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Re: MGB collision in Andermatt

John Lovda
 

If the locomotive stops and then reverses direction the driver is dependent on either his rear view mirror or a worker on the ground with a radio.

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Re: MGB collision in Andermatt

OL.Guerbetal
 

Am 13.09.2017 um 10:45 schrieb amogles@yahoo.com [SwissRail]:
Surely during shunting moves, the driver is required to use his eyes
and observe the positions of points. So even if the dispatcher says
the points are set for track 2, the driver should not take his word
for it
The Swiss rulebook "FDV" says something else:

R 300.3
9.4.2 Anforderung und Zustimmung für Rangierbewegungen

Wenn die Zustimmung ohne ortsfeste Signale für Rangierbewegungen
erteilt wird:
– der Fahrdienstleiter hat zuerst den angeforderten Fahrweg herzu-
stellen
– anschliessend quittiert der Fahrdienstleiter die Anforderung voll-
ständig und erteilt gleichzeitig die Zustimmung mit dem Wort
«eingestellt»
– kann der angeforderte Fahrweg nicht sofort eingestellt werden,
hat der Fahrdienstleiter mit dem Wort «warten» die Begründung
einzuleiten. Die Anforderung des Fahrwegs darf vom Fahrdienst-
leiter in diesem Falle nicht wiederholt werden, weil dies irrtüm-
lich als Zustimmung aufgefasst werden könnte.


So, the engineer has to ask for its way. The dispatcher has to set the points and must communicate "eingestellt" = set

If he is not able to set the points, he must communicate "warten" = wait.

Markus, Gürbetal

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Re: MGB collision in Andermatt

tudor erich
 

On Wednesday, September 13, 2017 9:54 AM, "amogles@yahoo.com wrote:
Surely during shunting moves, the driver is required to use his eyes and observe the
positions of points. So even if the dispatcher says the points are set for track 2, the
driver should not take his word for it, but stop and demand clarification if this appears
not to be the case.
May I just ask if you have observed shunting at Andermatt? It may be far simpler in your view than the reality of a very difficult environment with very intense periods of work. Very often coaches are added at Andermatt which means the driver of a train arriving loses sight of the track ahead as the new vehicles are in the way.

Bernard


Re: MGB collision in Andermatt

Andrew Moglestue
 

---In SwissRail@yahoogroups.com, <muesche2-swissrail@...> wrote : > - the dispatcher said go although the point was not set to track 1


Surely during shunting moves, the driver is required to use his eyes and observe the positions of
points. So even if the dispatcher says the points are set for track 2, the driver should not take his
word for it, but stop and demand clarification if this appears not to be the case.


Re: MGB collision in Andermatt

George Raymond
 

Am 12.09.2017 um 08:39 schrieb 'George Raymond':
This is the MGB's third accident in a year at Andermatt
If there would be any connection between the incidents apart from the geographical one, o.k., but >the first two were insufficient brakes of the Tm 4971-72 and nobody was in the vehicles. So >something far different.
Moreover these events were on 01.09.2016 and 28.11.2016, so it's even more than a year...
But searching the sensation makes facts unimportant.
Markus, Gürbetal
OK, I'll correct my statement to "This the MGB's third accident in 13 months in Andermatt".

That's a fact worth mentioning.

George


Re: MGB collision in Andermatt

OL.Guerbetal
 

Am 12.09.2017 um 08:39 schrieb 'George Raymond':
This is the MGB's third accident in a year at Andermatt
If there would be any connection between the incidents apart from the geographical one, o.k., but the first two were insufficient brakes of the Tm 4971-72 and nobody was in the vehicles. So something far different.

Moreover these events were on 01.09.2016 and 28.11.2016, so it's even more than a year...

But searching the sensation makes facts unimportant.

Markus, Gürbetal

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Re: MGB collision in Andermatt

OL.Guerbetal
 

Am 12.09.2017 um 01:16 schrieb jlovda@yahoo.com [SwissRail]:
Who controls the switches at the station?
The dispatcher. So you can chose from:
- the dispatcher said go although the point was not set to track 1
- the dispatcher said wait and the engineer understood go
- the dispatcher said go but to a different train
- the engineer thought he was allowed to go

Maybe there are even more variants...

