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Re: Info on 2 closed SBB lines near Zurich?

Chris Wood
 

Tunnels closed to rail traffic and now road tunnels not previously mentioned:

Bissone Tunnel on Gotthard line closed 12.12.1963

...
I've identified all the others you mention on map.geo.admin.ch, but I'm stumped by the Bissone one. I'm looking at the Bissone that lies at the eastern end of the Melide causeway. I can see no sign of a tunnel being reused for a road near there. Am I in the wrong place?.


Re: Info on 2 closed SBB lines near Zurich?

Martin Baumann
 

Tunnels closed to rail traffic and now road tunnels not previously mentioned:


Bissone Tunnel on Gotthard line closed 12.12.1963


Saspietsch Tunnel on closed (29.11.1965) Ponte Brolla to Bignasco line was re-used as a road tunnel in 2001


The section of line replaced between Salgesch and Leuk on 05.11.2004 is now a road and includes the 125m Leuk Tunnel


The 170m Zangschirli Tunnel on the closed Leuk-Leukerbad line (27.05.1967) is now a road tunnel


There are examples of closed formations re-used for roads whithout a tunnel. For instance between Biel and Tüscherz where a deviation (new rail tunnel) opened 14.03.1969


http://www.bielertagblatt.ch/nachrichten/vermischtes/vor-dem-tunnel-fuer-die-bahn http://www.bielertagblatt.ch/nachrichten/vermischtes/vor-dem-tunnel-fuer-die-bahn


Re: Info on 2 closed SBB lines near Zurich?

Chris Wood
 

Markus writes:

Interesting thing is playing with "transparency", hidden behind the cogwheel
It is interesting the way this shows that the westbound carriageway of the A3 motorway follows the old railway route along the south shore of the Walensee, apparently even to the extend of going through the same tunnels. The eastbound carriageway uses a direct tunnel under the Kerenzerberg, roughly parallel to the current railway tunnel. Something I hadn't previously realised.

What with the road reuse of the rail tunnel between Enge and Wiedikon (covered earlier in this thread), that is two fairly significant conversions of rail to road usage, which is something I'd never previously associated with Switzerland. Are there others?.


Re: Cargo Re 4/4 II stored

Martin Baumann
 

11175, not one of the locos stored in Full or Biberist, is believed to be withdrawn and to be going to Kaiseraugst for scrap. This is not yet confirmed though


Re: Info on 2 closed SBB lines near Zurich?

Toma Bacic
 

<https://map.geo.admin.ch/?topic=ech&lang=en&bgLayer=ch.swisstopo.pixelkarte-farbe&layers=ch.swisstopo.zeitreihen,ch.bfs.gebaeude_wohnungs_register,ch.bav.haltestellen-oev,ch.swisstopo.swisstlm3d-wanderwege&layers_visibility=true,false,false,false&layers_timestamp=18641231,,,&X=219535.64&Y=727498.28&zoom=7>


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toma


Re: Info on 2 closed SBB lines near Zurich?

OL.Guerbetal
 

Am 02.04.2017 um 21:50 schrieb Dixie Dean:
If you go to
<https://map.geo.admin.ch/?topic=ech&lang=en&bgLayer=ch.swisstopo.pixelkarte-farbe&layers=ch.swisstopo.zeitreihen,ch.bfs.gebaeude_wohnungs_register,ch.bav.haltestellen-oev,ch.swisstopo.swisstlm3d-wanderwege&layers_visibility=true,false,false,false&layers_timestamp=18641231,,,&X=219535.64&Y=727498.28&zoom=7>
you can see the original railway lines and then trace them on the modern
day map.
Interesting thing is playing with "transparency", hidden behind the cogwheel of "Journey through time - Maps".

Markus


Re: Info on 2 closed SBB lines near Zurich?

