check out the location on Googleearth there are some photos of the two bridges

Also, if you drop the little orange man on the site you can get a bit of a view of the bridges.


Re: Quesiton about St. Moritz Station.

glyn.jones
 

Hi, It does not go into the hillside, which is an underground carpark. There is a buffer stop just short of the ventilation grill. If you are a member of the Swiss railways Society there is a photo of it and full explanation (including why it had to be retained when the road was widened) on page 45 of the January 2015 magazine.


As I own the model railway "Maloja" and am in the process of extending it down the pass I have more than a passing interest in all things connected with it but have never actually seen the bridge. I hope that it is not demolished before I can visit it next summer.


Glyn


Re: Quesiton about St. Moritz Station.

Chris Wood
 

Krist.

You write:

What puzzles me is however is that the bridge looks recent. If the idea to extend the line to Maloja
has been abandoned a long time ago why is it there?
I thought that too, after I'd taken a look with StreetView. But what a close examination of the surroundings using StreetView also shows is that the 'hillside' into which the line appears to disappear is not as natural as it looks at first sight; especially if you look at it from the lakeside road. My guess is that it is a parking garage cunningly disguised as a hill.

Of course that doesn't answer why anybody would want to extend a rail line into a parking garage. One thought I had was that 'underground' depots or sidings aren't that uncommon at Swiss railway stations (think Forch, Ponte Tresa, or Kleine Scheidegg) but I thought I would have known about it if it was that.

Another possibility is that the Wikipedia article is essentially correct, and when the road was widened at some stage the RhB had got used to using the stub as a headshunt and insisted on it being retained. Or it could be, as you say, a third, even lower, section of the funicular that never got opened. Or I guess there is always the military option, although the middle of prime tourist territory is a bit of an odd place for a military installation.

Beginning to feel this might be the excuse needed for a site visit. :-)

Chris.


Re: Quesiton about St. Moritz Station.

Krist van Besien
 

On Thu, Jul 30, 2015 at 12:18 PM, chris_j_wood@yahoo.com [SwissRail]
<SwissRail@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

The German language Wikipedia article says:

! Der Bahnhof wurde als Durchgangsbahnhof gebaut, da anfänglich eine Verlängerung der Strecke
! Richtung Maloja geplant war. So führt ein Gleis von der Westseite des Bahnhofs zunächst über eine
! Brücke und anschliessend fast in den Hang hinein. An dieser Stelle war das Portal eines Tunnels
! geplant, der das Ortszentrum von St.Moritz unterfahren sollte.

which I translate as meaning the station was originally intended to be a through station on a line going towards the Maloja pass, and that the bridge was built for this, but that the tunnel and the rest of the extension was never built.
You translation is correct. What puzzles me is however is that the
bridge looks recent. If the idea to extend the line to Maloja has been
abandoned a long time ago why is it there? OTOH, extending the SMBB
down to the RhB railway station looks to me like something that might
be usefull.

Krist

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Re: Quesiton about St. Moritz Station.

glyn.jones
 

[Top posting full quote repaired by the moderator[


Hi, That is correct, it was the start of the Bergellerbahn line through Maloja. It was rebuilt with a new bridge when the road was widened a few year ago but only ever used as a head shunt. I believe it will be removed as part of the rebuilding of St. Moritz station. Glyn


Re: Quesiton about St. Moritz Station.

Chris Wood
 

John Beaulieu wrote :

Looks like the lower Funicular of the St. Moritz Bergbahnen (SMBB).
I don't think so. The SMBB station that Krist refers to is the lower station of the lower section of the SMBB funicular.

The track that Krist refers to as going over the bridge is clearly meter gauge, as it connects with several RhB tracks in the station. This would be very unusual for any funicular, but even more so for the lower section of the SMBB, as that is 1200mm gauge.

