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Re: Status of BLS Cargo locomotives (leased)

gordonwis
 

193 490 although owned by Hupac, this loco carries 'Siemens ownership' D-SIEAG

I've seen a picture of 193 490 hauling the Wetron recently in Germany on its own, so presumably some pairs only join up at Basel Bad or Muttenz


Re: Cargo Re 4/4 II stored

Martin Baumann
 

421 393 is back in service and 421 388 is expected back shortly


Re: Status of BLS Cargo locomotives (leased)

Guerbetaler
 

Am 02.07.2018 um 02:20 schrieb gordonwis via Groups.Io:
193 490 (plain blue) paired with 475 407 (BLSC)
According to Eisenbahn-Amateur, Hupac gives four locomotives to BLSC and four to SBBIN to pull specific trains. It will be interesting to see if these Vectrons may be operated in a pool with BLSC's and SBBIN's own Vectrons or if they have to be in specific diagrams.

Markus, Gürbetal


Re: Status of BLS Cargo locomotives (leased)

gordonwis
 

just back from CH.

full report to follow when I've worked out what was what.

in the meantime,

I dedicated Thursday to the Lotschberg route and saw some BLSC activity on Wed and Fri too.

Of note relating to this discussion were:
193 490 (plain blue) paired with 475 407 (BLSC livery with ice axe picture) on Hupac (I think)

single and pairs of 485 and 486 (as per the 'standard' of recent years)

186 907 (plain white) D-XRail paired with 186 903 D-XRail (white Crossrail livery)

186 105 (Railpool BLSC ice axe) paired with 486 510 BLSC

193 478 + 193 xxx SBBC-I

475 404 on its own on Wetron intermodal

475 409 single Ambrogio (on the Gotthard route)

a pair of UID 475s speeding through Olten


Re: Status of BLS Cargo locomotives (leased)

Ewan Tait
 

On 28 Jun 2018, at 17:37, csipromo via Groups.Io <csipromo=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

RailCare originally had 4 leased Railpool Class 186, most of which were painted in special liveries, named "Flash Fire", "Black Pearl", "Pink Panther" and "Cat's Eye".
The locomotives were transferred to BLS Cargo in return for Re 465 015-018. Those locomotives were given the same names as the leased 186s and were put into use by RailCare. BLS additionally ceded a single Re 4/4 (425) to the Swiss company to compensate for the fifth 186.
[…]
Once delivery of the Rem 476 began, RailCare ended the deal with BLS Cargo and the Re 465 and Re 425 went back to BLSC. The Railpool 186 were returned to RailCare, who immediately returned them to RailPool.
That’s not entirely correct. Although the traction changes were made by mutual consent, the 186s that Railcare originally leased from Railpool, were not sub-leased to BLSC. BLSC leased 465s to Railcare and leased the 186s directly from Railpool.

The four gemstones were:

465 015 and 186 101 “Cat’s Eye"
165 018 and 186 104 “Flash Fire"
486 017 and 186 108 “Pink Panther"
465 016 and 186 109 “Black Pearl”

The fifth 186 was 186 105

Unfortunately I didn’t see 465 015 until after it lost its branding!

I have also seen or photographed various other BLS Re 465s with Railcare trains (cover for maintenance?)

Due to delays in the delivery of the Rem 476, RailCare leased one or two BR 186 from RailPool on short term. I believe that one of the former RailCare locomotives remained in Switzerland and is still being used by BLSC on a short term lease.
186 106, 186 110, 186 446, 186 452, 186 453, 186 454, 187 001 and 187 003 were all leased to Railcare in 2017.

186 106 is back with BLSC.

186 110 was sub-leased to BLSC briefly, but is now by leased by Railpool to LTE.

In addition to the RailCare locomotives, BLSC also leased a number of RailPool locomotives as part of a deal with Lokomotion. BLS Cargo obtained the use of a number of RailPool BR 186 leased to Lokomotion in return for ceding the use of several Re 485 and Re 486. This enabled BLSC to augment the number of NL-DE-CH-AT-I locomotives at it's disposal while Lokomotion could use the Re 485/486 in Germany and Austria (to Brenner).
I was aware that BLS had sub-leased a number of 186s from Lokomotion, but wasn’t of the swap. I had noted an Re 486 in Brenner and wondered why it was there.