Markus, Gürbetal


Re: FART headon collision

Martin Baumann
 

After this collision the undamaged ends of the two units were put together as 52 (ABe 53 and Be 52) while the damaged vehicles have recently returned to service as 53


Re: MGB collision in Andermatt

glenn allen
 

On Tuesday, 12 September 2017, 2:32, Markus wrote:
Today at about half past eleven HGe 4/4" 5, <snip>

Normal practice seems to be that the driver stays in the same cab (the rear when they are running back round the train) using side mirrors to watch the move, I can see this changing with the driver required to change ends or the shunter required to ride on the front footstep, or even in the cab with radio communication with the driver and, if in the cab, access to the emergency brake.


Re: MGB collision in Andermatt

George Raymond
 

This is the MGB's third accident in a year at Andermatt:

http://www.luzernerzeitung.ch/nachrichten/zentralschweiz/uri/Erneut-macht-sich-die-Lok-selbststaendig;art9652,996656

George


Re: Locomotive photography near Erstfeld.

gordonwis
 

(1) Erstfeld and the Gotthard mountain route is now completely dead for freight on a normal day, as has been discussed on this and other forums many times over the past year. Erstfeld feels almost like an abandoned wild west movie set.

There are a few possible viewpoints around the Rynächt site, which is accessible using the Fluelen Gruonbach - Göschenen bus, which also gets you to photo spots in Fluelen, BTW

(2) Few people would recognise the phrase "huge freight terminal at Dietikon". I recommend you use the well-known official title Rangierbahnhof Limmattal (RBL).

The classic place to photograph trains arriving and leaving RBL is Killwangen Spreitenbach station, where trains approach from the west from three different routes. You can see the junction from the platform so you know which way a freight had come from (Heitersberg, Baden or Otelfingen) . Most then climb up the double track ramp up to the flyover which takes freights from north to south side of the main line.
There are also two road bridges with pavements (sidewalks) and a footbridge over the yard.

(3)
There are hundreds of photo locations at stations or on roads and paths easily walkable from stations on the whole of the Gotthard route from Basel to Chiasso.
Immediately north and south of the base tunnel, Fluelen is the obvious place, some locations have been ruined by sound barriers but Altdorf and Sisikon (just about) are OK. Industriestrasse 20 mins north of Brunnen is nice. In Ticino, Castione Arbedo is OK and Giubiasco station is very open.

May I humbly suggest that you do your own research. Sattelite, and now street view, imagery is now available for most places and is an easy way to get an idea of how good a location will be. google maps gives you walking distances and times.




jlovda wrote:

(1) Since the Gotthard Base Tunnel is now open I assume there is almost no freight
traffic sitting at Erstfeld Is it possible to get close via bus to Rynächt
(2) Is the huge freight terminal at Dietikon the same way?
(3) If anyone has some suggestions for photo locations that do
not require a car or taxi ride,


Re: Locomotive photography near Erstfeld.

csipromo
 

I would apply to the SBB for permission to take photographs on their property and then enquire as to how to gain access to locations not normally open to the public, including depots, marshalling yards, etc.

That permission would probably be granted by somebody at SBB in Bern.
I remember making a request for information in the past and receiving a SBB Calendar along with a nice reply and receiving a matching pen and pencil set from Cisalpino AG when I wrote in with an enquiry about the make up of then newly announced locomotive pulled consists.
Hopefully you will find somebody like that who can help you.


Regards


Mike C


Re: MGB collision in Andermatt

John Lovda
 

I don'r know railroad lingo but the locomotive was disconnected from the train, went forward through the switch, the switch should have then changed positions for the locomotive to go back around the train to the other end. Who controls the switches at the station?


MGB collision in Andermatt

OL.Guerbetal
 

Today at about half past eleven HGe 4/4" 5, coming from Disentis, should run round its train after having arrived on track 2. But instead of going to track 1 it went straight on back to its train where it pushed into B 2284. Around 100 passengers, among them 65 pupils, had already boarded the train at that moment. Result was around 30 injuries. No damage can be seen on the rolling stock. Speed of the locomotive was indicated with between 15 and 20 km/h.

