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Re: Gornergrat blockage

Jonathan Marten
 

"jlovda@yahoo.com [SwissRail]" <SwissRail@yahoogroups.com> writes:
I just saw a story on CNN saying that tourists at Zermatt had to
airlifted by helicopter because of blocked tracks. Was this the
Gornergrat line or the MGB line? The picture don't tell much.
That video doesn't show much of interest either, but all of the blocked
track and station pictures that I've seen show the main line (with red
MGB trains). There's no indication as to whether the Gornergrat line
(brown trains) is running, although if the ski areas are closed due to
avalanches then it seems unlikely.

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Jonathan Marten http://www.keelhaul.me.uk
Twickenham, UK jjm2@keelhaul.me.uk


Re: Gornergrat blockage

gordonwis
 

On Wed, 10/1/18, jlovda@yahoo.com wrote: Was this the Gornergrat line or the MGB line? The picture don't tell much.

Hi John,

You wouldn't normally have to airlift people off the Gornergrat area. The news pictures mainly featured people wanting to get away from the resort with their baggage and kit after their normal departure was prevented by the Visp - Zermatt line and road being closed by the heavy snow,


Re: Gornergrat blockage

racksteam
 

Zermatt was cut off by heavy snow so it was the MGB line. Trains resumed yesterday, Wednesday.


https://www.thelocal.ch/20180110/trains-resume-service-in-snowbound-swiss-ski-resort https://www.thelocal.ch/20180110/trains-resume-service-in-snowbound-swiss-ski-resort



Pete Arnold (UK)


Gornergrat blockage

John Lovda
 

I just saw a story on CNN saying that tourists at Zermatt had to airlifted by helicopter because of blocked tracks. Was this the Gornergrat line or the MGB line? The picture don't tell much.


http://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2018/01/10/zermatt-snow-airlifts-alps-sje-lon-orig.cnn/video/playlists/cant-miss/ http://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2018/01/10/zermatt-snow-airlifts-alps-sje-lon-orig.cnn/video/playlists/cant-miss/



John


Re: Freight on the Gotthard route

OL.Guerbetal
 

Am 10.01.2018 um 02:09 schrieb Gordon Wiseman:
Tellbus (KBS 60.493) direct to Luzern via the A2 Motorway along the
south side of the lake, thus giving views you wouldn't otherwise get
However, quite a bit is in the Seelisberg tunnel

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If your trip coincides with something interesting over the top (eg
VSOE) then Bus 1 will also get you direct from your hotel to the
Wassen loops photo spots.
... and of course it will also get you to the starting point of the Schöllenen Bahn (MGB)!

Markus, Gürbetal


Re4/4s 10th January

John_Janet Cottrell
 

A few Re4/4 spots from today:
11112 IR2281 17:47 Basel to Zürich (2nd loco)
11134 IR2277 15:47 Basel to Zürich (2nd loco)
11139 IR2273 15:09 Zürich to Basel
11141 IC772 13:00 Zürich to Basel
11149 unknown arrival in Zürich HB platform 9 at 19:08.
11153 IC775 14:07 Basel to Zürich
11156 IR2277 15:47 Basel to Zürich (leading loco)
420 202 19964 16:51 Effretikon to Koblenz (rear loco)
420 211 19967 17:02 Koblenz to Pfäffikon (rear loco)
420 213 19967 17:02 Koblenz to Pfäffikon (leading loco)
420 214 19964 16:51 Effretikon to Koblenz (leading loco)
11303 IR2281 17:47 Basel to Zürich (leading loco)
421 383 EC195 13:09 Zürich to Lindau
421 392 EC194 14:54 Lindau to Zürich

JandJ


Re: Widmer Rail buys 421s

John Beaulieu
 

Well the Betweroute and the Havenlijn are equipped with ETCS, so if that is
the only part of the Netherlands served you could eliminate one system.

