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Re: Gotthard event - special trains to event?

Ewan Tait
 


Specials to the event with heritage or cargo locos would hold far more interest than a 460 through a tunnel
Now this is zero. Only static display. Brunnen - Erstfeld is now ETCS
Level 2.
Is that a change since last week? I saw several Re 460s last week on inter-regio services over the Gotthard when I was out last week.

Regards,
Ewan


http://ewan.me.uk


Re: New Albula Tunnel Question

OL.Guerbetal
 

Am 02.06.2016 um 22:05 schrieb 'Glyn Jones'
... The whole story in English is here:
<https://www.rhb.ch/en/company/projects-dossiers/rebuilding-of-the-albula-tunnel>


Re: Gotthard event - special trains to event?

OL.Guerbetal
 

Am 02.06.2016 um 21:05 schrieb jlovda@yahoo.com [SwissRail]:
I believe to have to buy a special rain ticket that will get you to event.
Any ticket is valid to get to the site. A special ticket is needed for the shuttles through GBT.

Reduced tickets available for that day, either including the shuttle or not, give 30% discount, also with half fare card (30% off 50% gives 35% to pay ;-) )

Prices for the suttle are CHF 30 full, CHF 15 with half fare card and CHF 8 with Generalabonnement or junior card. Nothing mentioned about SwissPass.

See page 31 of the brochure.

Markus, G�rbetal


Re: New Albula Tunnel Question

glyn.jones
 

Hi,

The existing Albula tunnel was in need of serious repair work which would
have cost almost the same as a new tunnel. The original tunnel was not built
to modern escape requirements. The whole story in English is here:
https://www.rhb.ch/en/company/projects-dossiers/rebuilding-of-the-albula-tun
nel. There is a 360 degree web cam of the Preda site:
http://albulatunnel.roundshot.com/

Glyn

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I went through the Albula tunnel on Wednesday. At Preda there was an amazing
array of conveyors removing crushed stone from the new Albula Tunnel to be
completed in 2020. Can someone answer a question regarding the new tunnel?
Why are they digging it? It's supposed to run parallel to the current
tunnel, no shorter or longer. It will not be used for bidirectional traffic;
the current tunnel will be used for emergency purposes only. I assume that
means there will be several cross links. Does the current tunnel have
structural problems? Will it be too small for future trains?


Thanks,
John


Re: Gotthard event - special trains to event?

OL.Guerbetal
 

Am 02.06.2016 um 21:30 schrieb Gordon Wiseman:
Also, SBB themselves use the catch-all 'EWII' to describe the sets still used on Basel commuters etc
I don't disagree Gordon that many SBB employees don't know how to distinguish an EW I from an EW II. However, the official and correct designation has always been EW I/II. There were not many consists only containing EW II, but I could take photos of one in Geneva back in 2006

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:EW2-Pendel-1von8-Gen%C3%A8ve2006.jpg
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:EW2-Pendel-2von8-Gen%C3%A8ve2006.jpg
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:EW2-Pendel-3von8-Gen%C3%A8ve2006.jpg
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:EW2-Pendel-4von8-Gen%C3%A8ve2006.jpg
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:EW2-Pendel-5von8-Gen%C3%A8ve2006.jpg

Markus, Gürbetal


New Albula Tunnel Question

John Lovda
 

I went through the Albula tunnel on Wednesday. At Preda there was an amazing array of conveyors removing crushed stone from the new Albula Tunnel to be completed in 2020. Can someone answer a question regarding the new tunnel? Why are they digging it? It's supposed to run parallel to the current tunnel, no shorter or longer. It will not be used for bidirectional traffic; the current tunnel will be used for emergency purposes only. I assume that means there will be several cross links. Does the current tunnel have structural problems? Will it be too small for future trains?


Thanks,
John


Re: Gotthard event - special trains to event?

gordonwis
 

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On Thu, 2/6/16, Guerbetaler muesche2-swissrail@yahoo.de [S
Mostly EW I, as only klB-coaches (blue/light grey) remained
in service.


I don't disagree Markus, but I got fed up in these last few years of writing about the older coaches and not having a quick single generic word to describe the remaining sets, as I don't want to continuously write "sets with the older type low slung coaches of EWI (mainly) but possibly the odd EWII" :-)

Also, SBB themselves use the catch-all 'EWII' to describe the sets still used on Basel commuters etc


Re: Gotthard event - special trains to event?

John Lovda
 


Re: Gotthard event - special trains to event?

John Lovda
 

I'll take a wild uneducated guess and assume the white 460 and Re 4/4 II will be leading some of the coaches. I saw the Gotthardo 460 today parked on a siding at the south end of the tunnel. Mondaine and ABB (corporate sponsors) also have white werbeloks. I'll bet they'll be there on Saturday and Sunday.

John


Re: Gotthard event - special trains to event?

John Lovda
 

Hellsbrewer:

Go to www.gotthardo.ch http://www.gotthardo.ch


I believe to have to buy a special rain ticket that will get you to event. Check the link.


In my case I just wave my 8 day Swiss Travel Pass but paid the difference to upgrade to 1st cl. I believe my friend bought a ticket direct from Zurich to Biasca but Swiss citizens seem to have so many SBB options and discounts it makes my head spin. He is taking care of all the logistics for me.


