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Re: AOMC cars going to Belgium

Christopher
 

In addition, 4 4-wheeled AOMC Box Vans have been sold to the Chemin de fer Bon Repos in France. This is a new metre-gauge preserved line in Brittany, which is re-building a section of the closed Reseau Breton network between Bon Repos and Gouarec, a distance of 4-5km. A carriage from the LEB is also there now.


Club 1889 20th Birthday Events - October 2016

Christopher
 

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Hello, In the past week, Historic RhB has posted details of the Club 1889's 20th Birthday Celebrations. Details of the extensive events planned for the October 15th-16th weekend are available here:
http://www.bahnoldtimer.com/
Basically, all of the locos and rolling stock which the Club has restored/been involved in restoring will be in use on special trains over that weekend: Bernina Line, Pontresina - Ospizio Bernina - Krokodil 182 + La Bucunada and Il Mesolcines 4-wheeled Bernina Bahn coaches, Bernina Bahn railcars 30 and 34 hauling Pullman 'Piano Bar.' Engadine Line, Samedan - S-Chanf - G3/4 11 Heidi and 4-wheeled coaches and post van (now called the Whiskey Bar (!)), Ge4/6 353 and end-platform bogie coaches and Fillisurer Stubli. Albula Line, Samedan - Bergun - Ge6/6I Krokodil and Pullman coaches, ABe 4/4 501 and 'Flying Rhatier' set. All will be involved in an intensive timetable to be run over both days. A day pass, allowing you to have as many rides as you like, and hop-on and off anywhere on each route, will be available. For extra passenger capacity, the Club is attempting to hire-in RhB coaches A2 and AB121 from the Blonay-Chamby. Also, there will be a festival at Samedan station and the RhB workshops there will be open to visitors. Lastly, on Friday October 14th, if enough people register their interest, 2 special day-trips will be run as part of the plan to move stock to Samedan/Pontresina: Poschiavo - Pontresina, presumably to move 182, Landquart - Samedan/St. Moritz, the really exciting option - for me as I will be there over that weekend - as G3/4 11 Heidi will haul historic coaches on a Landquart - Klosters - Davos - Fillisur - Bergun - Preda - Samedan - St. Moritz trip. However, these trips will only happen if enough people show their interest - use the Contact Form on the event's website. Final details on them will be published at the end of July. Chris


Re: New RhB coaches delivered

Don
 

Saw one of the Landquart-St. Moritz workings last week with a new Stadler set as confirmed by the previous posting kindly provided: New RhB Stock
https://www.flickr.com/photos/lickeybanker/27206058933/in/dateposted-public/
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Re: Steepest adhesion railway

OL.Guerbetal
 

Am 21.06.2016 um 11:55 schrieb chris_j_wood@yahoo.com [SwissRail]:
[...] However the only rubber tyre system I've ever heard of in Lille
is a VAL (Véhicule Automatique Léger) system. If I'm wrong and the M2
is a VAL or VAL-like system, then my question doesn't arise as there
are no steel wheels or rails involved in that system. Whilst there
are a lot of similarities, VAL cars run on rubber tyres at all times,
and are exclusively guided by horizontal guide-wheels.
The truth is somewhere in between. You are right in that Lille doesnt't have a standard gauge guide rail (an I stand corrected). But then again you are wrong in saying that the VAL /only/ works on rubber tyres as the VAL has a central guide rail for points or switches.

<https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Ligne_2_du_m%C3%A9tro_de_Lille_M%C3%A9tropole_-_Garage-atelier_du_Grand_But_(06).JPG>

:-)
Markus


Re: Dating major Swiss rail visual changes

Chris Wood
 

12. Thurbo type passenger trains appear

I am presuming that by Thurbo, you actually mean the introduction of the Stadler Flirt and Kiss type
trainsets, the first of which was the new trainsets for the Seetal line and was followed by the Flirts
for local traffic and then the KISS for regional traffic.
I read that reference as being to the Stadler GTW sets, rather than the more recent (and in many ways more conventional) Flirts and Kisses.

The GTW sets are distinguished by having a four-wheeled power unit in or near the middle of the set. It has a walkway through it, but no seats. Whilst (I presume) all the ones built for Switzerland are electric, there are probably more diesel variants world-wide. I rode one from Potsdam to Schönefeld a few years back, and boy was it noisy. Ear-defenders definitely recommended for walking through the power unit.


Re: Steepest adhesion railway

Chris Wood
 

Hi Markus.

When you wrote:

> My point was, that the Lausanne M2 is of the same make as Paris and Lille.

did you perhaps mean to say Paris and Lyon.

