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Re: MGB loks 21-24

Guerbetaler
 

Am 15.02.2020 um 01:54 schrieb gordonwis via Groups.Io:
Since the arrival of the EMUs on the Zermatt line, 21 - 24 can appear
at any time anywhere really.
Sorry for the rant, but 21-24 are EMU as well. When working push-pull over the Obealp they mostly have GF-couplers within the set. The classic central buffer with two chains is not very well suited for pushing operations.

And apart from this I might remember you of the the fact that there had been earlier EMUs on BVZ as well with ABDeh 6/6 2031-32 and ABDeh 8/8 2041-43. even if you could classify them rather as "Allegraish " :-P

Markus, Gürbetal


Re: RhB BASIC TRAIN CONSISTS

Robin Jorimann
 

Thank you, Markus.

Does this mean the Allegras have four or more coaches? Last summer I did not see one Allegra on the Davos - Filisur shuttle and after some lovely walks I always seemed to end up at the station cafe at Filisur for a beer and an hour or so of trains!
Thank you again


Re: MGB loks 21-24

gordonwis
 

Since the arrival of the EMUs on the Zermatt line, 21 - 24 can appear at any time anywhere really.
(For some reason there are one of my favourite types of Swiss motive power, possibly due to them being ever present on my fondly remembered all family trips to Zermatt over the last 15 or so years, especially one trip when one of them spent most of the week constantly visiting the siding within spitting distance of my Zermatt Ambassador hotel room balcony.)

For example, 23 was out and about above Disentis a few summers ago when we were camping near Disentis.

More recently, in April 2019 during my enforced longer than expected time in the Visp/Brig area, as it was my first visit to the Visp area for a few years, on 11 April when I saw 22 in the dept at Glisergrund I thought - “oh well - it doesn’t look very active - they’re probably only used in emergency these days” - only for it to pop up on a passenger working at Brig the next day. Similarly, later that week, having got use to most Deh worked trains being in the hands of the 51 or 91series, suddenly on 16 April at Visp, 21 appeared working a train at around 10.00 then 22 also appeared at 13.15 the same day on a working to Zermatt.


Re: RhB BASIC TRAIN CONSISTS

Guerbetaler
 

Am 13.02.2020 um 11:31 schrieb Robin Jorimann:
Three coaches (which Allegras are) are inadequate for the Davos -
Filisur shuttle.
This is why Ge 4/4 III now have four coaches and Allegras come with B"
and Bt

Markus, Gürbetal


Re: RhB BASIC TRAIN CONSISTS

Robin Jorimann
 

Thank you

Last summer it was very unusual to see an Allegra on the Landquart - Davos - Filisur route.
Three coaches (which Allegras are) are inadequate for the Davos - Filisur shuttle. Everybody staying in Davos at least one night gets a free public transport pass which includes Davos to Filisur.
There are also more people cycling, usually in groups, these days


Re: Big order for new units from MGB

Toma Bacic
 

For what reason RhB vehicles were going to Andermatt? Also which vehicles and when?

Thank you and regards
Toma


Re: Big order for new units from MGB

Guerbetaler
 

Am 12.02.2020 um 22:06 schrieb Toma Bacic:
For what reason RhB vehicles were going to Andermatt? Also which
vehicles and when?
-------- Weitergeleitete Nachricht --------
Betreff: Re: [SwissRail] RhB loco on the MGB
Datum: Thu, 26 May 2005 23:12:22 +0200
Von: Markus <guerbetaler@yahoo.fr>
An: SwissRail@yahoogroups.com

Malcolm Hardy-Randall wrote:
In April 2005 RhB Ge 4/4 III 651 piloted MGB HGe 4/4 II 106 on a
special Panoramawagen train from Disentis to Oberalp. Was the RhB
loco fitted for rack operation or if not, is it just allowed to
operate on the MGB route in the pilot loco capacity only?
RhB locos were transferred over the Oberalp in different occasions.
Condition is, that rack-equipped motive power is in the train and
the RhB loco must be uphill from this. What we have recorded
until now is this:

1984 green Ge 4/4I 603 "Badus" and Ge 4/4II 617 "Ilanz" were
brought to Brig from where they were transported to Landquart
because an avalanche had interrupted the line to Disentis.
(SER 2/84)

22/26 Oct 1984 red Ge 4/4 II 628 was transferred to Realp for
track tests in Furka Tunnel (SER 5/84) These tests had been
repeated on two occasions, at least:

25 Oct 1985 Ge 4/4 II 6?? (EA12/85)
might have been 631 or 632.

18 Sep 1986 Ge 4/4 II 629 (EA 11/86)

1987 after heavy rainfalls the line was interrupted and RhB sent
a Tm for repair works to Disentis via Visp (EA 12/87)

15 May 1995 Ge 4/4 III 643 test rides in Furka tunnel preparing
Vereina car transports (SER 6/95)

April 2005 finally Ge 4/4 III 651 "75 Jahre Glacier Express"

Apart from this, FO/MGB's own adhesion-only Ge 4/4 81 and
82 were/are frequent guests on the Oberalp. But never
alone ...

Markus, Gürbetal


Re: RhB BASIC TRAIN CONSISTS

Guerbetaler
 

Am 12.02.2020 um 21:39 schrieb Robin Jorimann:
Davos in the summer - am I likely to see them there then?
You might see them or you might not. IF you see them, then my list will be obsolete!

Markus, Gürbetal


Re: Big order for new units from MGB

Guerbetaler
 

Am 12.02.2020 um 18:28 schrieb tudor erich via Groups.Io:
Not all traffic over the Oberalp is rack equipped historically.
The rule is that the last vehicle must have a cogwheel and that every second vehicle must have a cogwheel.

