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Re: Hupac Vectron Locomotives

gordonwis
 

Hupac BLS Cargo 494 sbd paired with a 485 Pratteln 19/4
494 nbd paired with 475 401 (and banked by BLS 175) 18/4
494 sbd paired with 186 251 9/4
496 nbd paired with 186 108 9/4
493 WRD livery with Habillns vans nbd 9/4





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On Tue, 21/5/19, csipromo via Groups.Io <csipromo=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:


The latest information that I had was
that 490 and 491 (Hupac) livery and at least one was being
used by GTS (Italy). 492 was still in Nightpiercer livery,
but waiting for the wrapping to be removed and 493 was in
WRS livery with no Hupac markings.  I now understand
that one additional lok (490 or 491) is now being used by
WRS (in Hupac livery).


Re: Private Operators (Since 2005)

gordonwis
 

The Wetron I saw at Pratteln recently was hauled by Crossrail 186/9 pair

On my extended stay on the Lötschberg last month I saw amongst other things:


LKW Walter trailers singly mixed with other names (sbbc haulage, sometimes 474)

Block LKW Walter with BLSC 186+475 haulage (but was NOT totally Walter, there were some Ewals and Codognotto mixed in)

Same but with CLdNCargo/Ferrymasters mix

train with almost half the consist block Van Dijk containers (BLSC 465 haulage)

‘mainly Walter (but some others included ) (SBBC 193/4 haulage)

Ferrymasters, Transmec and Others mixed (DB 193 /3 haulage)

‘all Walter’ (SBBC474 + 193/2 haulage)

‘all Walter’ (SBBC 193/4 + 193/2 haulage)

Samskip (BLS 475 haulage)

Ambrogio (BLS 465 pair haulage)

Ambrogio (single BLS 486 but at Pratteln))

Intermodaltrasporti block (BLS 425 brownie pair haulage)

‘mostly Walter’ (SBBC Re10/10 haulage)




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On Tue, 21/5/19, csipromo via Groups.Io <csipromo=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:


I think that Ferrymaster loads from Antwerp were running using IFB, TRW, B Cargo or Xrail
leased carriers. The ones from Rotterdam are using other...
carriers.
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Re: Private Operators (Since 2005)

gordonwis
 

Hangartner is long gone


Re: I'm taking a "cab" ride

gordonwis
 

Luckily yes it's booked Re4/4II. More interesting than shelling out the arguably ludicrous money now being asked for 'Excellence Class' on the Glacier Express...

However, the ride won't be very interesting from a traffic point of view in that you hardly see anything else on the line now - it's dull.


Re: Private Operators (Since 2005)

csipromo
 

Wetron is working with Jan de Rijk. I don't know exactly the arrangement, but they are cooperating. I think that each company was handling one run and now they have joined to offer two runs that are open to both companies and their customers. I don't know who provides the cars and traction, but I believe that Wetron was DB and BLS, but is now DB and SBB Cargo.

Regards

Mike C


Re: I'm taking a "cab" ride

John Lovda
 

Thank you Markus. I apologize for being lazy. Because I'm supposed to be waiting for the locomotive 10 minutes before it arrives in Flüelen I cannot take 3091 from Zürich HB (1 minute stop at Flüelen). I will have to take IR 75 at 07:35 and arrive at Flüelen at 8:46. I'm glad I'll be riding in an Re420.

I'll report back after the ride with some photos.

John


Re: Private Operators (Since 2005)

csipromo
 

I think that Ferrymaster loads from Antwerp were running using IFB, TRW, B Cargo or Xrail leased carriers. The ones from Rotterdam are using other carriers.
LKW Walter was a shareholder in Crossrail, so their trains were partially running under that banner. Since the Crossrail changes, they have been running some runs with SBBC and some with BLSC.
Winner was operated by DB Schenker.
I am not sure who was running Wetron. Do they run the train or have they partnered with another operator/service?
Is Lannuti running their own train or are they shipping using another operator/service (Hupac/etc))?

In terms of past services, I would love more info on the DB Cargo "Red" train. I know it was DB cars and containers.
Is Hangartner still running over the Loetschberg or is that now under another name? Last photos I remember had a mix of green Hangartner and white DB Schenker loads. Is traction still BLS or are DB Loks used for this run?