The German language Wikipedia article says:

! Der Bahnhof wurde als Durchgangsbahnhof gebaut, da anfänglich eine Verlängerung der Strecke
! Richtung Maloja geplant war. So führt ein Gleis von der Westseite des Bahnhofs zunächst über eine
! Brücke und anschliessend fast in den Hang hinein. An dieser Stelle war das Portal eines Tunnels
! geplant, der das Ortszentrum von St.Moritz unterfahren sollte.

which I translate as meaning the station was originally intended to be a through station on a line going towards the Maloja pass, and that the bridge was built for this, but that the tunnel and the rest of the extension was never built.

But that still leaves open the question as to what the dotted tunnel alignment that seems to connect to the SMBB station is?. Perhaps it is simply a figment of the imagination of a Google cartographer.


Re: Quesiton about St. Moritz Station.

John Beaulieu
 

Looks like the lower Funicular of the St. Moritz Bergbahnen (SMBB).

John Beaulieu

On Thu, Jul 30, 2015 at 4:02 AM, Krist van Besien krist.vanbesien@gmail.com
[SwissRail] <SwissRail@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Hello,

Looking at st. Moritz station on Google Maps I notice something
intrigueing...

Looking at areal pictures of the end of the station there are two
bridges over the "Via Serlas". One appears to be for pedestrians, the
other carries a railway track. Both seem to end abruptly at the
hillside. The map shows a dashed line that continues till the SMBB
station.

What is this?

Krist


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Quesiton about St. Moritz Station.

Krist van Besien
 

Hello,

Looking at st. Moritz station on Google Maps I notice something intrigueing...

Looking at areal pictures of the end of the station there are two
bridges over the "Via Serlas". One appears to be for pedestrians, the
other carries a railway track. Both seem to end abruptly at the
hillside. The map shows a dashed line that continues till the SMBB
station.

What is this?

Krist


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krist@vanbesien.org
Bern, Switzerland


Re: Gotthard quad header 185

csipromo
 

They must have been returning locomotives from Chiasso to either Erstfeld or to Basel to their next assignments. Because there usually are more goods heading south than heading north, it is common to see this type of consist as the locomotives are moved back to the north as they are not needed in Chiasso for northbound shipments.

Regards


Mike C


Re: Recent Obs

gordonwis
 

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On Tue, 28/7/15, Skids mark@31400.co.uk wrote:

11153 - 1234 Zurich - Basel Ersatzzug (the load 10 push-pull
commuter set)

Strictly speaking IMHO a dedicated emergency set not a commuter set


All in all, a bloody good week...2 Ge6/6s and a krokadil..

That's three Ge6/6s then!..


Can't argue with the general notion - a week on Swiss railways is often bloody good!


[SBB/RhB] Recent Obs

Skids <mark@...>
 

Wednesday 22nd July

11109 - 1305 Zurich - Stuttgart IC163
11114 - 1207 Basel - Zurich IC771 (on load 10 push-pull commuter set)
11114 - 1308 Zurich - Basel IR2272
11114 - 1507 Basel - Zurich Ersatzzug
11114 - 1907 Basel - Zurich Ersatzzug
11121 - 0704 Basel - Locarno IR2313 (to Luzern)
11121 - 1204 Basel - Locarno IR2323 (to Luzern)
11125 - 0604 Basel - Locarno IR2311 (to Luzern)
11138 - 0710 Chiasso - Basel IR2316 (from Luzern)
11148 - 1629 Basel - Mohlin 17079
11148 - 1729 Basel - Stein Sackingen 17083
11151 - 1658 Basel - Stein Sackingen 17081
11151 - 1732 Stein Sackingen - Basel 17084
11157 - 0710 Chiasso - Basel IR2316 (to Luzern)
11159 - 0804 Basel - Locarno IR2315 (from Luzern)
11181 - 1004 Basel - Locarno IR2319 (to Luzern)
11193 - 0747 Luzern - Milano EC153 (to Chiasso)
11302 - 0718 Sissach - Basel 17096
11303 - 1408 Zurich - Basel IR2274
11303x11181 - 1547 Basel - Zurich IR2277
11304 - 1400 Zurich - Basel IC774
11304 - 1604 Basel - Locarno IR2331 (to Luzern)
421371 - 1316 Zurich - Munchen EC195
421394x11134 - 0613 Basel - Zurich IR1959

