Rode the Lausanne metro two days ago, and watched the pneumatic tyres in operation...

AOMC BDe 4/4 512 513 514 have been sold to the Pairi Daiza zoo in Belgium who are building their own metre gauge line:


https://www.facebook.com/JardinDesMondes/

Marcus: For some reason all of the Flickr links in my previous message were repeated. Would you be able to erase the duplicates?


Thank you,
John

12. Thurbo type passenger trains appear > >

I am presuming that by Thurbo, you actually mean the introduction of the Stadler Flirt and Kiss type trainsets, the first of which was the new trainsets for the Seetal line and was followed by the Flirts for local traffic and then the KISS for regional traffic. Wasn't MThB a pilot customer for the GTW, at least as far as the standard gauge version is concerned? These were the box shaped ones manufactured prior to Stadler introducing their signature rounded front end. These were later absorbed by SBB and are presently operating under the Thurbo brand alongside more modern GTWs. I think these started in 1997 but I'm sure Markus knows the details.Aren't the Seetal units a fair bit newer than these?

Markus,

thanks for the information about the IC Bt. I did not mean that they were converted from Bpm EC that had already been operational. I meant that the conversion was at the design level and that the Bts were built based on modified schematics and specifications for the EC Bpm coach.


Regards


Mike C

Thanks Mike:
You were right about the FLIRT vs the Thurbo. Please note that I am very ignorant of coach types and numbering. I do remember way back seeing some white/orange Swiss Express coaches that had been converted to steuerwagens.

I have been lucky enough over the years to catch some locomotive changes. Here are a few:


Crocodile 14270
https://www.flickr.com/photos/79976134@N07/17005236735/in/dateposted/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/79976134@N07/17005236735/in/dateposted/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/79976134@N07/27146519693/in/dateposted/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/79976134@N07/27146519693/in/dateposted/


Ae 6/6 11425
https://www.flickr.com/photos/79976134@N07/17005849388/in/dateposted/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/79976134@N07/17005849388/in/dateposted/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/79976134@N07/16768219958/in/dateposted/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/79976134@N07/16768219958/in/dateposted/



Air conditioning
https://www.flickr.com/photos/79976134@N07/16370816194/in/dateposted/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/79976134@N07/16370816194/in/dateposted/



BLS Re 4/4 II
https://www.flickr.com/photos/79976134@N07/16341292823/in/dateposted/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/79976134@N07/16341292823/in/dateposted/


ex Swiss Express
https://www.flickr.com/photos/79976134@N07/16764036409/in/dateposted/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/79976134@N07/16764036409/in/dateposted/


Old SBB Cargo colors
https://www.flickr.com/photos/79976134@N07/16731456370/in/dateposted/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/79976134@N07/16731456370/in/dateposted/


Original Re 6/6
https://www.flickr.com/photos/79976134@N07/16679834110/in/dateposted/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/79976134@N07/16679834110/in/dateposted/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/79976134@N07/16546820054/in/dateposted/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/79976134@N07/16546820054/in/dateposted/



Couplers on the original Swiss Express:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/79976134@N07/16247024303/in/dateposted/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/79976134@N07/16247024303/in/dateposted/


John

On the same day, they will add a headboard to all Allegras: "I am also a
locomotive"

Am 19.06.2016 um 07:37 schrieb tudoryork:

Will these headboards be in use by next April please?

Of course. No other date is possible, as you correctly assume!

Markus, Gürbetal

Am 19.06.2016 um 03:57 schrieb csipromo@... [SwissRail]:

7. Steuerwagens and push-pull trains appear

At some point in the 1980s, the Re 4/4II were authorized for
operation with EWII BDt and EWI BDt I don't know exactly when the
first Re 4/4II push-pull consists went into regular operation. The
EWIV fleet was complemented with Bt Steuerwagen made from converted
Bpm EC coaches in the mid 1990s. At around the same time, coaches of
the EWIII series were also converted into pilot coaches to make those
trains push-pull consists as well.

Bt EW III were rebuilt 1986/87. Green driving trailers appeared about the same time with Re 4/4 II. At that time there were still many Dt and DZt, of which the cab was later used to build more BDt.

The Bt IC were not converted from EC coaches but built new 1996-2004!

8. Red and blue CARGO locomotives appear

Markus linked this turning point to #13. I would think that the
larger turning point would be the split of the SBB and it's
locomotive roster into Passenger and Cargo divisions (1999-2000).
There were several prototype cargo liveries before the Red/Blue
livery was chosen. The first locomotives to receive this livery were
the modified Re 4/4II of the final production series (11371-11397),
which were adapted for use in Germany and renumbered as Re 421
371-397. I am sure that Markus can provide you with the dates that
the fleet was divided, which units were assigned to which division
and what changes followed, leading to today where all Re 460 are
assigned for passenger use and all Re 6/6 (620) are assigned to cargo
operations.