Regards

Mike C


Re: Private Operators (Since 2005)

Ewan Tait
 

On 19 May 2019, at 17:06, csipromo via Groups.Io <csipromo=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

I put P&O (Ferrymasters) in the former/unknown, because this operator has worked with multiple traction over the past decade and a half, including, but not limited to Crossrail and SBB Cargo. I am not sure if the runs from Holland (Rotterdam) and Belgium were handled by the same operators either. I know that the Rotterdam-Novara run has been assigned to Hupac since 2017, but Hupac currently outsources traction to SBBC. It may have previously been ERS (a Hupac subsidiary) or others (BoxXpress) to Basel. ERS was originally part of the NS Cargo Group, was sold to Maersk, then to Genessee (USA) and then to Hupac.
Last summer:

P&O Ferrymasters were on Lineas flats (IFB branding is being removed and replaced with Lineas across the continent) with SBB traction
Hupac flats were hauled by both SBB and BLS

You also missed Rail Adventure (albeit stock moves only) and various other bulk loads (Lannutti, LKW Walter, Winner Spedition, Wetron)

Regards,
Ewan

--
http://ewan.me.uk


Re: I'm taking a "cab" ride

StuartSmith
 

Gotthard Weekender is/was booked for an Re4/4 last summer.

It is limited stops only.

[please delete old messages, thank you]


Re: I'm taking a "cab" ride

Guerbetaler
 

Am 21.05.2019 um 19:47 schrieb John Lovda via Groups.Io:
I hope someone can help me. ..."Gotthard-Weekender," Saturday, 1 June
from Fl??elen to Bellinzona. The train departs Fl??elen at 09:32. I
have two questions; 1) will this train be pulled by an Re420 or some
type of EMU and 2) is this an express train or a local, stopping at
Erstfeld, G??schenen, etc?
I recommend the following sites to find this information (I can't post the results, as they are graphic).

<https://www.sbb.ch/en/home.html>
search for Fl??elen Bellinzona 01.06.2019 09:32
Now, the train departs 09:33
click on it and qou will get IR 3091 Weekender
click the (+) and you will see the intermediate stops

<https://www.fahrplanfelder.ch/en/welcome.html>
search for Fl??elen or 600
click on 600 Luzern/Z??rich ??? Gotthard ??? Chiasso (open or download)
in the PDF, search for 3091 and you will find all timings
departure Fl??elen is 09:33

<http://www.reisezuege.ch/index.php?znummer=3091&fp_id=17&action=5>
answers your first question...

Markus, G??rbetal


I'm taking a "cab" ride

John Lovda
 

I hope someone can help me. I will be in Switzerland from 28 May to 5 June. I decided to spend a bunch of money and will be riding in the cab on the "Gotthard-Weekender," Saturday, 1 June from Flüelen to Bellinzona. The train departs Flüelen at 09:32. I have two questions; 1) will this train be pulled by an Re420 or some type of EMU and 2) is this an express train or a local, stopping at Erstfeld, Göschenen, etc? I hope it's a slower train making many stops. I have been on this route many times but this will be my first up front. I will cost me almost CHF 500 in addition to my eight day Swiss Travel Pass. My friend from Greifensee bought the ticket for me at a local post office as the procedure for purchasing is not simple and the website has a lot of errors. The SBB doesn't sell the ride, a ticket agency does.

Thanks,
John


DVZO 50 years

gbgen <gbgen@...>
 


Re: Hupac Vectron Locomotives

csipromo
 

When the first four Hupac Vectrons were delivered to Switzerland, they were put into service by BLS Cargo.
The final four locomotives were delayed while they were modified to meet BLS' specs.

I presume this means that 494-497 received the same package as the already delivered Re 475s.
The first four locomotives were then released back to Hupac, which turned them over to SBB Cargo.
SBB Cargo conducted some operations, but has since apparently decided to not use the locomotives.
The latest information that I had was that 490 and 491 (Hupac) livery and at least one was being used by GTS (Italy). 492 was still in Nightpiercer livery, but waiting for the wrapping to be removed and 493 was in WRS livery with no Hupac markings. I now understand that one additional lok (490 or 491) is now being used by WRS (in Hupac livery).

