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Re: Re474 - ES64

OL.Guerbetal
 

Am 26.02.2017 um 03:16 schrieb jlovda@yahoo.com:
What are the major differences between the Siemens SBB Cargo Re474
and the black MRCE ES64?
If we speak of the ES64 F4 (not the ES 64 U2), then there are only two:
1) the colour
2) safety systems (ATW/ATS)

SBBIN locomotives can at least be used in DE, CH, IT, SL, HR, NL
SBBC 474 can be used in CH and IT

Markus, G�rbetal


Re474 - ES64

John Lovda
 

What are the major differences between the Siemens SBB Cargo Re474 and the black MRCE ES64?


Thanks,
John


Re: New Zurich trams finally ordered

Martin Baumann
 

Stadler will not be taking the case to the Bundesgericht


Siemens have not said anything yet


Re: Long-distance concession talks break down

OL.Guerbetal
 

Am 24.02.2017 um 13:11 schrieb Keith Hookham:
So what does this mean?
Exactly what they say: "BLS regretted that there was �no positive outcome� to the joint discussions and confirmed that it was now �in a competitive situation�."


Long-distance concession talks break down

Keith Hookham
 

So what does this mean? I remember the days of the Brown Bombers taking
over at Bern and heading towards Thun. (Just)
http://www.railwaygazette.com/news/single-view/view/long-distance-concession-talks-break-down.html

Cheers Keith


Re: After FLIRTs for England, KISSes for California

Andrew Moglestue
 

---In SwissRail@yahoogroups.com, <guerbetaler@...> wrote :


the contemporary ac-dc-ac type where you can just as well bring dc
directly to the intermediate circuit (IF this is the correct translation
for Zwischenkreis).
I have always understood Zwischenkreis to be translated as DC link.


You might thus say
DC link capacitor for Zwischenkreiskondensator
DC link voltage for Zwischenkreisspannung
etc etc


Re: After FLIRTs for England, KISSes for California

Martin Baumann
 

The Stadler order for California is now at risk of cancellation. Funding for the electrification has been suspended by the new administration


http://sfist.com/2017/02/18/trump_administration_on_the_way_to.php


Re: Tram Parad e in Zürich on the 21s t of May

Andrew Moglestue
 

Tower wagon number 1995 was originally built as a road tower wagon for Industriequartier Strassenbahn. The tower was later transferred onto a rail underframe which according to some sources was from a former horse trailer.


Re: New Zurich trams finally ordered

OL.Guerbetal
 

Am 21.02.2017 um 20:06 schrieb martin98baumann@outlook.com [SwissRail]:
Verwaltungsgericht Zürich (not sure what the UK equivalent is? High Court?)
From what I can find there is no equivalent in the UK... as there are no cantons in the UK!

We have a Bundesverwaltungsgericht (in St. Gallen), a federal administrative court, of which the equivalent in the UK is the Administrative Court, itself part of the Queen's Bench Division of the High Court of Justice.
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Court_of_Justice>

The Verwaltungsgericht Zürich is the cantonal equivalent of the Bundesverwaltungsgericht.

Markus, Gürbetal


Re: New Zurich trams finally ordered

OL.Guerbetal
 

Am 21.02.2017 um 20:06 schrieb martin98baumann@outlook.com [SwissRail]:
The Verwaltungsgericht Zürich (not sure what the UK equivalent is?
High Court?) today rejected the complaints by Stadler and Siemens
No, not so far. The administrative court only denied the suspensive effect, which means that VBZ and Bombardier can go ahead but that a financial compensation for any irregularity in the procedure is still possible. Stadler and Siemens could appeal to the federal court to reinstate the suspensive effect.

Markus, Gürbetal


Re: New Zurich trams finally ordered

Martin Baumann
 


Re: New Zurich trams finally ordered

Martin Baumann
 

The Verwaltungsgericht Zürich (not sure what the UK equivalent is? High Court?) today rejected the complaints by Stadler and Siemens so that the contract can now be awarded to Bombardier


Re: Tram Parad e in Zürich on the 21s t of May

Martin Baumann
 

The two Turmwagen with the Zürich tram museum:


1994 built (year) 1930 as 1024 renumbered 2024 in the 1940s and 1994 around 1975. This was a new build


1995 built for Industriequartierstrassenbahn date unclear but my list says the truck was replaced in 1902. It was "Turmwagen 2" until 1931 then 1025. 2025 from 1946-1975 then 1995


14 former horse cars became works vehicles, the majority were withdrawn by 1946 but 1988 and 1989 which were rail transport cars lasted until at least (year) 1985. I don't have a withdrawal date for them other than they had gone by 2000


32 horse cars became electric trailer cars. They were withdrawn by 1913 but some saw further service with other operators


Re: Tram Parad e in Zürich on the 21s t of May

Andrew Moglestue
 

On the topic of Zürich horse trams.