Ge 4/4 81 and 82 have often been in Brig and in Landquart. RhB locomotives came to Andermatt several times. The locomotive or EMU must work in adhesion mode and be accompanied by a rack locomotive or motor coach on the valley side, e.g.
Disentis - Oberalp Ge 4/4" leading, Deh behind
Oberalp - Andermatt Deh leading, Ge 4/4" behind

If I'm not mistaken, a SPATZ may be behind an ADLER when working in MU over the Brünig.

An adhesion-only ORION will be allowed to work over rack sections in MU with a rack ORION.

Markus, Gürbetal


Re: Big order for new units from MGB

tudor erich
 

I`m sure that with a rack equipped piece of rolling stock as well (or several) or rack equipped motive power all would be well. Not all traffic over the Oberalp is rack equipped historically.
Bernard


Re: RhB BASIC TRAIN CONSISTS

Robin Jorimann
 

This is very interesting information.
Thank you
Is there any news on the introduction of the Capricorns?
I might be going to Davos in the summer - am I likely to see them there then?
Thank you


Re: RhB BASIC TRAIN CONSISTS

Guerbetaler
 

Am 12.02.2020 um 18:30 schrieb tudor erich via Groups.Io:
Does anyone have knowledge of the basic unit of trains run on the
Rhb? I know the core unit on the Bernina is motive power, an AB and a
BD and from Disentis it is AB A B B B D but what is used on the other
lines?
minimum consists:
A"/B" = EW II, may be an EW IV on occasions

Chur - Arosa
3 x Allegra

Landquart - Davos - Filisur
2 x Ge 4/4 III - A - B - B -BDt
3 x Allegra - B" - Bt

Klosters - Davos - Filisur
2 x STNP: Be 4/4 511-16 - B - B - ABDt

Engadin: Scuol - Pontresina and St. Moritz - Klosters (- Landquart)
4 x Ge 4/4 II - A" - B" - B" - BDt or Bt (Winter)
(1 STNP as replacement unit)

Chur - Albula - St. Moritz
6 x Ge 4/4 III - Alvra - At
Ge 4/4 III may be replaced with an Allegra, the At with a Bt and the Alvra consist with a rake of EW II

Landquart - Vereina - St. Moritz
same consists as Disentis - Scuol or
- push-pull consist Engadin
- 1 x Ge 4/4 II - A - B - B - B
- 1 x Ge 4/4 II - BDt - A - ... (not in push-pull mode)

Schiers - Chur - Thusis
5 x STZ (3101-05)
replacement possible with STNP (511-516) or Allegra ZTZ (3501-15)

Schlittelzug Bergün - Preda (- St. Moritz)
Ge 4/4 II - D - 3 WS - BDt

Vereina car shuttles
4 x Ge 4/4 III - car shuttle wagons - BDt 1721...42

Markus, Gürbetal


RhB BASIC TRAIN CONSISTS

tudor erich
 

Does anyone have knowledge of the basic unit of trains run on the Rhb?
I know the core unit on the Bernina is motive power, an AB and a BD and from Disentis it is AB A B B B D but what is used on the other lines?

Bernard


Re: MGB loks 21-24

Guerbetaler
 

Am 12.02.2020 um 12:18 schrieb daigog218 via Groups.Io:
MGB Lok no.23 has been operating the 'Sportzug' additional trains for
skiers between Sedrun and Dieni recently. Do this batch of
locomotives work anything else regularly apart from the Andermatt car
trains? Any additional services in the summer perhaps?
Ex-BVZ motor luggage vans 21-24 are often used but perhaps not "regularly". A typical use might be:

Deh - 4171/72 - 4270/72 - 2253/54
Deh - 4171/72 - 4270/72 - 2253/54
Deh - car trains, possibly with Bt 2251/52
Deh - Oberalp consist (up to 5 coaches)

7 December 2019 I saw
2253-4270-4220-4172-24
doing Visp - Andermatt turns

Markus, Gürbetal


Re: Big order for new units from MGB

Guerbetaler
 

Am 12.02.2020 um 16:34 schrieb Andrew Moglestue via Groups.Io:
as a transfer to Visp for maintenance would sound tricky without cog provision.
ZB SPATZ units get over the Brünig Pass in MU with rack-EMUs

Markus, Gürbetal


Re: Big order for new units from MGB

Martin Baumann
 

Not ZB any time soon. See message 27298 on this group


Re: Re 4/4 II and III update

Martin Baumann
 

11355 went to Lugano for scrap today


Re: Big order for new units from MGB

Krist van Besien
 

On Feb 11, 2020, 20:40 +0100, Guerbetaler <guerbetaler@sunrise.ch>, wrote:
Am 07.02.2020 um 20:43 schrieb Guerbetaler:
And, if I'm not mistaken, not all 27 EMUs will be ordered at once.
In a first step, 12 3-car-trains will be ordered at a price of CHF 148
Mio. or 12.3 Mio. per train. This is quite a proud price for a motor
coach with two hangers.
Given that these are mixed rack/adhesion units they will probably be similar to units delivered to MOB and ZB. And these are quite complex beasts with traction distributed over the whole length of the unit. So all coaches are powered.

Krist


Re: Big order for new units from MGB

Andrew Moglestue
 

the tunnel from Täsch to zermatt, which should be realised with STEP 35. It will allow to avoid cogwheel between the two places.
Does this mean that such trains would be strictly restricted to this section (and hence, presumably, a depot provided locally) as a transfer to Visp for maintenance would sound tricky without cog provision.


MGB loks 21-24

daigog218
 

Hello,

MGB Lok no.23 has been operating the 'Sportzug' additional trains for skiers between Sedrun and Dieni recently. Do this batch of locomotives work anything else regularly apart from the Andermatt car trains? Any additional services in the summer perhaps?

Many thanks,

Dave

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