As it was question of visible changes, I didn't mention the formal
change, which took place on 1st September 1999. Wikipedia has it all
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SBB-CFF-FFS_Re_420>
with more details in the German Wiki
<https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/SBB_Re_4/4_II>

First ideas for a Cargo livery was a sort of light green but only about
three locomotives got that and subsequently were repainted red.
<http://www.lokifahrer.ch/Lokomotiven/Loks-SBB/Re_4-4-II/Farben.htm>

The red and blue livery first appeared on the brand new Re 482 and at
the same time on the rebuilt Re 421 (both 2002).

In addition to the introduction of the IC 2000, there was also the
introduction of the new EC coaches starting in 1993. This meant the
classic RIC coaches started to fade away and the remaining ones would
be repainted in Intercity colours as inland coaches.

First class coaches Am RIC were sold to HUPAC and reappeared as sleeping cars for piggyback trains.

12. Thurbo type passenger trains appear

I am presuming that by Thurbo, you actually mean the introduction of
the Stadler Flirt and Kiss type trainsets, the first of which was the
new trainsets for the Seetal line and was followed by the Flirts for
local traffic and then the KISS for regional traffic.

The first ones were those for the Seelinie 1998, 526 680-689, now belonging to Thurbo. The narrower ones for the Seetal, belonging to SBB, 520 000-016, only came in 2002. In 2003 started the delivery of the big series 526 701... for Thurbo. Delivery of FLIRTs to SBB started in 2004. Mind the difference between Seelinie (lake line) and Seetal (lake valley)!

I would also recommend to add one further turning point (14), the
appearance of other foreign and domestic operators on Swiss rails,
including BLS Cargo, Crossrail, TXL, Rail4Chem, DB Schenker (DB
Cargo/Railion/etc), NordCargo, Veolia/Captrain/etc.

Formal introduction of open access was on 1st January 1999. Lokoop was one of the first companies then. And Crossrail arrived soon.

Other milestones would include the sale of the EWIII to BLS,

2004 (when the NBS opened, swapped against EW IV)

the BLS/BT and SOB EWIV going to SBB

1999 BT and SOB sold to SBB and BLS
2004 BLs sold to SBB

and the swap of the Re 4/4IV to SOB in return for four Re 4/4IIIs

1995-96

Markus, G�rbetal

Are there any link to the official info / press release?
thnx & regards toma

Will these headboards be in use by next April please?
Bernard

1. Red locomotives appear
2. Ae 4/7's begin to fade away

3. Re 460's appear

4. Rect. headlamps and angled front handrails appear
AFAIR the first locomotives with the rectangular headlights were the prototype Re 4/4IV 10101-10104 (1982).
That type of headlights were then installed on Re 4/4II 11178 and then on the final production run (11371-11397). In the 1990s with the addition of new UIC connectors, it was decided to add steps and railing to facilitate crew access to the socket.

5. Air conditioning on Re 4/4 II and Re6/6's appear
6. Re 4/4 I's begin to fade away.
7. Steuerwagens and push-pull trains appear


At some point in the 1980s, the Re 4/4II were authorized for operation with EWII BDt and EWI BDt
I don't know exactly when the first Re 4/4II push-pull consists went into regular operation. The EWIV fleet was complemented with Bt Steuerwagen made from converted Bpm EC coaches in the mid 1990s. At around the same time, coaches of the EWIII series were also converted into pilot coaches to make those trains push-pull consists as well.

8. Red and blue CARGO locomotives appear


Markus linked this turning point to #13. I would think that the larger turning point would be the split of the SBB and it's locomotive roster into Passenger and Cargo divisions (1999-2000). There were several prototype cargo liveries before the Red/Blue livery was chosen. The first locomotives to receive this livery were the modified Re 4/4II of the final production series (11371-11397), which were adapted for use in Germany and renumbered as Re 421 371-397.
I am sure that Markus can provide you with the dates that the fleet was divided, which units were assigned to which division and what changes followed, leading to today where all Re 460 are assigned for passenger use and all Re 6/6 (620) are assigned to cargo operations.

9. IC-2000 coaches appear
In addition to the introduction of the IC 2000, there was also the introduction of the new EC coaches starting in 1993. This meant the classic RIC coaches started to fade away and the remaining ones would be repainted in Intercity colours as inland coaches.

10: Wappen on Ae 6/6's disappear updated to include "and the Ae 6/6 begin to fade away"


It wasn't just the Crests that disappeared. People were taking the Swiss crest from the locomotive faces as well as pieces of the chrome striping on the so-called Canton-loks

11. ICN trains appear
12. Thurbo type passenger trains appear


I am presuming that by Thurbo, you actually mean the introduction of the Stadler Flirt and Kiss type trainsets, the first of which was the new trainsets for the Seetal line and was followed by the Flirts for local traffic and then the KISS for regional traffic.