I've not visited Lausanne since the M2 opened, but my understanding is that it based on the Paris Metro rubber tyred system, as also used in Lyon and other places. However the only rubber tyre system I've ever heard of in Lille is a VAL (Véhicule Automatique Léger) system.

If I'm wrong and the M2 is a VAL or VAL-like system, then my question doesn't arise as there are no steel wheels or rails involved in that system. Whilst there are a lot of similarities, VAL cars run on rubber tyres at all times, and are exclusively guided by horizontal guide-wheels.



Chris.


Re: Steepest adhesion railway

gordonwis
 

Rode the Lausanne metro two days ago, and watched the pneumatic tyres in operation...


AOMC cars going to Belgium

Martin Baumann
 

AOMC BDe 4/4 512 513 514 have been sold to the Pairi Daiza zoo in Belgium who are building their own metre gauge line:


https://www.facebook.com/JardinDesMondes/


Re: Dating major Swiss rail visual changes

John Lovda
 

Marcus: For some reason all of the Flickr links in my previous message were repeated. Would you be able to erase the duplicates?


Thank you,
John


Re: Dating major Swiss rail visual changes

Andrew Moglestue
 

12. Thurbo type passenger trains appear > >
I am presuming that by Thurbo, you actually mean the introduction of the Stadler Flirt and Kiss type trainsets, the first of which was the new trainsets for the Seetal line and was followed by the Flirts for local traffic and then the KISS for regional traffic. Wasn't MThB a pilot customer for the GTW, at least as far as the standard gauge version is concerned? These were the box shaped ones manufactured prior to Stadler introducing their signature rounded front end. These were later absorbed by SBB and are presently operating under the Thurbo brand alongside more modern GTWs. I think these started in 1997 but I'm sure Markus knows the details.Aren't the Seetal units a fair bit newer than these?


Re: Dating major Swiss rail visual changes

csipromo
 

Markus,

thanks for the information about the IC Bt. I did not mean that they were converted from Bpm EC that had already been operational. I meant that the conversion was at the design level and that the Bts were built based on modified schematics and specifications for the EC Bpm coach.


Regards


Mike C


Re: Dating major Swiss rail visual changes

John Lovda
 

Thanks Mike:
You were right about the FLIRT vs the Thurbo. Please note that I am very ignorant of coach types and numbering. I do remember way back seeing some white/orange Swiss Express coaches that had been converted to steuerwagens.

I have been lucky enough over the years to catch some locomotive changes. Here are a few:


Crocodile 14270
https://www.flickr.com/photos/79976134@N07/17005236735/in/dateposted/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/79976134@N07/17005236735/in/dateposted/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/79976134@N07/27146519693/in/dateposted/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/79976134@N07/27146519693/in/dateposted/


Ae 6/6 11425
https://www.flickr.com/photos/79976134@N07/17005849388/in/dateposted/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/79976134@N07/17005849388/in/dateposted/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/79976134@N07/16768219958/in/dateposted/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/79976134@N07/16768219958/in/dateposted/



Air conditioning
https://www.flickr.com/photos/79976134@N07/16370816194/in/dateposted/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/79976134@N07/16370816194/in/dateposted/



BLS Re 4/4 II
https://www.flickr.com/photos/79976134@N07/16341292823/in/dateposted/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/79976134@N07/16341292823/in/dateposted/


ex Swiss Express
https://www.flickr.com/photos/79976134@N07/16764036409/in/dateposted/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/79976134@N07/16764036409/in/dateposted/


Old SBB Cargo colors
https://www.flickr.com/photos/79976134@N07/16731456370/in/dateposted/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/79976134@N07/16731456370/in/dateposted/


Original Re 6/6
https://www.flickr.com/photos/79976134@N07/16679834110/in/dateposted/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/79976134@N07/16679834110/in/dateposted/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/79976134@N07/16546820054/in/dateposted/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/79976134@N07/16546820054/in/dateposted/



Couplers on the original Swiss Express:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/79976134@N07/16247024303/in/dateposted/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/79976134@N07/16247024303/in/dateposted/


John


Re: New RhB EMU sets

Max Wyss
 

On the same day, they will add a headboard to all Allegras: "I am also a
locomotive"


Re: New RhB EMU sets

OL.Guerbetal
 

Am 19.06.2016 um 07:37 schrieb tudoryork:
Will these headboards be in use by next April please?
Of course. No other date is possible, as you correctly assume!

