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Re: RhB Historic Trains - How to tell if Crocodile?

glenn allen
 

During the period 19th to 29th June the expected loco is a Ge4/4I, as per the info on the website.
https://www.rhb.ch/de/erlebniswelt-bahn/dampf-nostalgiefahrten/historische-fahrten
The historic train compositions operate between Davos Platz and Filisur twice per day according to the timetable. Changes to the train composition are reserved. A use of the locomotive Ge 4/4 I (BoBo 1) is partially possible (expected on 15 and 19 - 29 June 2018


Re: RhB Historic Trains - How to tell if Crocodile?

Martin Baumann
 

The RhB website now says Ge 4/4 I until 29.06 inclusive


Re: BLS 515 units

Martin Baumann
 

5 of the 8 units will be six car sets


Hupac 193 Vectron

csipromo
 

I noticed today that Railcolor.net is reporting that Hupac locomotives 193 490 and 491 have been leased to BLS Cargo.
Are they being used for Hupac trains operated by BLSC or are they in general use with any BLS operation?
The locomotives still have not received the Hupac markings according to the last photos that I saw.

Regards

Mike C


Re: RhB in next decade

gordonwis
 

In terms of infrastructure, the new double track sections don't make a huge difference, they just continue the policy of having more double track sections, and 'extended loops' all of which help to keep existing trains on time (as can be witnessed at Thusis and Filisur).

The Hinterrheinbrucke doubling eliminates the single track bottleneck between Reichenau Tamins and the split of the Disentis and Thusis lines which has the obvious benefit of 'keeping the two routes apart' and thus easing conflicts in the area.

The Bever - Samedan doubling will have a similar effect with Albula line and the Engadine line, so for example the superb parade of trains both ways I have photographed at Bever on three occasions over the last 2 years (8 trains 11.16 - 12.16) would not be like it is now when each one has to wait for the next and 'lowest priority' (in this case the Albula tunnel freight feeder with Ge4/4I) sits patiently at Samedan awaiting for a path .

The Sils extension will help crossing trains keep to time as the existing extended loop at the Sils end of Thusis even now doesn't always keep trains on time


Re: RhB in next decade

Guerbetaler
 

Am 24.06.2018 um 17:26 schrieb Heléna Moretti via Groups.Io:
but the plan ultimately will be to have all passenger services in the
hands of units, including the Glacier Express, eventually.
MGB is starting a modernization program to maintain 9 HGe 4/4" for another 20 or 30 years. Nine units cover the needs of GEX, car shuttle trains and Zermatt freights.

Markus


Re: RhB in next decade

Guerbetaler
 

Am 24.06.2018 um 10:42 schrieb Toma Bacic:
First of all, what rolling stock will disappear and which loco-hauled
services will survive. When the RTZ Capricorn EMUs will be
delivered?
It is necessary to think in different categories here. Basically all trains will be fixed units consisting of EMUs or of locomotive plus coaches and driving trailer. Additional coaches will include a driving trailer. Exceptions will be the Bernina line and the Glacier Express. On the Albula line, a Ge 4/4 III and an Allegra roughly pull the same load. But on the Bernina line in 7% grades the Allegras have a clear advantage with 8 motorized axles.

loco hauled: GEX (Ge 4/4")
EMU hauled: Bernina, including BEX (Allegra)
units: all other lines (Capricorn, Allegra, Allegra + driving trailer,
Ge 4/4 III + driving trailer, Ge 4/4 II + driving trailer

Only Ge 4/4 II of the second series get the necessary equipment to work dual braked trains. So we must think of Ge 4/4" 611-620 as freight locomotives or even as surplus equipment. It will be interesting to see, if 701-707 will be replaced by 611-620 or not. From an energetic point of view, 701-707 are better! Other surplus equipent includes the 511-516 EMUs and all EW I. It was thought to keep the short EW I but it seems that they encounter the problems we heard of Aluminum coaches elsewhere. All short EW II, EW III, EW IV and Panoramas are needed for pulled consists over the Bernina. The long EW II and EW IV, the Alvras, the 14 new driving trailers and low floor driving trailers 1751-58 are the equipment used together with Ge 4/4 II, III and Allegras.