Clive Dean
 

If you go to
https://map.geo.admin.ch/?topic=ech&lang=en&bgLayer=ch.swisstopo.pixelkarte-farbe&layers=ch.swisstopo.zeitreihen,ch.bfs.gebaeude_wohnungs_register,ch.bav.haltestellen-oev,ch.swisstopo.swisstlm3d-wanderwege&layers_visibility=true,false,false,false&layers_timestamp=18641231,,,&X=219535.64&Y=727498.28&zoom=7

you can see the original railway lines and then trace them on the modern
day map.

Dixie


Re: Monte Generoso

OL.Guerbetal
 

Am 01.04.2017 um 15:28 schrieb Toma Bacic toma.bacic@gmail.com [SwissRail]:
Was it reopened?
On 29th of March was the official event with invited guests.

On https://www.montegeneroso.ch opening date is April 8th...
That's for the general public.

Also, the railway is modernised / rebuild; or is still in pre-2014 condition?
The railway hasn't undergone changes. In the upper part it was used for transports during the construction work.

Not too much information made it's way over the Gotthard...

Markus, Gürbetal


Re: Monte Generoso

Chris Wood
 

Toma asks:

Was it reopened?
I don't know. It may be that the 29th March event was purely ceremonial.

Also, the railway is modernised / rebuild; or is still in pre-2014 condition?
All the reports I've read over the last couple of years merely talk about the rebuild of the terminal complex. And if new rolling stock had been ordered, I think we would have seen that in the trade press.

But it would seem strange to close a railway for a couple of years and not use the opportunity to do work on the line. If only to keep the staff busy and avoid having to lay them off.


Re: Info on 2 closed SBB lines near Zurich?

Christopher
 

The Swisstopo map website's aerial photography clearly shows traces of:

1) Bassersdorf - the original track alignment through the town can still be clearly seen, with much of it re-used for minor roads/streets. The site of the original Bassersdorf station is visible, but has been built over.


2) Niederglatt - Otelfingen - the route of this line can still be seen for much of its length.


3) Weesen - the outline of the original curved alignment of the Zurich - Chur mainline can still be seen in the present town layout, although sadly the original station building seems to have been lost in the near total redevelopment of the station site. No traces can be seen of the original alignment of the Linthal branchline between Weesen and Nafels-Mollis or of the mainline between Weesen and Ziegelbrucke, but presumably yhe trackbeds of both have been ploughed back into the fields.


4) Emmenbrucke - Waldibrucke - part of the original route of the Seetalbahn is still in use for freight traffic between Waldibrucke and Emmenfeld, with most of the rest traceable as a narrow road running beside the main road. Emmen station however seems to have gone and the original Seetalbahn exit track out of Emmenbrucke station is hard to spot, especially since the sidings there seem to have been mostly lifted. From my first trip on the Seetalbahn years ago, I remember the curious way for Luzern - Lenzburg trains to leave the station at Emmenbrucke to head onto the Seetalbahn, where they had to pull out of the station into the sidings, then reverse out onto the Seetalbahn! An anachronism now hard to visualise had I not witnessed it back then.


5) Beinwil am See - Beromunster - much of the route of the now-lifted Seetalbahn branchline between these two places can still be seen, either as narrow tarmacked lanes between Beinwil and Reinach, the WSB metre-gauge line between Reinach and Menziken (which was re-routed onto the standard-gauge line's vacant trackbed to remove a street-running section), and as country lanes between Menziken and Beromunster. What may be either the original Beromunster station building or loco shed may survive there.


6) Wildegg - Lenzburg - the abandoned Northern section of the Seetalbahn can still be traced for most of its length, although the former station at Niederlenz is hard to spot, and the former Lenzburg Stadt station, where the kiosk apparently outlived the train service for many years and where the overhead catenary masts oulived their wires when the line between Spitzkehr junction and Lenzburg Industrie was retained for freight traffic - I clearly remember seeing Lenzburg Stadt station with its ghostly wireless catenary masts many years ago - seems to have been obliterated by road-building........


Fascinating.