A number of the BLS RailPool leased locomotives were repainted in the BLSC Alpine livery with the BLS/ERS "1 Locomotive/4 Countries" slogan.
These locomotives were used for and advertised the joint "Melzo Shuttle", which saw container trains running from Rotterdam NL to Melzo I. The trains were pulled by these BR 186 operated by ERS north of Basel and by BLS to it's destination in Italy. The BLS-ERS cooperation was ended in 2017 and those trains are now operated by other operators north of Basel with SBB or BLSC as Swiss partner. Most of the BR 186 have been returned to RailPool now that the Re 475s are in service, but AFAIK one or two are still retained by BLSC at the moment.
186 101* previously Railcare, then BLSC, now with RCC
186 102 previously Lokomotion, then BLSC, now with LTE
186 103* with BLSC
186 104* previously Railcare, now with BLSC
186 105* previously Railcare, now with BLSC
186 106 previously Lokomotion, now with BLSC and briefly subleased to Railcare during 2017
186 107 previously BLSC, now with RTB
186 108* previously Railcare, now with BLSC
186 109* previously Railcare, now with BLSC
186 110 has been everywhere I think, but currently with LTE

The ones with an asterisk were all in the BLS mountain livery with the ERS branding (I’d never noticed the wording until now, despite photographing all of them!). The locos that are still with BLSC, still carry the livery and branding.

186 103 and 186 104 two weeks ago: https://www.flickr.com/photos/maccookie/41116215460/


As far as the Hupac Vectron. I don't know if these are freely in use by BLSC or whether they are used to pull dedicated Hupac runs by BLSC.
It would seem to me that although Hupac has taken delivery of the locomotives, they might not have completed the staffing and training needed to have their own operators. I would like to read more about how this deal was set up.
The HUPAC 193s have been photographed on a Shuttlewise intermodal.

Cheers,
Ewan


http://ewan.me.uk


Re: FLP

Guerbetaler
 

Am 19.06.2018 um 23:47 schrieb Martin Baumann:
FLP have ordered 9 Tramlink units from Stadler, with an option for a
further 3.
Might be worth saying that these sets only cost CHF 47m or about 5.2m
per set, which is much less than the Tangos. However, motorisation of the AB-Tangos is for grades up to 8%.

I wonder what the life-cycle costs of a Tramlink set will be, compared to a Tango.

Tramlink was developped in Spain, but our newspapers said, that the sets for the FLP will be produced in Switzerland. We will see...

Markus, Gürbetal


AB trains

Guerbetaler
 

Until August all Appenzeller Bahnen services are still in hands of the older rolling stock.

St. Gallen - Appenzell line is temporarily reduced to Teufen - Appenzell which is run with only two trainsets, meeting every half an our in Gais. BDeh 4/4 13, 14 and 15 are on this duty, with one trainset spare at Gais. 11 and 12 have already been sold to the other AB, Austrian Achenseebahn and have been transported to Jenbach. 13-15 and ABt 111-15 will follow.

Gossau - Wasserauen has BDe 4/4 41-45 with ABt 141-45 and all nine EW I 241-46 and 236-238 plus B 296 and ABt 111-112, forming trainsets of 3 to 6 cars depending on the weather. Modern B 247 and 248 are already in the workshop to be adapted to the new Stadler trainsets. So there is a maximum of EW I to be seen at work. At the end of the year, their time will be over.

Starting in August, the "Tangos" 4001-4013/4101-4113 and the "Walzers" 1001-1005 should step in. At least for St. Gallen - Appenzell the old trainsets will be set aside when the tunnel opens on 5th October.

During the general assembly of the company in Appenzell, 1003 and 4003/4103 were on display. Thus, not sure which line will first be Stadlerized. :-)

Markus, Gürbetal


Re: Status of BLS Cargo locomotives (leased)

Guerbetaler
 

Am 27.06.2018 um 17:23 schrieb Ewan Tait:
I am also curious as to what the state of the Class 187s is. Was
there a long term lease or have the BLS now decided that the 187 is
no longer in the cards? 187 006 was working with BLSC last week.
I saw 187 007 in Spiez on 10th June.
Markus


