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Re: SBB stock cascade

Chris Wood
 

How long has the 2.60m width restriction applied? In the past I have
travelled over the line with EW 1/2 stock and RBe 4/4 or Ae 6/6 > After delivery of the Seetal GTW 2002, so it might be about 12 years now.
The section of line between between Lenzburg and Hitzkirch was reconfigured with the narrower loading gauge in order to create more space between road and rail on a line that has many of the attributes of a roadside tramway. This was considered necessary in order to improve the line's previously rather poor safety record.


The section of line between Lucerne and Hitzkirch was not changed, so other stock can still use that section.


Re: SBB stock cascade

OL.Guerbetal
 

Am 13.01.2016 um 19:24 schrieb martin98baumann@outlook.com [SwissRail]:
How long has the 2.60m width restriction applied? In the past I have
travelled over the line with EW 1/2 stock and RBe 4/4 or Ae 6/6
After delivery of the Seetal GTW 2002, so it might be about 12 years now.

Markus, Gürbetal, full loading gauge
;-)


Re: SBB stock cascade

Martin Baumann
 

How long has the 2.60m width restriction applied? In the past I have travelled over the line with EW 1/2 stock and RBe 4/4 or Ae 6/6


Re: SBB stock cascade

OL.Guerbetal
 

Am 13.01.2016 um 00:09 schrieb Gordon Wiseman:
There is no reason why
There *is* a reason why: If SBB doesn't want to keep a GTW for more than 25 years so they will not.

But there is no reason why SBB couldn't buy new trains only 2.60 m wide.

Markus, Gürbetal


Re: re More questions about Gotthard Tunnel

OL.Guerbetal
 

Am 12.01.2016 um 23:58 schrieb Gordon Wiseman:
Comment about the tunnel remaining open re-ignites also the question
about whether stations will reopen once capacity is freed up on the
old route.
The only thing which really can be taken as certain, is the fact that nobody, this is zero persons to count them in detail, /knows/ what will be the future of the old Gotthard line. Too many questions remain unanswered at the moment. One of them, perhaps the most important one, will be answered on 28th February 2016, when the Swiss people decide in a referendum if a new road tunnel will be built or not. Not building a new tunnel could mean that a car shuttle on the old Gotthard rail tunnel is necessary for some time, when the old road tunnel is refurbished. It could also mean that some freight capacity is needed on the old rail line.

Apart from this, only local freight will remain on the old line. So the situation will be very different from the Lötschberg.

Markus, Gürbetal


Re: SBB stock cascade

OL.Guerbetal
 

Am 12.01.2016 um 22:50 schrieb chris_j_wood@yahoo.com [SwissRail]:
Is there replacement stock on order, or plans to widen the line's loading gauge.
Neither nor. The now thought end of the Seetal-GTW would be about 2027, after 25 years of use and at about the middle of the life of othr rolling stock. So there is still time to decide. Finally there are three options:

1) Finding out that the GTW can last longer than SBB thought.
2) Ordering new rolling stock around 2023
3) Widening again the gauge of the line

Methinks that option 3) will be the solution for about 2050. Unless somebody finds out that the whole reduced gauge story wasn't a very good idea at the start already...

The first GTWs reaching the end of life (as SBB sees it) would be the ten Seelinie-GTW of Thurbo, RABe 526 680-689 of 1998-99.

Mind the difference between Seetal (lake valley Lucerne/Aargau) and Seelinie (lake of Constance line Rorschach - Romanshorn - Schaffhausen).

Markus, Gürbetal


Re: SBB stock cascade

gordonwis
 

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On Tue, 12/1/16, chris_j_wood@yahoo.com [ wrote:

So what does this bode for the Seetalbahn. I thought that
the SBB's GTWs were the only units able to operate on
this line,


There is no reason why even if all other GTWs were withdrawn, that the Seetal version wouldn't be retained. After all the Seetalbahn has had some specific rolling stock over the years.


Re: re More questions about Gotthard Tunnel

gordonwis
 

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On Tue, 12/1/16, jlovda@yahoo.com wrote:

In April 2016 you will find a detailed programme for the
public event on our website www.gottardo2016.ch/en
http://www.gottardo2016.ch/en.



That seems clear then. Most of the response just repeats what's already on the web site.

The last paragraph is the important one, confirming when the full programme will be released and suggesting that the shuttles will be free access to all (subject to some long queuing perhaps?)


Re: re More questions about Gotthard Tunnel

gordonwis
 

Martin wrote: but both old tunnels will
remain in use far passenger trains in any case

Comment about the tunnel remaining open re-ignites also the question about whether stations will reopen once capacity is freed up on the old route. On the Ticino side, the stations serving significant nearby population already have a skeleton commuter service. I assume there is a chance these will reopen to full through the day local services?

