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Re: MGB driving trailers

tudor erich
 

Has any explanation been found yet for this `aberration`?
Bernard


Re: Report on short trip SBB freight (Othmarsingen) plus Lake Geneva area standard and metre gauge lines

OL.Guerbetal
 

Am 08.07.2016 um 16:27 schrieb csipromo@yahoo.com [SwissRail]:
AFAIK the Re 460 IC2000 Pendelzug trains are still part of SBB plans.
With the upcoming arrival of the Twindexx and Giruno trainsets, it is
first and foremost the Re 420s and IR trains that will be phased out
of service.
Sure the IC2000 will remain in use but it is likely that you will no longer find so long trains (10 coaches) as you can find now in the Gen�ve - St. Gallen diagram.

The next generation to go is everything without air condition:
- EW I/II klB
- B 21-73 ex Bpm ex Bm Z2

As reported the 26 B 20-73 ex Bpm Z1 had hastily been taken out of service and a larger batch of them sold to the Czech republic. However, these /had/ air condition.

Markus, G�rbetal


Domodossola derailment

Martin Baumann
 

11662+11330 were derailed between the station and Domo II yard today. There are no further details at present


Re: Report on short trip SBB freight (Othmarsingen) plus Lake Geneva area standard and metre gauge lines

csipromo
 

Not quite sure about what you meant about the double deck ICs being a threatened species. Do you mean on that route or in general. AFAIK the Re 460 IC2000 Pendelzug trains are still part of SBB plans. With the upcoming arrival of the Twindexx and Giruno trainsets, it is first and foremost the Re 420s and IR trains that will be phased out of service.

Regards


Mike C


Report on short trip SBB freight (Othmarsingen) plus Lake Geneva area standard and metre gauge lines

gordonwis
 

Swiss weekend report 17 – 19 June

Late post but I have tried to get some useful detail in to the report, not least attention photographers – if you want to get photos of Re420/421/430 locos with traditional metal numbers on the front act soon – especially for freight locos. The Cargo sector is putting its Re4/4II and III through renumbering more hastily than the passenger sector. Many cargo Re4/4s now have painted Re4xx numbers on the front but are retaining their raised numerals on the body side

On both passenger and Cargo loks the full length UIC number is being added on the lower left of the bodyside.

One amusing thing to note is how the new number – and indeed the retrofitted cab aircon unit has been integrated in the Swiss Express livery on 11109 (which I saw in the Lausanne-Geneva area in company of ex-Swiss express 11133), where I also saw two of the Gottardo 2016 branded SBB loks.


Main aim of this short trip to my folks was to be in CH on a Friday to get early morning and evening shots of the Mon – Fri only long distance commuter trains along Lake Geneva in the ‘long daylight’ season, with a jaunt to see some freight in central Switzerland (at Othmarsingen).

Another thing I did was to make sure I did phot the double deck loco hauled Genève – St Gallen ICs (as they are now a threatened species)

Thursday pm delayed Eazy flight LGW – GVA (storm activity in Rhone – Alpes)


Friday 17 / 6

Genthod Bellevue:

Very first thing on arrival at 07.20 was a Mystery outbound 3-coach train hauled by an Re4/4II (had people on but totally untimetabled)

Then watched and photted:
11147 IR1904 Sion – Genève (GE) 07.51
11311 Ebd postal 08.13
11121 IR1906 Sion – GE 08.20
465 015 Cats Eye GE La Praille – Daillens Coop fridge containers 08.29
IR1908 11132 Bex – GE 08.51 as booked load 6 EWI blue set
1904 and 1906 were as booked – ie load 11 (7 refurbished RIC + 3 EWIV 1 Eurofima)

GE - Brig circuit: 460 029, 043, 099, all locos at Genève end as booked

IC 2000 d/d GE - St Gallen circuit: 460 042, 088

I then set off on my out and back to Othmarsingen. Perhaps a bit ambitious on my only weekday of a short trip but I wanted maximise freight volume viewed and Othmarsingen sees north south and east west freight through the same station.