Markus, Gürbetal


Re: Dating major Swiss rail visual changes

OL.Guerbetal
 

Am 19.06.2016 um 03:57 schrieb csipromo@yahoo.com [SwissRail]:
7. Steuerwagens and push-pull trains appear

At some point in the 1980s, the Re 4/4II were authorized for
operation with EWII BDt and EWI BDt I don't know exactly when the
first Re 4/4II push-pull consists went into regular operation. The
EWIV fleet was complemented with Bt Steuerwagen made from converted
Bpm EC coaches in the mid 1990s. At around the same time, coaches of
the EWIII series were also converted into pilot coaches to make those
trains push-pull consists as well.
Bt EW III were rebuilt 1986/87. Green driving trailers appeared about the same time with Re 4/4 II. At that time there were still many Dt and DZt, of which the cab was later used to build more BDt.

The Bt IC were not converted from EC coaches but built new 1996-2004!

8. Red and blue CARGO locomotives appear

Markus linked this turning point to #13. I would think that the
larger turning point would be the split of the SBB and it's
locomotive roster into Passenger and Cargo divisions (1999-2000).
There were several prototype cargo liveries before the Red/Blue
livery was chosen. The first locomotives to receive this livery were
the modified Re 4/4II of the final production series (11371-11397),
which were adapted for use in Germany and renumbered as Re 421
371-397. I am sure that Markus can provide you with the dates that
the fleet was divided, which units were assigned to which division
and what changes followed, leading to today where all Re 460 are
assigned for passenger use and all Re 6/6 (620) are assigned to cargo
operations.
As it was question of visible changes, I didn't mention the formal
change, which took place on 1st September 1999. Wikipedia has it all
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SBB-CFF-FFS_Re_420>
with more details in the German Wiki
<https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/SBB_Re_4/4_II>

First ideas for a Cargo livery was a sort of light green but only about
three locomotives got that and subsequently were repainted red.
<http://www.lokifahrer.ch/Lokomotiven/Loks-SBB/Re_4-4-II/Farben.htm>

The red and blue livery first appeared on the brand new Re 482 and at
the same time on the rebuilt Re 421 (both 2002).

In addition to the introduction of the IC 2000, there was also the
introduction of the new EC coaches starting in 1993. This meant the
classic RIC coaches started to fade away and the remaining ones would
be repainted in Intercity colours as inland coaches.
First class coaches Am RIC were sold to HUPAC and reappeared as sleeping cars for piggyback trains.

12. Thurbo type passenger trains appear

I am presuming that by Thurbo, you actually mean the introduction of
the Stadler Flirt and Kiss type trainsets, the first of which was the
new trainsets for the Seetal line and was followed by the Flirts for
local traffic and then the KISS for regional traffic.
The first ones were those for the Seelinie 1998, 526 680-689, now belonging to Thurbo. The narrower ones for the Seetal, belonging to SBB, 520 000-016, only came in 2002. In 2003 started the delivery of the big series 526 701... for Thurbo. Delivery of FLIRTs to SBB started in 2004. Mind the difference between Seelinie (lake line) and Seetal (lake valley)!

I would also recommend to add one further turning point (14), the
appearance of other foreign and domestic operators on Swiss rails,
including BLS Cargo, Crossrail, TXL, Rail4Chem, DB Schenker (DB
Cargo/Railion/etc), NordCargo, Veolia/Captrain/etc.
Formal introduction of open access was on 1st January 1999. Lokoop was one of the first companies then. And Crossrail arrived soon.

Other milestones would include the sale of the EWIII to BLS,
2004 (when the NBS opened, swapped against EW IV)

the BLS/BT and SOB EWIV going to SBB
1999 BT and SOB sold to SBB and BLS
2004 BLs sold to SBB

and the swap of the Re 4/4IV to SOB in return for four Re 4/4IIIs
1995-96

Markus, G�rbetal


Re: New RhB EMU sets

Toma Bacic
 

Are there any link to the official info / press release?
thnx & regards toma


Re: New RhB EMU sets

tudor erich
 

Will these headboards be in use by next April please?
Bernard


Re: Dating major Swiss rail visual changes

csipromo
 

1. Red locomotives appear
2. Ae 4/7's begin to fade away

3. Re 460's appear

4. Rect. headlamps and angled front handrails appear
AFAIR the first locomotives with the rectangular headlights were the prototype Re 4/4IV 10101-10104 (1982).
That type of headlights were then installed on Re 4/4II 11178 and then on the final production run (11371-11397). In the 1990s with the addition of new UIC connectors, it was decided to add steps and railing to facilitate crew access to the socket.