On the North side, Wassen station is distant from the village so could be argued is not with reopening, Gurtnellen is close to the village but the village isn't very big - would this reopen? Amsteg-Silenen is the most interesting case. The infrastructure including station sign and platforms and subway is still in situ as if it was assumed that there was almost a certainty that it would reopen some day. Intschi which I fondly remember from 1974 as one of the minor halts has been expunged, but could there be a tourist potential to rebuild a halt to serve the cable car up to Aminsee?


Re: re More questions about Gotthard Tunnel

Martin Baumann
 

As I said I cannot confirm what the HAZMAT situation will be in the GBT but both old tunnels will remain in use far passenger trains in any case


Re: SBB stock cascade

Chris Wood
 

According to informations from SBB, the
GTWs might near the end of their life earlier than
other stock.
So what does this bode for the Seetalbahn. I thought that the SBB's GTWs were the only units able to operate on this line, as they were specially built with a narrow loading gauge.

Is there replacement stock on order, or plans to widen the line's loading gauge. Or, given that I have never visited this line, do I need to schedule a visit before it is too late.


Re: More questions about Gotthard Tunnel opening celebration

George Raymond
 

I was told in an e-mail reply that only Swiss citizens will be able to
ride the June 1 trains (500 winners, 1,000 tickets).

See
http://www.gottardo2016.ch/en/competition

George


Re: re More questions about Gotthard Tunnel

John Lovda
 

Martin: Your comment regarding hazardous materials must mean that either the two "old" tunnels (Gotthard and LB) will stay open into the future to handle this or the stuff will shift to trucks. Am I missing something here?


John


Re: re More questions about Gotthard Tunnel

John Lovda
 

I sent an e-mail to the Gottardo2016 offices regarding the events on June 4 and 5. Here is the woman's response:

Dear Mr Lovda
Thank you for your email. As train enthusiast you will definitely enjoy the programme of the public event.
The celebrations will take place on four sites, namely the former installation sites of Rynächt and Pollegio, Erstfeld and Biasca. Highlights of the public event are tunnel rides with the Gotthard shuttle train at up to 200 km/h, presentations by Swiss artists and an interactive multimedia exhibition on the Gotthard.
Other activities include visiting the maintenance and intervention centres (MIC) in Erstfeld and Biasca, seeing a fire and rescue train in action and getting a feeling for the real-life working conditions of a miner in a fascinating tour circuit. Quiz fans will have the chance to test their knowledge of tunnel trivia and amateur photographers can participate to a photo-sharing contest. Food, beverages and merchandising stands will also be present.
In April 2016 you will find a detailed programme for the public event on our website www.gottardo2016.ch/en http://www.gottardo2016.ch/en. At that point you will also be able to book a ticket for a special journey through the tunnel.

Kind regards,
Sophie Nägeli


Re: More questions about Gotthard Tunnel opening celebration

John Lovda
 

I was told in an e-mail reply that only Swiss citizens will be able to ride the June 1 trains (500 winners, 1,000 tickets).

John


Re: More questions about Gotthard Tunnel opening celebration

Kidger Paul
 

George Yes, a Swiss relative of mine has applied so I am hoping that he will be one of the lucky few. Maybe I will be invited as the second person...or will those be restricted to Swiss residents /citizens?


Re: More questions about Gotthard Tunnel opening celebration

George Raymond
 

Swiss citizens (no matter where they live) and Swiss residents can enter the
lottery for pairs of seats in the June 1 train.

When entering the lottery online, you have to agree that if you win a pair
of tickets, you both will be subject to an advance security check.

George


re More questions about Gotthard Tunnel

Martin Baumann
 

Revenue freight will start to use the tunnel from June this year so there will be a gradual falling off of traffic via the old route. I would assume, though cannot confirm, that trains containing hazardous materials will not be permitted in the tunnel as is the case with LBT 

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Re: More questions about Gotthard Tunnel opening celebration

John Lovda
 

Gordon made the point about shuttle trains. I was led to believe that there would be one passenger train in 2016 and it would be a special on June 1st only for Swiss citizens. If there were shuttles on June 4th and 5th the wait couldn't be any worse than trying to get tickets for a Rolling stones concert.


Re: More questions about Gotthard Tunnel opening celebration

gordonwis
 

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On Sun, 10/1/16, Guerbetaler muesche2-swissrail@yahoo.de [SwissRail] <SwissRail@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Unfortunately there is no historic locomotive fitted to go
on ETCS level

2 yet. So the special trains are rather unlikely.



Of course, stupid me. Especially as I have seen close up the covered-over traditional signals - at Fluelen last August!

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