<http://www.tagblatt.ch/nachrichten/panorama/27-verletzte-bei-bahnunfall-in-andermatt;art253654,5082724>

<http://www.luzernerzeitung.ch/nachrichten/zentralschweiz/uri/bahnunfall-mit-mehreren-verletzten-in-andermatt;art97,1100177>

<https://www.blick.ch/news/schweiz/zugkollision-der-matterhorn-gotthard-bahn-27-fahrgaeste-in-andermatt-verletzt-id7293913.html>

Markus, Gürbetal

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MGB collision in Andermatt

Guerbetaler
 

Today at about half past eleven HGe 4/4" 5, coming from Disentis, should run round its train after having arrived on track 2. But instead of going to track 1 it went straight on back to its train where it pushed into B 2284. Around 100 passengers, among them 65 pupils, had already boarded the train at that moment. Result was around 30 injuries. No damage can be seen on the rolling stock. Speed of the locomotive was indicated with between 15 and 20 km/h.

<http://www.tagblatt.ch/nachrichten/panorama/27-verletzte-bei-bahnunfall-in-andermatt;art253654,5082724>

<http://www.luzernerzeitung.ch/nachrichten/zentralschweiz/uri/bahnunfall-mit-mehreren-verletzten-in-andermatt;art97,1100177>

<https://www.blick.ch/news/schweiz/zugkollision-der-matterhorn-gotthard-bahn-27-fahrgaeste-in-andermatt-verletzt-id7293913.html>

Markus, Gürbetal

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Re: Locomotive photography near Erstfeld.

Andrew Moglestue
 

Concerning the freight yard near Dietikon, actually called Rangierbahnhof Limmattal, or RBL for short, there are various locations from which you can see and photograph the activity. For e4xample there is a footbridge crossing the yard which you can reach by walking from Killwangen Spreitenbach station.


Locomotive photography near Erstfeld.

John Lovda
 

I'm going back to Switzerland in a few weeks for another one week photo trip. Since the Gotthard Base Tunnel is now open I assume there is almost no freight traffic sitting at Erstfeld and it has all moved to Rynächt. Is it possible to get close via bus to Rynächt or is it closed off from viewing, even through a fence? Is the huge freight terminal at Dietikon the same way? What about Chaisso? The Lausanne depot is gone to. I tried sending e-mails to the Depot G address and a Swiss friend called and left messages but I never got a response, one way or the other. On my last trip I saw that extremely high chainlink and clear plastic fences were erected on the north side of the Brig depot (by the river).


If anyone has some suggestions for photo locations that do not require a car or taxi ride, I would appreciate a private message or e-mail me at jlovda@yahoo.com.


Thanks,
John


Re: BLS wants to re-enter long-distance traffic

OL.Guerbetal
 

BLS announced today that they apply for a long-distance passenger
concession for the following lines:
Basel - Bern - Brig/Interlaken Ost
RE Bern - Olten
RE Bern - Biel
RE Bern - Neuchâtel - Le Locle
RE Bern - Neuchâtel - La Chaux-de-Fonds is now a BLS concession but it has been decided that there will no longer be a subsidy for this line. This is why BLS /needs/ something like Basel - Brig/Interlaken to allow for a positive result. The idea of long-distance concessions is to contain a bundle of lines which allow to run them without subsidies. But it is not normally possible to take out one line, either the profits would be too high or there would be losses.

Apart from BLS also SOB was interested in operating long distance lines. But they don't apply for an own concession as they found an agreement with SBB to operate trains over the old Gotthard line and some others.

Markus, Gürbetal

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Re: Spartagestkarte.

Guerbetaler
 

Am 01.09.2017 um 11:46 schrieb Krist van Besien:
Now it is September. And I am not seeing any hints of this Spartageskarte
anywhere. What is going on?
AFAIK there was no announcement that they appear on 1st of September. It still is September and they have appeared now:
<https://www.sbb.ch/de/abos-billette/billette-schweiz/tageskarten/spartageskarte.html?tracking-marketingurl=spartageskarte>

Markus, Gürbetal

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Re: Spartagestkarte.

csipromo
 

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