Re: Status of BLS Cargo locomotives (leased)

csipromo
 

RailCare originally had 4 leased Railpool Class 186, most of which were painted in special liveries, named "Flash Fire", "Black Pearl", "Pink Panther" and "Cat's Eye".
The locomotives were transferred to BLS Cargo in return for Re 465 015-018. Those locomotives were given the same names as the leased 186s and were put into use by RailCare. BLS additionally ceded a single Re 4/4 (425) to the Swiss company to compensate for the fifth 186.
The motivation for this swap was that BLS Cargo needed tractive power that could operate in NL-DE-CH-AT-I and RailCare was operating domestically and did not need the international capabilities. In this sense, the deal was of benefit to both companies.
RailCare decided to order a number of Vectron type locomotives, known in Switzerland as Rem 476 because of it's diesel last mile (DPM) capability. The BLS electric only design is known as Re 475.
Once delivery of the Rem 476 began, RailCare ended the deal with BLS Cargo and the Re 465 and Re 425 went back to BLSC. The Railpool 186 were returned to RailCare, who immediately returned them to RailPool. Due to delays in the delivery of the Rem 476, RailCare leased one or two BR 186 from RailPool on short term. I believe that one of the former RailCare locomotives remained in Switzerland and is still being used by BLSC on a short term lease.

In addition to the RailCare locomotives, BLSC also leased a number of RailPool locomotives as part of a deal with Lokomotion. BLS Cargo obtained the use of a number of RailPool BR 186 leased to Lokomotion in return for ceding the use of several Re 485 and Re 486. This enabled BLSC to augment the number of NL-DE-CH-AT-I locomotives at it's disposal while Lokomotion could use the Re 485/486 in Germany and Austria (to Brenner).

A number of the BLS RailPool leased locomotives were repainted in the BLSC Alpine livery with the BLS/ERS "1 Locomotive/4 Countries" slogan.
These locomotives were used for and advertised the joint "Melzo Shuttle", which saw container trains running from Rotterdam NL to Melzo I. The trains were pulled by these BR 186 operated by ERS north of Basel and by BLS to it's destination in Italy. The BLS-ERS cooperation was ended in 2017 and those trains are now operated by other operators north of Basel with SBB or BLSC as Swiss partner. Most of the BR 186 have been returned to RailPool now that the Re 475s are in service, but AFAIK one or two are still retained by BLSC at the moment.

As far as the Hupac Vectron. I don't know if these are freely in use by BLSC or whether they are used to pull dedicated Hupac runs by BLSC.
It would seem to me that although Hupac has taken delivery of the locomotives, they might not have completed the staffing and training needed to have their own operators. I would like to read more about how this deal was set up.

Regards

Mike C


Re: RhB Photo Locations Guide?

gordonwis
 

On Tue, 26/6/18, Chris Wood via Groups.Io <chris_j_wood=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

I appreciate that if he already knows the location he can look that location up on
the SwissTopo maps, and that they do give a better representation of railways.
But that wasn't the question he asked.
To look up the location on Swiss Topo, from a photo on Railpictures.net, one can copy the lat. and long. co-ordinates from the google map on Railpictures, and paste same co-ordinates into Swiss Topo map search


Re: Status of BLS Cargo locomotives (leased)

Ewan Tait
 

On 27 Jun 2018, at 15:53, csipromo via Groups.Io <csipromo=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

I was wondering if somebody could provide more details on the current status of the BLS Cargo fleet of leased locomotives?

BLSC recently received the Siemens Vectrons (Re 475). They also appear to have leased the pair of Hupac Vectron (193) locomotives.
I was surprised to read that. When I saw them working with BLSC, I had assumed that BLSC were doing test runs for Hupac.

What is the current situation with the Railpool Class 186 locomotives. Some had come to the BLS through the swap lease with RailCare. As the Re 465 and Re 4/4 (425) have been returned to Spiez, I presume that those Class 186 went back to RailCare or RailPool. I think that at least one was back in use with RailCare pending delivery of the remaining Vectrons to that company.

Railcare took a small number of TRAXX locos from Railpool, but I wasn’t aware of them taking any of the 186s that they previously leased and then moved to BLSC.

186 104 remains with BLSC.

186 106 was not one of the original four with Railcare, but was briefly leased to them last year but is now back with BLSC.

There were also a handful of RailPool leased loks that were branded for the cooperative venture with ERS Railways, which is now ended.
Which locos? I don’t remember ever seeing any BLS/ERS branded locos.

I am also curious as to what the state of the Class 187s is. Was there a long term lease or have the BLS now decided that the 187 is no longer in the cards?
187 006 was working with BLSC last week.

Cheers,
Ewan


Status of BLS Cargo locomotives (leased)

csipromo
 

I was wondering if somebody could provide more details on the current status of the BLS Cargo fleet of leased locomotives?