Denges:
Gottardo 2016 420 268 stabled 10.06


Lausanne:
11109 dispozug spare EWI set Lausanne
11145 coming from carriage siding – assume this had hauled 1554 NE – Lausanne

Bern:
460 100
460 031 IR2171
465 001 (?) stabled
420 504 stabled on stock – but with lots of hi-viz jacketed men filling the internal corridor inside the loco – all visible through the bodyside windows.

Olten:
11143 dispozug EWI 12.06
a couple of 540s visible

Däniken
16391 parked/stored oou?


Aarau container terminal:
18405 yard pilot
421 396 + 395 waiting on short container Aarau – Basel RB



Seen at Othmarsingen

Codes:
B – H = Birr – Hendschicken route ie Sbd Basel - Gotthard traffic
Z = Zurich line
B = Birr/Brugg line
H – Z = Hendschicken – Zurich (ie Nbd from Gotthard switching to Zurich line)
L – Z = Eastbound Lenzburg – Zurich route
Z – L = westbound Zurich – Lenzburg route
Ebd = Eastbound
Wbd = Westbound

11185 Wbd gen freight Z – L 12.36
421 384 Wbd postal Z – L 13.02
185121 185 101? Sbd mixed B – H 13.10
460 030 Ebd IC571 L – Z 13.11
460 113 + 460 007 Ebd IC717 Jumbo top and tail L – Z 13.15
11348 + 620 xxx (filthy cargo livery – very unphotogenic) Sbd B – H 13.22
11150 Wbd UID train number including refurb and green/grey RIC stock Z – L 13.23
11116 Wbd UID train number mixed EC/EWIV/Refurb RIC Z – L 13.28
11315 Holcim hoppers H – Z 13.29
620 074 + Re4/4UID B – H Gotthard intermodal 13.35
11190 Wbd cargo vans Z – L 13.42
460 021 IC821? d/d Ebd L – Z 13.44
ICE Ebd ICE71 L - Z 13.46
460 048 Ebd IR2371 L – Z 13.48
TGV set 4730 Wbd TGV9222 Z – L 13.53
430 370 Ebd Infra L – Z 13.54
923 006 Wbd Cargo 3 wagon trip B – H (possibly B – L ) 13.56
11242 Ebd Infra L – Z 13.57
430 356 Wbd postal Z – L 14.02
11246 + Re421xxx Wbd freight open bogie wagons (ex SNCF type) Z – L 14.06
11646 green original Re6/6 Z – L light loco 14.09
TGV set 4726 Ebd TGV 9211 L – Z 14.13
460 xxx + 11301 pushing UID IR Z - L 14.16
460 xxx Ebd L - Z UID IR 14.16
ICE Wbd Z – L 14.20
421 396 + 421 395 (unusual symmetry!) Ebd L – B short containers Aarau – Basel RB 14.23
11349 + 11667 Sbd B – H Gotthard Intermodal 14.32

Left Othmarsingen for the journey back west

Lenzburg:
11112 stabled

Bern
460 050 1534 to Brig
460 088 mine IC 7 SG - GE

Back to Lausanne on IC from Bern, and headed along the Lake in bright sunshine to St Saphorin for the eastbound hauled commuters

St Saphorin:
11147 Genève – Sion
460 036 Brig - Genève
11121 GE AP – St Maurice EWI set
11187 mixed freight Wbd 18.17

Lausanne 11126 + dispozug spare EWI set Lausanne (replaced 11109 on same set since the morning


Saturday 18 June 2016

Main aim today was to get a phot of a MOB 4000 twin unit, if possible on the loop at Sonzier with the lakeside background.