John


Re: Gotthard event - special trains to event?

John Lovda
 

I went from Bellinzona to Zurich today (Thursday) and passed through Biasca, Erstfeld and the North Tunnel entrance (what ever the name is). The north entrance event looks to be huge, probably 20+ corporate tents in an area 500 meters long. About half as much stuff in Biasca, nothing that I could see at Erstfeld except a restored green Ae 6/6 Cantonlok sitting in the depot area. At Biasca there were three long trains sitting on sidings that I presume are to return riders to the north end on the 4th. My friend and I have 1 cl tickets early on the 5th to the south end and will ride through the tunnel from S to N as we think it will be less crowded. My second ride past the Wassen church in three days. By the way, the event on June 1st was the "official" opening with political speeches, etc. All the people on the train won an SBB lottery but had to be Swiss citizens for security reasons. I'm looking forward to 17 minutes of concrete walls at very high speeds!! Sort of like being in Times Square on New Years Eve.

John


Re: Gotthard event - special trains to event?

OL.Guerbetal
 

Am 02.06.2016 um 20:27 schrieb Gordon Wiseman:
Already mentioned in a post previously was the use of old EWII stock
on some trains to free the 460s for the tunnel specials
Mostly EW I, as only klB-coaches (blue/light grey) remained in service.

Markus, Gürbetal


Re: Gotthard Base Tunnel open

OL.Guerbetal
 

Am 02.06.2016 um 17:55 schrieb csipromo@yahoo.com [SwissRail]:
Does anybody have a closeup photo of one of the coaches with these inscriptions?
of all 26 coaches:
<https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/SwissRail/photos/albums/1242120230>
:-)

Markus


Re: Gotthard event - special trains to event?

gordonwis
 

Already mentioned in a post previously was the use of old EWII stock on some trains to free the 460s for the tunnel specials


Re: Gotthard event - special trains to event?

gordonwis
 

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On Thu, 2/6/16, csipromo@yahoo.com [ wrote:

I am aware that there were a number of charters and special
trains that were run over the classic Gotthard route during
the weeks leading up to the opening of the Base Tunnel, but
I was not aware of any such trains running on the opening
day (June 1).



But, as Markus said, not between Brunnen and Erstfeld, so the specials have been approaching the route from the south and terminating at Erstfeld.


Re: Gotthard event - special trains to event?

OL.Guerbetal
 

Am 02.06.2016 um 15:04 schrieb dave@steelcitybrewing.co.uk [SwissRail]:
there would also be special trains to get people to the event. Can anyone confirm (or indeed deny)?
There are several extra trains starting from Z�rich, Bern, Basel and Luzern, which are also in the sbb.ch on-line timetable. You find them in the official brochure on pages 37 and 40-55. See
http://www.gottardo2016.ch/en/public-event#programm
and then click "detailed programme (PDF)"

Specials to the event with heritage or cargo locos would hold far more interest than a 460 through a tunnel
Now this is zero. Only static display. Brunnen - Erstfeld is now ETCS Level 2.

Markus, G�rbetal


Re: Gotthard Base Tunnel open

csipromo
 

It was very hard to see any GBT special markings on the coaches. Does anybody have a closeup photo of one of the coaches with these inscriptions?

Congratulations to Switzerland and the SBB on this milestone.
I still feel a little bit that in the rush to compete with airlines and faster travel times, that some people have forgotten that one of the nice things about rail travel is to sit back and enjoy the scenery and the scenery along the Gotthard was definitely one of the world's classic rail vistas.


Regards


Mike C


Re: Gotthard event - special trains to event?

csipromo
 

Hellsbrewer,

I am aware that there were a number of charters and special trains that were run over the classic Gotthard route during the weeks leading up to the opening of the Base Tunnel, but I was not aware of any such trains running on the opening day (June 1).


There are photos of both the opening and of some of those special trains at railpictures.net


I am sure that more photos will be forthcoming in the next few days as people post them online.


20min.ch had a few reports about the opening, some which included video links.


Regards


Mike C


Re: Gotthard event - special trains to event?

Ewan Tait
 

On 2 Jun 2016, at 15:21, dave@steelcitybrewing.co.uk [SwissRail] <
SwissRail@yahoogroups.com> wrote:



Apologies for the question, but drawn a blank online and received only
generic reply from the organisers

I'd heard rumours that as well as the specials through the tunnel there
would also be special trains to get people to the event. Can anyone confirm
(or indeed deny)? Specials to the event with heritage or cargo locos would
hold far more interest than a 460 through a tunnel ;-)


I don't know about interesting specials, but there are certainly extra
trains both to the Gotthard and over the mountain route.

http://www.sbb.ch/content/dam/sbb/de/pdf/freizeit-ferien/ferien-kurztrips-schweiz/Festführer%20A5_Gottardo_dt_web2.pdf

There are timetables in the above document.

Ewan

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http://ewan.me.uk


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Gotthard event - special trains to event?

dave@...
 

Apologies for the question, but drawn a blank online and received only generic reply from the organisers


I'd heard rumours that as well as the specials through the tunnel there would also be special trains to get people to the event. Can anyone confirm (or indeed deny)? Specials to the event with heritage or cargo locos would hold far more interest than a 460 through a tunnel ;-)

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