5. Air conditioning on Re 4/4 II and Re6/6's appear
6. Re 4/4 I's begin to fade away.
7. Steuerwagens and push-pull trains appear


At some point in the 1980s, the Re 4/4II were authorized for operation with EWII BDt and EWI BDt
I don't know exactly when the first Re 4/4II push-pull consists went into regular operation. The EWIV fleet was complemented with Bt Steuerwagen made from converted Bpm EC coaches in the mid 1990s. At around the same time, coaches of the EWIII series were also converted into pilot coaches to make those trains push-pull consists as well.

8. Red and blue CARGO locomotives appear


Markus linked this turning point to #13. I would think that the larger turning point would be the split of the SBB and it's locomotive roster into Passenger and Cargo divisions (1999-2000). There were several prototype cargo liveries before the Red/Blue livery was chosen. The first locomotives to receive this livery were the modified Re 4/4II of the final production series (11371-11397), which were adapted for use in Germany and renumbered as Re 421 371-397.
I am sure that Markus can provide you with the dates that the fleet was divided, which units were assigned to which division and what changes followed, leading to today where all Re 460 are assigned for passenger use and all Re 6/6 (620) are assigned to cargo operations.

9. IC-2000 coaches appear
In addition to the introduction of the IC 2000, there was also the introduction of the new EC coaches starting in 1993. This meant the classic RIC coaches started to fade away and the remaining ones would be repainted in Intercity colours as inland coaches.

10: Wappen on Ae 6/6's disappear updated to include "and the Ae 6/6 begin to fade away"


It wasn't just the Crests that disappeared. People were taking the Swiss crest from the locomotive faces as well as pieces of the chrome striping on the so-called Canton-loks

11. ICN trains appear
12. Thurbo type passenger trains appear


I am presuming that by Thurbo, you actually mean the introduction of the Stadler Flirt and Kiss type trainsets, the first of which was the new trainsets for the Seetal line and was followed by the Flirts for local traffic and then the KISS for regional traffic.


13. The first "German made" (i.e. Re 482, etc.) CARGO locomotives appear



I would also recommend to add one further turning point (14), the appearance of other foreign and domestic operators on Swiss rails, including BLS Cargo, Crossrail, TXL, Rail4Chem, DB Schenker (DB Cargo/Railion/etc), NordCargo, Veolia/Captrain/etc.


You should also probably include the introduction of the EWIV Intercity coaches in 1982-1984, as the introduction of these coaches allowed for the EWI and EWII coaches to replace older coach types in local trains and the introduction of coloured coaches rather than uniform green also marked a major change for the SBB.


The next significant change is coming very soon, as the new double deck (Twindexx) trains are coming into service and the new Stadler trains for the Gotthard are still a few years away. As each new trainset comes into operation, we will likely see more traditional locomotives transferred to Cargo operations and the oldest Re 4/4II/IIIs and Re 6/6 will gradually be taken out of service.


Other milestones would include the sale of the EWIII to BLS, the BLS/BT and SOB EWIV going to SBB and the swap of the Re 4/4IV to SOB in return for four Re 4/4IIIs.


Mike C


Re: Dating major Swiss rail visual changes

John Lovda
 

Thank you Markus!

John


Re: Dating major Swiss rail visual changes

Guerbetaler
 

Am 18.06.2016 um 23:49 schrieb jlovda@yahoo.com [SwissRail]:
I have been looking at my slides and images of Swiss trains lately and I am mentally trying to date some of the bigger visual changes I've seen since my first trip in 1983. I know some were gradual but what would be the approx. year of greatest change? Can anyone date this list? There are probably many others but these are the ones I remember noticing:

1. Red locomotives appear
Re 4/4" 11178 15.11.1983

2. Ae 4/7's begin to fade away
1992

3. Re 460's appear
1992-96

4. Rect. headlamps and angled front handrails appear
11178 came with rectangular headlamps, handrails only later (for UIC-cable)

5. Air conditioning on Re 4/4 II and Re6/6's appear
2005

6. Re 4/4 I's begin to fade away.
withdrawn (SBB) 1994-98

7. Steuerwagens and push-pull trains appear
1926, on InterCities 1996

8. Red and blue CARGO locomotives appear
see Re 482

9. IC-2000 coaches appear
1996

10: Wappen on Ae 6/6's disappear
ask the thieves

11. ICN trains appear
1999-2005

12. Thurbo type passenger trains appear
MThB GTW 1998, Thurbo GTW 2003

13. The first "German made" (i.e. Re 482, etc.) CARGO locomotives appear
2002

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