NStCM closed for refurbishment Trelex – Givrins. New StadlerABe 4/8 units working lowland section Nyon – Trelex, 1980s Vevey units working upper section Givrins – La Cure

Drove to Trelex to get into Vaud canton to benefit from Mobilis Vaud all zones day ticket

Nyon :
460 043, 048, 051, 062, 114 Brig – GE – Brig circuit today

Montreux:
6001 train 2111
Unit 7002 Montreux – Sonzier for the hoped for loop shot - no 4000 but the next best thing – a 6000 in each direction
6004 uphill 2222 ‘pure local’ 10.58 Montreux - Zweisimmen
6006 2213 ‘pure local’ Zweisimmen – Montreux 11.04

At Chernex depot: new Stadler just delivered 9201/9301, 9202/9302, 9203/9303,1007 ex ASm single car , Deutz 040D V121

8004 2124 Montreux - Zweisimmen
8002 3115 Zweisimmen – Montreux

4001 2224 Montreux – Zweisimmen – ridden to Sendy Sollard for phots with the last remaining MOB wooden overhead poles

Sendy Sollard
8003 2119 GPP VIP Zweisimmen – Montreux
6005 3126 Goldenpass Classic Montreux – Zweisimmen running approx. 20 late!

The main thing that struck me about the MOB is the way that even the pure local services now have a panoramic coach in the set. In the past the remaining non ‘Goldenpass’ dubbed trains were very often a 4000 hauling a few ordinary EW type coaches – plus also the comparative lack of 4000 workings (although it was a Saturday)

Weather deteriorated so headed back to lower altitudes and to give ourselves time for a trip to La Cure on the NStCM – which I haven’t done for years



11648 parked Renens with wagons 1725



Sunday 19/6/2016

Today’s aim was to visit Aigle, where TPC (AOMC) was having an open day - viz:

TPC (AOMC bit) bade an official farewell to its old stock at an open day timed to coincide with the local cycling and cultural event la Fugue Chablaisienne.

Special free shuttles between Aigle and En Châlex depot were shared between new Stadler unit 542 and 1954 Schindler/BBC rack and adhesion car 514 (originally 14). In addition, travel was free between Aigle and Monthey, additionally serving the staff platform at En Châlex, and during the morning, ex Birsigtalbahn car 102 plus driving trailer was on the Aigle - Monthey service, replaced in the afternoon by 1986 built Vevey set 501/531

The ex BTB cars have what may be the last seating on any stock in Switzerland which retains 1960s style leatherette seating with red covers for smoking and green for non smoking.


This day was another chance to grab the value for money Mobilis Vaud day ticket. Parking is free on a Sunday in Nyon and traffic lighter (as Swiss town centres don’t open on Sundays unlike some other countries…) so no need to park out at Trelex.

Nyon around 09.40:

11133 + 11109 light towards Genève. These locos are both ‘Swiss Express’ Re4/4II: 11109 retains its orange livery but 11133 is red but the buffer beams and SBB logo on the cab ends reveal its past

Aigle:
Enjoyed the activities and a last ride on ex-BTB102 to Monthey (free for the day along with the special Aigle – depot shuttle)
I don’t like the across the board TPC green livery though…luckily the departure to Leysin I photted in the street was the remaining brown liveried set.

Set off back west quite early to give ourselves time to ride to Biere on the BAM (MBC if you must!) looking for the new aggregates siding at Les Delices and as
I was booked on the Sunday evening flight back to LGW

Denges:
The 4 Ee6/6 were parked in a curving line abreast across the marshalling yard in a deliberate aesthetically pleasing spacing across otherwise empty sidings

Morges:
460 114 GE – Brig IR 11.53
460 056 Brig – GE 1213
460 041 GE – Brig 15.04
460 088 GE SG d/d 15.10

Time for a trip to Biere on a new Stadler plastic – only hourly service on Sundays so two sets only – and the other set was the old one!

The two locos were stabled at Biere

Very reflective windows didn’t allow me to photograph the new aggregates siding from inside the train – and it is impossible to get to on foot


Re: B RIC ex-Bpm 1979

Martin Baumann
 

Now confirmed that these 13 20-73 are going to Regiojet. They already have 12 ex SBB UIC A9


Re: B RIC ex-Bpm 1979

Martin Baumann
 

Lokomotion 139 135 was seen departing Buchs today for an unknown destination hauling


50 85 20-73

014-6
021-1
022-9
009-6
008-8
007-0
015-3
003-9
025-2
018-7
004-7
006-2
019-5


Re: Gotthard Base Tunnel open

OL.Guerbetal
 

Am 05.07.2016 um 21:24 schrieb Toma Bacic:
Which trains are using GBT now regularly?
Today: none

On 4 and 5 June there was a certain number of timetabled trains running through GBT and stopping at the temporary stations Polleggio and Ryn�cht.