As Markus mentioned, VHS has a replica that was converted from a VMC car. This has visited Zürich for past anniversaries.


Alternatively, Neuchatel has a horse car trailer that has also visited Zürich.


As Markus says, following the cessation of horse-drawn haulage and the conversion of the remaining sections to meter gauge, several cars were regauged to meter gauge and continued in use as trailers.


Some of these cars later became works cars. I'm a bit sketchy on the details here but one of ther early Mitteilungsblatts of TMZ is dedicated to early works cars. I can dig up my copy and check the details if anybody is interested. If anybody is extremely interested, I understand TMZ still have some leftover copies in their "Flohmarkt" section. That's where I bought mine. It's an extremely interesting publication to peruse.


One of the illustrations in this Miiteilungsblatt is a photograph shwoing a former horse car in use as some sort of mess car or stores van at a major construction site. It had been pushed off the rails but looked as if it might still be moved onto and off site on its own wheels.


Still in existence today are a pair of "Turmwagen" that were used to inspect and repair the overhead lines. During their final years they were used to clean skylights and replace fluorescent tubes in the depots. They are now in the custody of TMZ and supposedly safe but I'm not sure of their storage location.


Accounts as to the provenance and history of these cars vary. But it would seem that the trucks they are built on are either ex horse car, or at least use components from horse cars. Of course seeing the original horse cars were regauged and quite possibly also re-trucked, their history would be a bit like grandfather's famous broom that had in the course of its career received both a new head and a new handle, but is still quite definitely the same broom.


Andrew


Re: Tram Parade in Zürich on the 21s t of May

Chris Wood
 

In 1953 SIG restored the former VMC car 10 of 1888 as StStZ horse car
27, while VMC car 4 was later restored as VMC 4. Car 27 was used in
Zürich on some occasions and then transferred to the Swiss Transport
Museum (VHS).
Ah, now I understand. That also explains why the photo in your previous post appeared to show that the car was using the metre gauge rails of the museum's mixed gauge.


Re: Tram Parade in Zürich on the 21st of May

OL.Guerbetal
 

The description of the parade as including trams from 1882 to 2010
does raise an interesting question though. The only trams in Zürich
in 1882 were horse trams, and Zürich's horse trams were standard
gauge, whilst today's track is meter gauge.
StStZ then had 40 horse trailers of which 32 were regauged and reused as trailers behind the electric motors. They were in use until 1912, when replaced by newly delivered cars. Some of them were sold or parts reused but none has survived as a passenger vehicle.

In 1953 SIG restored the former VMC car 10 of 1888 as StStZ horse car 27, while VMC car 4 was later restored as VMC 4. Car 27 was used in Zürich on some occasions and then transferred to the Swiss Transport Museum (VHS).

Markus, Gürbetal


Re: Tram Parade in Zürich on the 21st of May

OL.Guerbetal
 

Am 20.02.2017 um 16:35 schrieb chris_j_wood@yahoo.com:
The description of the parade as including trams from 1882 to 2010
does raise an interesting question though. The only trams in Zürich
in 1882 were horse trams, and Zürich's horse trams were standard
gauge, whilst today's track is meter gauge. Wonder how they will
manage that.
<http://busfrei.startbilder.de/bild/Schweiz~Kt.+Luzern~Luzern/504697/171312---vbz-roesslitram---nr-27.html>


Re: Tram Parade in Zürich on the 21st of May

Chris Wood
 

Found out a little more background on this. Apparently it is the 50th anniversary of the foundation of the TMZ (Tram-Museum Zürich) and the 10th anniversary of the opening of the current museum premises at Burgwies. There is a whole series of events, described (in German) at:

http://www.tram-museum.ch/de/jubilaeumsjahr-2017

The description of the parade as including trams from 1882 to 2010 does raise an interesting question though. The only trams in Zürich in 1882 were horse trams, and Zürich's horse trams were standard gauge, whilst today's track is meter gauge. Wonder how they will manage that.

Anyway I've just booked some leave, so with luck I'll be there to find out.


Tram Parade in Zürich on the 21st of May

Chris Wood
 

According to this months Tramways & Urban Transit, there will be a parade of trams on Limmatquai in Zürich on the 21st of May. The plan is for the parade to comprise 19 trams dating from 1882 to 2010, suggesting that a big part of the TMZ's operational fleet will be in the parade.


Overpowered Ersatzzug

Martin Baumann
 

2065 0937 Basel SBB-Zürich Flughafen was today worked by two EWI/EWII sets coupled together and in one of those the driving trailer was replaced by a loco. The train was worked by 11161 11191 and 11127

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