John Beaulieu

On Tue, Jan 9, 2018 at 1:26 PM, 'George Raymond' geor@bluewin.ch
[SwissRail] <SwissRail@yahoogroups.com> wrote:



-----Original Message-----
From: SwissRail@yahoogroups.com [mailto:SwissRail@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 9, 2018 8:07 PM
To: SwissRail@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [SwissRail] Re: Widmer Rail buys 421s

Am 07.01.2018 um 23:15 schrieb 'George Raymond':
Will the ability of new locomotives to operate with more and more
national signalling systems ultimately kill the case for ETCS?
I think it is the other way round: It is thanks to ETCS that locomotives
for so many countries at the same time are available at all. For 2018 there
are still three lines where you still need Signum, for all other lines ETCS
will do. The trhee remaining lines will be converted untill the end of this
year. In other words: A locomotive allowed to operate in Switzerland isn't
empowered for a national Swiss signalling system. It just has to come with
ETCS.

Markus, Gürbetal
But isn't Switzerland still an exception in this? Doesn't a locomotive
good for NL/BE/DE/CH/IT still have to be equipped with NL/BE/DE/IT national
systems in addition to ETCS?

George



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Re: Freight on the Gotthard route

csipromo
 

I noticed a Konditorei in the rear of the photo. Always worth checking out. How far can you go from Zug and still get a good Zuger Kirschtorte?


Regards


Mike C


Re: Freight on the Gotthard route

gordonwis
 

That is correct, although 'small square' could be said to be an understatement! As a tourist one would struggle to find a more iconic Swiss location, it being the square containing the William Tell monument, in a place called 'old village'!
On the face of it the hotel you have chosen looks very nice, and ideal if one is not wedded to the idea of using just trains, especially as the bus stop there (Telldenkmal) is something of a nodal point for bus services.
You will have a choice of using:
Bus 2 Kursbuch Nr (KBS) 60.402 to Altdorf station (or the slightly slower and less direct Bus 3 (60.403)
Bus 1 (KBS 60.401) Fluelen - Altdorf - Erstfeld - Wassen - Göschenen
Tellbus (KBS 60.493) direct to Luzern via the A2 Motorway along the south side of the lake, thus giving views you wouldn't otherwise get if travelling without your own car.
I suspect it will be more expedient to use Bus 1 to go to Fluelen as by the time you have gone down to Altdorf station and changed onto the Flirt, Bus 1 will have got you to Fluelen where faster trains call (including occasional base tunnel trains with careful planning).
Similarly you may as well go to Erstfeld on bus 1.
If your trip coincides with something interesting over the top (eg VSOE) then Bus 1 will also get you direct from your hotel to the Wassen loops photo spots.
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Re: Freight on the Gotthard route

Andrew
 

Thanks Markus, that's a lovely picture of the centre of Altdorf, I remember it well. Maybe my memory is not so bad after all !

Andy


Re: Widmer Rail buys 421s

George Raymond
 

-----Original Message-----
From: SwissRail@yahoogroups.com [mailto:SwissRail@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 9, 2018 8:07 PM
To: SwissRail@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [SwissRail] Re: Widmer Rail buys 421s

Am 07.01.2018 um 23:15 schrieb 'George Raymond':
Will the ability of new locomotives to operate with more and more
national signalling systems ultimately kill the case for ETCS?
I think it is the other way round: It is thanks to ETCS that locomotives for so many countries at the same time are available at all. For 2018 there are still three lines where you still need Signum, for all other lines ETCS will do. The trhee remaining lines will be converted untill the end of this year. In other words: A locomotive allowed to operate in Switzerland isn't empowered for a national Swiss signalling system. It just has to come with ETCS.
Markus, Gürbetal
But isn't Switzerland still an exception in this? Doesn't a locomotive good for NL/BE/DE/CH/IT still have to be equipped with NL/BE/DE/IT national systems in addition to ETCS?