I have not been able to find any additional information about why SBB Cargo declined the use of these locomotives.
I presume that there was something about them that made them too different from the other Vectrons (LokRoll and ELL) that SBB Cargo was using and that additional training would have been required for crews using these loks. I would love to find out the exact story. Could Hupac not ask Siemens to modify them to suit the client like they did for BLSC?

Regards

Mike C


Re: Private Operators (Since 2005)

gordonwis
 

SNCF 37500s run into Muttenz. They used to run to Buchs SG but I too believe that to have ended. The only SNCF 37500 I've seen outside France or Basel in the past year was at Bitterfeld in Germany.

Fret SNCF 75000s ran into Genève La Praille via the Vernier - Jonction chord but then that was switched to electric haulage through to Lausanne Triage


Re: Private Operators (Since 2005)

Max Wyss
 

A good 10 years ago, I did photograph a mixed freight hauled by a SNCF
locomotive (IIRC a 36000) in Zürich Altstetten; I assume that this was a
Basel - Buchs run.


Re: Private Operators (Since 2005)

csipromo
 

I put P&O (Ferrymasters) in the former/unknown, because this operator has worked with multiple traction over the past decade and a half, including, but not limited to Crossrail and SBB Cargo. I am not sure if the runs from Holland (Rotterdam) and Belgium were handled by the same operators either. I know that the Rotterdam-Novara run has been assigned to Hupac since 2017, but Hupac currently outsources traction to SBBC. It may have previously been ERS (a Hupac subsidiary) or others (BoxXpress) to Basel. ERS was originally part of the NS Cargo Group, was sold to Maersk, then to Genessee (USA) and then to Hupac.
http://www.hupac.ch/New-connection-Rotterdam-Europoort-Novara-8d483000?MasterId=g1_3433

As far as SNCF operations, I am primarily referring to UKV/KLV runs and not to other freight types. I would presume that through traffic from Vallorbe to Italy was probably handled by SBB Cargo. I know that there was some SNCF multi system operations in the Geneva-Lausanne area (Denges) and in the Basel area (Muttenz), but did not know how far into or through Switzerland they could operate.

I can see photos on the web, but not having been in Switzerland in a decade and a half now, I am trying to maintain a current list of what goes with what.

Thanks and regards

Mike C


Re: Private Operators (Since 2005)

Guerbetaler
 

Am 18.05.2019 um 09:31 schrieb Toma Bacic:
I am not very familiar with the operators in Switzerland, but is it
true that SNCF Fret runs some trains to Buchs SG?
I can't comment on the contracts between all the partners involved, but AFAIK these trains were SBBC-trains in terms of RU responsible. SNCF Fret locomotives ran through to Buchs but I think that has ended.

Markus, Gürbetal


Re: Private Operators (Since 2005)

gordonwis
 

On Sat, 18/5/19, csipromo via Groups.Io <csipromo=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
P&O Ferrymasters was on my
list. I believe that the contract is with SBB Cargo.
SNCF (Fret) is now part owner of BLS Cargo. I
don't know how this has changed any connections.


I'm pretty confused by the 'I believe" part of your statement:
"P&O Ferrymasters was on my list. I believe that the contract is with SBB Cargo."

according to your original post P&O was not "on your list" but "former/unknown", and not sure why you still say "I believe" given that I just confirmed that P&O Ferrymasters was in the hands of SBBC traction.

I'm not sure of the following has anything to do with the Fret SNCF / BLS Cargo tie up but I witnessed a BLS brownie work into and out of Visp with stuff for Lonza. Some of the wagons were labelled as destination Jarrie Vizille (near Grenoble) and Antwerpen (also possibly routed via France?)


Re: Private Operators (Since 2005)

Toma Bacic
 

On 18 May 2019, at 07:53, Thomas <tks71@hotmail.com> wrote:
Until recently, SNCF Fret between Denges-Echandens and Geneva (and on to/from Ambérieu).
I am not very familiar with the operators in Switzerland, but is it true that SNCF Fret runs some trains to Buchs SG?

Regards
Toma


Re: Private Operators (Since 2005)

csipromo
 

P&O Ferrymasters was on my list. I believe that the contract is with SBB Cargo.
SNCF (Fret) is now part owner of BLS Cargo. I don't know how this has changed any connections.
SNCF also has interests in other operators (Belgium, Germany, etc)

It gets quite complicated at times.

Regards

Mike C

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