Chris


Re: Monte Generoso

Toma Bacic
 

Was it reopened? On https://www.montegeneroso.ch opening date is April 8th... Also, the railway is modernised / rebuild; or is still in pre-2014 condition?
thnx & regards toma


Re: Monte Generoso

OL.Guerbetal
 

Am 31.03.2017 um 22:20 schrieb chris_j_wood@yahoo.com [SwissRail]:
Today's Railways Europe is reporting that the Ferrovia Monte Generoso
is to reopen on the 8th of April, having been closed since the end of
its 2014 operating seasob, whilst the summit complex was rebuilt.
Official opening was on 29th March

<http://www.luzernerzeitung.ch/nachrichten/panorama/Neues-Wahrzeichen-fuer-das-Suedtessin;art9645,999923>

<https://www.srf.ch/news/panorama/auf-dem-monte-generoso-blueht-nun-eine-steinblume>

Markus, Gürbetal


Monte Generoso

Chris Wood
 

Apologies if this is old news, but I don't recall seeing it here. Today's Railways Europe is reporting that the Ferrovia Monte Generoso is to reopen on the 8th of April, having been closed since the end of its 2014 operating seasob, whilst the summit complex was rebuilt.


Re: Stanserhornbahn Funicular - the 2 abandoned upper sections.

OL.Guerbetal
 

Not all very recent but always an important source of information about cable transport:
<http://www.funimag.com/funimag01/stanser01.htm>
<http://www.funimag.com/suisse/stanser01.htm>
<http://www.funimag.com/photoblog/index.php/20120120/bientot-le-cabrio/>

Markus, G�rbetal


Stanserhornbahn Funicular - the 2 abandoned upper sections.

Christopher
 

Hello all.


As I am spending a week in Weggis in early July this year, I am thinking of taking a one-way trip up the Stanserhorn and then walking back down, specifically to try and trace the 2 abandoned upper sections of the Stanserhornbahn Funicular, between Kalti, Blumatt and Stanserhorn Kulm. From the Swisstopo aerial photo map I can clearly see much of the top section, especially that the main footpath down the mountain runs alongside part of the funicular track near the old Blumatt interchange station.


It would also appear that much of the funicular's track is still in situ, albeit rusted from long disuse. Is this the case, and just how much of the top and middle sections can be seen on the ground?


Is there anywhere online where I could find photos of the 2 abandoned funicular sections as they look now?


Chris


Re: 436 112 [was Cargo Re 4/4 II stored ]

Martin Baumann
 

WRS posted a message yesterday about 430 112: It is currently being used for cereal trains from St Margrethen to Basel. They intend to repaint the loco blue in due course.


They will be leasing three more Re 430 from April 1st but they do not specifiy if this will be the remaining three ex RM locos currently being used by SBB-C.

( https://www.facebook.com/widmer.rail.services/ can be read without login )


Lausanne Depot

John Lovda
 

I am just curious to know what has been built at the site of the old Lausanne Depot? Last June demolition crews had just cleared the land.


John


https://www.flickr.com/photos/79976134@N07/27437737490/in/album-72157673186885585/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/79976134@N07/27437737490/in/album-72157673186885585/


15:48 train from Bern

Guerbetaler
 


Re: Derailment in Bern

OL.Guerbetal
 

Am 29.03.2017 um 23:42 schrieb Markus guerbetaler@sunrise.ch :
Derailed unit is 525 015
Derailed with bogies 4 and 5 (of 5), apparently due to a defective
point. The train could stop before the second unit, 525 016 came to that
point. NINA 16 was moved away at 15:23. Staff of the Swiss
Transportation Safety Investigation Board had then been on the site.
I was in Bern station because I wanted to take the 15:48 steam train to Spiez. As I was early, I had time to take some pictures of the derailment. They all come in original resolution.

<https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Bern_2017_train_derailment>

In picture 253 you can see the defective point.

Markus


Re: Derailment in Bern

Guerbetaler
 

Derailed unit is 525 015
Derailed with bogies 4 and 5 (of 5), apparently due to a defective point. The train could stop before the second unit, 525 016 came to that point. NINA 16 was moved away at 15:23. Staff of the Swiss Transportation Safety Investigation Board had then been on the site.

Markus

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