George


Re: Widmer Rail buys 421s

OL.Guerbetal
 

Am 07.01.2018 um 23:15 schrieb 'George Raymond':
Will the ability of new locomotives to operate with more and more national
signalling systems ultimately kill the case for ETCS?
I think it is the other way round: It is thanks to ETCS that locomotives for so many countries at the same time are available at all. For 2018 there are still three lines where you still need Signum, for all other lines ETCS will do. The trhee remaining lines will be converted untill the end of this year. In other words: A locomotive allowed to operate in Switzerland isn't empowered for a national Swiss signalling system. It just has to come with ETCS.

Markus, Gürbetal


Re: Freight on the Gotthard route

OL.Guerbetal
 

Am 09.01.2018 um 19:50 schrieb muffcj@yahoo.co.uk [SwissRail]:
If my memory is correct, I believe there is a small square with
beautifully painted buildings in the background and possibly a water
fountain at the point where i will get on and off the bus for the
hotel.
<http://www.altdorf.ch/de/images/40d0acddba5d3.jpg?jsWidth=590&jsHeight=397>

:-)


Re: Freight on the Gotthard route

Andrew
 

Thanks Marcus, that is very useful information. I have used the local buses (Auto AG ) in that area on previous visits. If my memory is correct, I believe there is a small square with beautifully painted buildings in the background and possibly a water fountain at the point where i will get on and off the bus for the hotel.

Andy


Re: Freight on the Gotthard route

OL.Guerbetal
 

Am 08.01.2018 um 01:12 schrieb Gordon Wiseman:
I also spotted a good rated hotel at Sins, which is north of Rotkreuz on the Wohlen line.
... which is "only" one and a half hour from the GBT portal (Rynächt) and requires a ridiculous few times changing trains in Rotkreuz, Zug, Arth-Goldau and (to the bus) in Flüelen or Erstfeld.

What I want to say: It depends on what you want to see and how much time you want to spend travelling.

Markus, Gürbetal


Re: Freight on the Gotthard route

gordonwis
 

Central Altdorf to station is 1.1km - so about 15 - 20 minutes walk I'd say. But remember, most people won't do that because Altdorf is on the direct Fluelen Gruonbach - Fluelen - Altdorf - Erstfeld - Wassen - Göschenen bus which runs direct along the Gotthard road without deviating - so is a good effiicient service , and of course it is the 'bustitute' service for the intermediate stations that were closed in the 1990s. There are benefits to staying in a nice village like Altdorf of course, so it depends if you want to view trains all the time (hence Fluelen suggestions regardless of 'reviews') or see the train one you get to the railway.


Re: Freight on the Gotthard route

OL.Guerbetal
 

Am 08.01.2018 um 14:30 schrieb muffcj@yahoo.co.uk [SwissRail]:
asking the walking time to the hotel and I know there is a bus
service which might will almost certainly link the bahnhof with the
town centre
"Altdorf UR, Telldenkmal" is the stop in the town centre and you will find there the lines 2 and 3 going to Altdorf UR railway station (distance about 1 km) at ..30 and ..58 until 19:00 (and then always ..28). But you also have the choice to take bus line 1 going down till Flüelen, Gruonbach (that's where the railway disappears into the tunnels towards Brunnen) or up to the the GBT portal, Erstfeld and Göschenen with many intermediate stops

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Markus, Gürbetal


Re: New Bombardier trains approved by BAV

Martin Baumann
 

SBB have accepted the first four sets from Bombardier: 205 207 402 405


11128

Martin Baumann
 

11128 1507 ex Basel 1700 ex Zurich today vice ICE


Re: Freight on the Gotthard route

Andrew
 

Thanks Gordon and everybody else who has been so kind giving suggestions regards accommodation. I'm in two minds now and I'm so grateful to Markus for being able to get comments from his local contacts who confirm that the hotel I've already booked in Altdorf is of a reasonable standard .I therefore wonder if I should go with my first instincts and stick with the hotel Schlussel in Altdorf. I take Gordon's point about it being a good walk from the train station and I have sent an email.mail to the hotel asking the walking time to the hotel and I know there is a bus service which might will almost certainly link the bahnhof with the town centre........." I used to be indecisive but now I'm not so sure " ! ! !

Andy

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