Also, where the frequency of the services will be increased; and by
which rolling stock?
The number of EMUs on order includes those needed for half hourly services.

Finally, how the infrastructure improvements (doubling Thusis – Sils
and Bever – Samedan, new Hinterrheinbrücke, new Albula tunnel) will
affect the services?
These improvements are necessary to reach a better stability of the
timetable, which is the starting point to introduce half hourly service.
Some additional investments may be necessary. But by introducing train
splitting in Klosters, the number of trains between Landquart and
Klosters will not increase, avoiding some investments in infrastructure.

Markus, Gürbetal


Re: RhB in next decade

Heléna Moretti
 

Hello Toma,

First of all, what rolling stock will disappear and which loco-hauled services will survive.

Over the next ten years we have a clear idea that some services are destined to become multiple units. Disentis-Chur-Scuol Tarasp will be a great loss and in the short term whilst units are delivered, there will be a mix of loco-hauled (like on the Landquart-Davos services) but eventually it will all be units. The Chur-St Moritz may retain some hauled sets for longer but the plan ultimately will be to have all passenger services in the hands of units, including the Glacier Express, eventually.

Infrastructure improvements to the Chur-St Moritz line may allow twice hourly services to commence in peak times. Initially, some of these may be loco-hauled but the inevitable progression is towards all units. In terms of the locomotive fleet, the surviving Ge4/4’ will be the first to go followed by the older batch of Ge4/4” and Ge6/6”. I expect in 10 years the Ge4/4”’ will be the only locomotives with regular passenger work and there will be a small fleet of Ge4/4” for freight with a sizeable amount of freight handled by Allegra units.

I hate it, but economics and customer expectations will drive it that way.

Regards
Helena

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From: Toma Bacic
Sent: 24 June 2018 11:25
To: SwissRail@groups.io
Subject: [SwissRail] RhB in next decade

Hello all!
I am contemplating about the RhB in next decade: the infrastructure, the
services and the rolling stock. First of all, what rolling stock will
disappear and which loco-hauled services will survive. When the RTZ
Capricorn EMUs will be delivered?

Also, where the frequency of the services will be increased; and by which
rolling stock?

Finally, how the infrastructure improvements (doubling Thusis – Sils and
Bever – Samedan, new Hinterrheinbrücke, new Albula tunnel) will affect the
services?

Any details? Thank you and regards…!
Toma



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RhB in next decade

Toma Bacic
 

Hello all!
I am contemplating about the RhB in next decade: the infrastructure, the
services and the rolling stock. First of all, what rolling stock will
disappear and which loco-hauled services will survive. When the RTZ
Capricorn EMUs will be delivered?

Also, where the frequency of the services will be increased; and by which
rolling stock?

Finally, how the infrastructure improvements (doubling Thusis – Sils and
Bever – Samedan, new Hinterrheinbrücke, new Albula tunnel) will affect the
services?

Any details? Thank you and regards…!
Toma



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::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::+385 (0) 98 81 55 61
::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::Zagreb


Re: RhB Historic Trains - How to tell if Crocodile?

gordonwis
 

No it is not possible.
A croc is not guaranteed I'm afraid, as has been mentioned on this group in the recent past, but as a reminder, here is a heads up regarding RhB Croc (Ge6/6I) workings:

Essentially, none are guaranteed.