The Gottardino train will run from 2 August to 27 November 2016 daily except Mondays from Fl�elen to Biasca and back, stopping at the Multifunktionsstelle Sedrun.

IC services will start on 11 December 2016

Many regular and commercial freight trains will be rerouted through GBT before December but I don't have details on this.

MArkus, G�rbetal


Re: Gotthard Base Tunnel open

Toma Bacic
 

And I don't understand what your question refers to.
Which trains are using GBT now regularly?

regards
toma


Re: Gotthard Base Tunnel open

OL.Guerbetal
 

Am 05.07.2016 um 16:02 schrieb Toma Bacic:
I don't understand which regular passenger trains uses GBT now?
And I don't understand what your question refers to.

Markus, Gürbetal


Re: Gotthard Panoramic Express

Guerbetaler
 

Am 05.07.2016 um 14:36 schrieb Krist van Besien:
I have a queston though: All the SBB panorama coaches are 1st class. Is the
SBB planning to convert some to 2nd class for this train?
Last information I had was that 2nd class would be normal coaches and include coaches with windows to open. But the truth may change daily...

Markus, Gürbetal


Re: Gotthard Base Tunnel open

Toma Bacic
 

[top posting full quote repaired]
I don't understand which regular passenger trains uses GBT now? Or still only test trains are using the tunnel, and all revenue services are using old line? Thnx and regards toma


Gotthard Panoramic Express

Krist van Besien
 

SBB is introducing a new named train: The Gotthard Panoramic Express. This
train will run during the summer season from Zürich to Bellinzona over the
Gotthard mountain route, and will connect with ships from Luzern in
Fluelen, replacing the Wilhelm Tell Express.

I have a queston though: All the SBB panorama coaches are 1st class. Is the
SBB planning to convert some to 2nd class for this train?

Krist


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Re: car transport in Switzerland

OL.Guerbetal
 

Am 04.07.2016 um 22:00 schrieb Toma Bacic:
So, just in winter?
There was a Summer timetable for most car transports but not that many motorists wanting to take the train ...

Somewhere I found info that Gotthard starts in 1924...
I think, cars had been transported by rail since the cars were invented. But if BLS says 1926 for the Lötschberg it's well possible that 1924 was some offer to transport cars through the Gotthard. This meant that the car was loaded on a flat car and the flat car attached to a passenger train.

Why Davos Glaris - Wiesen service was 'very special'?
They had a few two-axle flat cars waiting in the stations so that in case of a road closing, which was a few days per year, cars could be transported at the rear of the regular passenger trains.

And was restarted in 2001 after the tunnel collision and fire; for few
months.
Right, and some of the roofs that were produced for this service were reused for the Simplon shuttle later.

On Albula RhB uses identical wagons as on Vereina, or on Albula RhB uses
Skl wagons?
On the Albula RhB used all sorts of flat cars, if they carried a "-w" in the type letters, which meant (and still means) that the boards at the ends can be lowered. Most R-w 8241-50 and 8261-70 were used for this service in Winter. Only 1975 RhB started to build dedicated car transport wagons for the Albula service, reusing underframes of scrapped wooden coaches. Finally there were 12 Skl 8401-12, which were enough for the Summer but still needed help from R-w in Winter. After the end of the Albula service, some were scrapped, some were reused for bicycle transports and two had been sold to MGB for the Oberalp service. This is the last service of this type and there can still be some R-wv in use together with the now 8 Skl-v 4831-38. A car train I saw on 26.02.2006 consisted from one HGe 4/4", 5 Skl-v, 1 R-wv and 1 B:
105-4835-4834-4836-4832-4798-4833-2273