13. The first "German made" (i.e. Re 482, etc.) CARGO locomotives appear



I would also recommend to add one further turning point (14), the appearance of other foreign and domestic operators on Swiss rails, including BLS Cargo, Crossrail, TXL, Rail4Chem, DB Schenker (DB Cargo/Railion/etc), NordCargo, Veolia/Captrain/etc.


You should also probably include the introduction of the EWIV Intercity coaches in 1982-1984, as the introduction of these coaches allowed for the EWI and EWII coaches to replace older coach types in local trains and the introduction of coloured coaches rather than uniform green also marked a major change for the SBB.


The next significant change is coming very soon, as the new double deck (Twindexx) trains are coming into service and the new Stadler trains for the Gotthard are still a few years away. As each new trainset comes into operation, we will likely see more traditional locomotives transferred to Cargo operations and the oldest Re 4/4II/IIIs and Re 6/6 will gradually be taken out of service.


Other milestones would include the sale of the EWIII to BLS, the BLS/BT and SOB EWIV going to SBB and the swap of the Re 4/4IV to SOB in return for four Re 4/4IIIs.


Mike C

Thank you Markus!

John

Am 18.06.2016 um 23:49 schrieb jlovda@... [SwissRail]:

I have been looking at my slides and images of Swiss trains lately and I am mentally trying to date some of the bigger visual changes I've seen since my first trip in 1983. I know some were gradual but what would be the approx. year of greatest change? Can anyone date this list? There are probably many others but these are the ones I remember noticing:

1. Red locomotives appear

Re 4/4" 11178 15.11.1983

2. Ae 4/7's begin to fade away

1992

3. Re 460's appear

1992-96

4. Rect. headlamps and angled front handrails appear

11178 came with rectangular headlamps, handrails only later (for UIC-cable)

5. Air conditioning on Re 4/4 II and Re6/6's appear

2005

6. Re 4/4 I's begin to fade away.

withdrawn (SBB) 1994-98

7. Steuerwagens and push-pull trains appear

1926, on InterCities 1996

8. Red and blue CARGO locomotives appear

see Re 482

9. IC-2000 coaches appear

1996

10: Wappen on Ae 6/6's disappear

ask the thieves

11. ICN trains appear

1999-2005

12. Thurbo type passenger trains appear

MThB GTW 1998, Thurbo GTW 2003

13. The first "German made" (i.e. Re 482, etc.) CARGO locomotives appear

2002

I have been looking at my slides and images of Swiss trains lately and I am mentally trying to date some of the bigger visual changes I've seen since my first trip in 1983. I know some were gradual but what would be the approx. year of greatest change? Can anyone date this list? There are probably many others but these are the ones I remember noticing:

1. Red locomotives appear
2. Ae 4/7's begin to fade away
3. Re 460's appear
4. Rect. headlamps and angled front handrails appear
5. Air conditioning on Re 4/4 II and Re6/6's appear
6. Re 4/4 I's begin to fade away.
7. Steuerwagens and push-pull trains appear
8. Red and blue CARGO locomotives appear
9. IC-2000 coaches appear
10: Wappen on Ae 6/6's disappear
11. ICN trains appear
12. Thurbo type passenger trains appear
13. The first "German made" (i.e. Re 482, etc.) CARGO locomotives appear

This may be an interesting puzzle.

Thanks,

John

MGB B 2285, an SIG type I coach, was torn apart in a push-pull consist in the Matter valley some days ago. It seems that the aluminium of these coaches has suffered over the years.

ZB had to take the remaining three A of the SIG type I to the workshop for repairs. They have temporarily been replaced by B 581 and 582 which got first class inscriptions and a yellow stripe.

Markus, Gürbetal

Am 18.06.2016 um 22:19 schrieb mark31ellis@... [SwissRail]:

when will we see complete elimination of loco hauled passenger
services other than Chur-St Moritz ?

I think RhB will put headboards on the Ge 4/4 II indicating "I'm a motor coach" in order to reduce the number of loco hauled trains.

Markus, G�rbetal

Does any body know when the first of these units will enter service, also, when will we see complete elimination of loco hauled passenger services other than Chur-St Moritz ? Presumably the Vereina car shuttles will still require loco haulage and there will still be some freight workings.
How many Loco's will be retained in total?

16 and 17.07 23 and 24.07 (and later 26 and 27.11) between 0630 and 2130


Reduced service between Basel and Olten/Zürich. One casualty is the Gotthard IR trains which will terminate/start at Olten

No trains and no bus replacement on the following dates due to the Tour de France being in the area:


(Perhaps a reaction to what happened with the TGV last year https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQCULdOS6cg )


Bern - Köniz 18.07.2016 1550-1800


Kallnach - Kerzers 18.07.2016 1510-1730


Toffen - Burgistein 20.07.2016 1040-1250


Erlenbach im Simmental - Zweisimmen 20.07.2016 1255-1405