Firstly it is worth remembering that since the demise of 412 10 years ago, there are only two operable Crocs surviving to choose from and they are old, high maintenance machines and are indeed pulled out for maintenance quite regularly. The latest list suggests 415 may be sidelined for some time, leaving only 414 in use, as 415 was listed as 'out of service for revision' as at 12 June 2018

And a personal experience from last August (2017), a Croc turn that was officially re-advertised by RhB as Ge4/4I due to the aforementioned regular maintenance of the Croc actually turned up as a Ge6/6II

Beware also the subtleties of the diagramming and advertising, viz:

The Albula Experience train website blurb does not specifically mention Croc haulage (only the 'library picture' shows a Croc).

The new Davos - Filisur regular trains are like a 'plandampf' - and the Croc is (theoretically) booked - Turn 901 in the RhB loco diagrams (though again, the diagrams show 'Historische Lok' not specifically Croc).

The Albula Experience seems to be categorised as a 'special' so not shown in the loco diagrams, hence the possibility of any loco being put out.


RhB Historic Trains - How to tell if Crocodile?

co90221
 

I was planning to ride the historic train on the RhB this Sunday the 24th, but I see now their website says it is possible the train my instead be pulled by a Ge 4/4 I. Is it possible to know in advance which locomotive will be pulling the train?

Thank you,

Adam


Re: 502s to Geneva

Thomas
 

Extra trains for the Pope's visit to Geneva.

Rgds, Thomas.


502s to Geneva

Martin Baumann
 

502 205+502 207 worked 30764 09:40 Zürich-Geneva Airport today.

There they were split. One will return on 30779 19:47 ex Geneva Airport and the other on 30783 20:24 ex Geneva Airport.

These are additional public passenger trains and also the first time 502s have been in passenger service on the Olten-Bern NBS


BLS 515 units

Martin Baumann
 

BLS intend to exercise options for an additional 8 515 units to be used between Bern and Biel and Bern-Burgdorf-Olten from December 2019 when they will replace SBB as the operator on RE trains

http://www.bahnonline.ch/bo/41169/die-bls-bedient-ab-dezember-2019-zwei-fernverkehrslinien.htm (German)


FLP

Martin Baumann
 

FLP have ordered 9 Tramlink units from Stadler, with an option for a further 3.

The option is for the proposed Lugano Tram while the firm order will replace their existing EMU sets

http://flpsa.ch/sul-binario-verso-il-futuro-tolto-il-velo-ai-nuovi-convogli-flp/
and
http://flpsa.ch/index/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/Comunicato-stampa-FLP-nuovo-materiale-rotabile.pdf
(Italian)


Re: RhB Photo Locations Guide?

Guerbetaler
 

Am 19.06.2018 um 16:19 schrieb Chris Wood via Groups.Io:
There is a small map after both photographs. If you click on 'view
larger map' this opens out into Google Maps with the location
tagged.
Forget about Google! They ignore railways.

Better take the official Swiss maps map.geo.admin.ch or open streetamp.

<https://map.geo.admin.ch/?lang=de&topic=ech&bgLayer=ch.swisstopo.pixelkarte-farbe&layers=ch.swisstopo.zeitreihen,ch.bfs.gebaeude_wohnungs_register,ch.bav.haltestellen-oev,ch.swisstopo.swisstlm3d-wanderwege&layers_visibility=false,false,false,false&layers_timestamp=18641231,,,&E=2774817&N=1174633&zoom=13&crosshair=marker>

Markus


Re: RhB Photo Locations Guide?

Guerbetaler
 

Am 19.06.2018 um 09:43 schrieb Clive Dean:
And the location is ...?
Please read the caption. It's in English!

Markus, Gürbetal


Re: RhB Photo Locations Guide?

Chris Wood
 

There is a small map after both photographs. If you click on 'view larger map' this opens out into Google Maps with the location tagged.


Re: RhB Photo Locations Guide?

Clive Dean
 

And the location is ...?


Re: RhB Photo Locations Guide?

gordonwis
 

On Mon, 18/6/18, Guerbetaler <guerbetaler@sunrise.ch> wrote:
I think Georg Trüb found a very special photo location here:
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Indeed he did. Excellent!

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