Markus, Gürbetal


Re: car transport in Switzerland

Toma Bacic
 

On Fri, Jul 1, 2016 at 10:59 PM, Guerbetaler muesche2-swissrail@yahoo.de
[SwissRail] <SwissRail@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

The first dedicated car transport wagon of BLS was built 1954 in Bönigen
for the Lötschberg tunnel. At about the same time SBB introduced this
type of wagon. They were used for the Gotthard and the Simplon tunnel
during the closing of the roads over the pass.
So, just in winter?

A similar service was
offered by RhB between Thusis and Samedan through Albula tunnel when the
road over Julier pass was closed. I have no exact date for this but it
might have started very early, transporting single flat cars behind
passenger trains. A very special service of this type also existed
between Davos Glaris and Wiesen, when the Zügenschlucht road was closed
due to danger of avalanches.
BLS says on its web page that they started to transport cars in 1926.
Dedicated car transport trains started in 1960
<https://www.bls.ch/d/autoverlad/about-geschichte.php>
Somewhere I found info that Gotthard starts in 1924...
Why Davos Glaris - Wiesen service was 'very special'?


New services were introduced with the opening of Furka Base Tunnel in
1982 and the opening of Vereina Tunnel in 1999. FO also offered a car
transport over the Oberalp in Winter on flat cars behind passenger
trains, which developed into three dedicated car transport trains a day.

First to go was Zügenschlucht when a road tunnel opened in 1974.
Gotthard service ended when the road tunnel opened in 1980.
And was restarted in 2001 after the tunnel collision and fire; for few
months.

Simplon service was also stopped, after the road was improved but
reopened after some time, when the Canton of Wallis offered some
subsidies to SBB...
Albula went down to near nothing after the opening of Vereina but was
still offered until 2011.
On Albula RhB uses identical wagons as on Vereina, or on Albula RhB uses
Skl wagons?
On Vereina RhB uses 36 Skl-tv wagons produced in 1999 and 3 (simmilar or
identical) wagons produced in 2001.

regards
toma


Re: MGB driving trailers

Bill Bolton
 

On Sun, 3 Jul 2016 15:27:31 +0000 (UTC), glenn allen wrote:

<https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:MGB_ABt_4158_Pendelzug_G%C3%B6schenen_Juni2016.jpg>

Seems the link has been zapped?
Works fine "as is" for me!

Cheers,

Bill

Bill Bolton
Sydney, Australia


Re: MGB driving trailers

glenn allen
 

<snip>
Thus the link should work like this.
Markus



and indeed it did at the third attempt. Nice clear photo.


Re: MGB driving trailers

OL.Guerbetal
 

Am 03.07.2016 um 17:27 schrieb glenn allen:
<https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:MGB_ABt_4158_Pendelzug_G%C3%B6schenen_Juni2016.jpg>

Seems the link has been zapped? I got G%C3%b6schenen in the middle,
should that be something more 'plain'?
Wikipedia uses the names of the objects to form an URL but containing diacritical signs requires a recoding which is what you see. The ö becomes %C3%b6. Thus the link should work like this.

Markus


Re: MGB driving trailers

glenn allen
 

On Sunday, 3 July 2016,Guerbetaler wrote:


<snip>
<https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:MGB_ABt_4158_Pendelzug_G%C3%B6schenen_Juni2016.jpg>


Markus, Gürbetal

Seems the link has been zapped? I got G%C3%b6schenen in the middle, should that be something more 'plain'?


MGB driving trailers

OL.Guerbetal
 

On 23 June I found MGB ABt 4158 in Göschenen in a push-pull consist but with the front diaphragm still mounted. Ususally the diaphragm is only mounted when a driving trailer (mostly 4158 or 4159) is used as coach and removed when it comes back for use with Deh 4/4.

<https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:MGB_ABt_4158_Pendelzug_G%C3%B6schenen_Juni2016.jpg>

Markus, Gürbetal

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