BLSC recently received the Siemens Vectrons (Re 475). They also appear to have leased the pair of Hupac Vectron (193) locomotives.
What is the current situation with the Railpool Class 186 locomotives. Some had come to the BLS through the swap lease with RailCare. As the Re 465 and Re 4/4 (425) have been returned to Spiez, I presume that those Class 186 went back to RailCare or RailPool. I think that at least one was back in use with RailCare pending delivery of the remaining Vectrons to that company. There were also a handful of RailPool leased loks that were branded for the cooperative venture with ERS Railways, which is now ended.
I am also curious as to what the state of the Class 187s is. Was there a long term lease or have the BLS now decided that the 187 is no longer in the cards?

On a slightly related topic, can anybody also provide more detail on the former Crossrail Class 186? I read that some are operating for SBBC while others may have been leased or sublet to other operators.

Thanks in advance for any more details.

Regards

Mike C


Re: RhB Photo Locations Guide?

Clive Dean
 

I could only see the photo on my screen and didn't scroll down at all, so
didn't know there was a map below. But I do now. Interesting location and
a walk that is on my bucket list should I manage to stay for a few days at
the campsite at Davos Glaris.


11300

Martin Baumann
 

Passenger 11300 was released from Bellinzona on 18.06.2018 after an R2 overhaul. Its previous overhaul was R1 04.08.2011


Re: RhB Photo Locations Guide?

Guerbetaler
 

Am 26.06.2018 um 14:52 schrieb Chris Wood via Groups.Io:
Sorry, Markus, but I don't see a link to the SwissTopo maps on the
railpictures web site. My apologies if it is there and I've missed
it, but if it isn't how exactly is Clive supposed to find out the
location of the photo using the SwissTopo maps?.
Hi Chris, in my original mail I gave the link to the Swisstopo map:

Am 19.06.2018 um 23:21 schrieb Markus:
Forget about Google! They ignore railways.

Better take the official Swiss maps map.geo.admin.ch or open
streetamp.

<https://map.geo.admin.ch/?lang=de&topic=ech&bgLayer=ch.swisstopo.pixelkarte-farbe&layers=ch.swisstopo.zeitreihen,ch.bfs.gebaeude_wohnungs_register,ch.bav.haltestellen-oev,ch.swisstopo.swisstlm3d-wanderwege&layers_visibility=false,false,false,false&layers_timestamp=18641231,,,&E=2774817&N=1174633&zoom=13&crosshair=marker>

Markus


Re: RhB Photo Locations Guide?

Chris Wood
 

On Tue, Jun 19, 2018 at 02:21 pm, Guerbetaler wrote:


Forget about Google! They ignore railways.

Better take the official Swiss maps map.geo.admin.ch or open streetamp.
Sorry, Markus, but I don't see a link to the SwissTopo maps on the railpictures web site. My apologies if it is there and I've missed it, but if it isn't how exactly is Clive supposed to find out the location of the photo using the SwissTopo maps?.

I appreciate that if he already knows the location he can look that location up on the SwissTopo maps, and that they do give a better representation of railways. But that wasn't the question he asked.


Re: RhB Historic Trains - How to tell if Crocodile?

gordonwis
 

I think what RhB is essentially saying is that it reserves the right to modify the train composition, and the use of a Ge4/4I instead of a Croc is possible at any time, but probable/expected until 29 June

Perhaps RhB has decided to try and ensure that the Croc is rostered in the peak summer period July - August


Re: RhB Photo Locations Guide?

Guerbetaler
 

Forget about Google! They ignore railways.
Not sure that's quite true, as they have just started showing station
platforms, which has already been of help to me planning my next
trip.
They may show railway stations, but they ignore railways.

Markus, Gürbetal


Re: RhB Photo Locations Guide?

gordonwis
 

Forget about Google! They ignore railways.
Not sure that's quite true, as they have just started showing station platforms, which has already been of help to me planning my next trip.


Re: RhB in next decade

Toma Bacic
 

Thank you very much for your answers!

The number of EMUs on order includes those needed for half hourly services.
On which lines RhB is going to introduce half hurly services; and when?

But by introducing train splitting in Klosters, the number of trains
between Landquart and
Klosters will not increase, avoiding some investments in infrastructure.
But, doubling is also planed between Landquart and Malans, correct?

regards
toma

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