Thursday 23rd July

11111 - 0545 Basel - Laufen 17056
11114 - 1004 Basel - Locarno IR2319 (to Luzern)
11121 - 1400 Zurich - Basel IC774
11138 - 0704 Basel - Locarno IR2313 (to Luzern)
11146 - 1408 Zurich - Basel IR2274
11148 - 0718 Sissach - Basel 17096
11151 - 0643 Laufenburg - Basel 17054
11152 - 0804 Basel - Locarno IR2315 (from Luzern)
11158 - 1004 Basel - Locarno IR2319 (from Luzern)
11191 - 1209 Zurich - Locarno IR2421
11192 - 0804 Basel - Locarno IR2315 (to Luzern)
11193 - 0747 Luzern - Milano EC153 (to Chiasso)
11195 - 1047 Locarno - Zurcih IR2422
11197 - 0710 Chiasso - Basel IR2316 (to Luzern)
11302 - 0712 Laufen - Basel 17061
420201x420216 - 1600 Zurich Hard - Schaffhausen 19163
420203x420218 - 1704 Zurich Stad - Baden 19066
420203x420218 - 1830 Zurich Hard - Romanshorn 19177
420207x420213 - 1657 Zurich Stad - Bullach 18066
420210x420209 - 1630 Zurich Hard - Wil 19173
420215x420224 - 1700 Zurich Hard - Schaffhausen 19167 (to Winterthur where it formed the 1742 Schaffhausen to Hettingen, line closed)
421371x11159 - 0613 Basel - Zurich IR1959

NOTE - 420210 and 420215 are now converted to Lions.

Friday 24th July

11108 - 1650 Lausanne - Bex 4075
11145 - 0807 Zurich - Chur IC913
11149 - 1547 Locarno - Basel IR2332 (from Luzern)
420209x420210 - 0652 Wil - Zurich Hard 19022
420216x420201 - 0701 Schaffhausen - Zurich Hard 19124 (from Hettingen)

Saturday 25th July

11111 - 0604 Basel - Locarno IR2311 (to Luzern)
11114 - 1607 Zurich - Chur IC929
11158 - 1609 Zurich - Locarno IR2429
11159 - 0807 Zurich - Chur IC913
11195 - 1247 Locarno - Zurich IR2426
11303 - 0630 Locarno - Basel IR2458 (from Luzern)
11304 - 1439 Chur - Zurich IC928
702 - 1118 Bergun - Davos Platz 2822 Erstazzug
704 - 1646 St Moritz - Landquart RE1358

Sunday 26th July

11132 - 0807 Zurich - Chur IC913
414 - 0855 Landquart - Samedan (train number??)
704 - 1521 Landquart - St Moritz RE1351

Monday 27th July

11150 - 0807 Zurich - Chur IC913
11150 - 1039 Chur - Zurich IC920
11153 - 1234 Zurich - Basel Ersatzzug (the load 10 push-pull commuter set)
11191 - 1209 Zurich - Locarno IR2421
707 - 0753 Ilanz - Chur RE4221

All in all, a bloody good week. 7 new Re4/4s, 6 Lions, 18 460s, 2 Ge6/6s and a krokadil..

Hope that Help someone

Cheers
Skids


11248

Martin Baumann
 

Cargo 11248 has been fitted for passenger working, now having Nba and UIC-18


Gotthard quad header 185

gordonwis
 

There was a quadruple header DB 185 hauling Habbiss type 'vans' over the Gotthard on Sat 25 July, seen northbound at Airolo


DB 185 092-4 + 185 129-4 + 185 137-7 + 185 126-0


Damaged 11673 taken south

gordonwis
 

Damaged 11673 was transported (on its own wheels) south from Erstfeld to Bellinzona on Sat 25 July as freight 39985 topped and tailed by 11167 and 11362

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