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Re: Narrow gauge train by Wohlen

John Lovda
 

The pictures from the Aargau Verkehr website are really nice. If I have a off day on my next trip I may stop in Bremgarten. Thanks for all your replies!

John


Re: Driver killed in BLS collision in Germany

Thomas
 

On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 10:53 AM, Guerbetaler wrote:

When I
answer Gordon's mail, it appears like this:

Am 03.04.2020 um 01:54 schrieb gordonwis via groups.io:
On the group page the correct time & date also appears. That means that it took 6 days for that e-mail to reach the group! It would probably have been faster by postal mail, even under the current circumstances.

What is amazing is the time it took for the mainstream press and the German police to realize that the chunk of bridge which was hit by the train on its journey south could not have come from the new bridge which is even further south from the position where the train and chunk had come to halt, especially given that no chunks of the new bridge were missing and that photographers of the said press were able to stand on that bridge in order to take pictures of the accident site.

Rgds, Thomas.


Re: Driver killed in BLS collision in Germany

Guerbetaler
 

Am 10.04.2020 um 18:55 schrieb Thomas:
On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 02:42 PM, gordonwis wrote:
Some confusion as to whether
There's really no confusion about the fact
At the time when Gordon wrote his mail, there may still have been some confusion about some facts. Please be aware that mails are not always sent at the moment when you receive them. There may be hours or days between sending and receiving for several reasons. Unfortunately this fact isn't always obvious. If you use a good mail-program, it is possible to distinguish between time sent and time received. When I answer Gordon's mail, it appears like this:

Am 03.04.2020 um 01:54 schrieb gordonwis via groups.io:

Markus


Re: Driver killed in BLS collision in Germany

Thomas
 

On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 02:42 PM, gordonwis wrote:


Some confusion as to whether the bridge was being demolished or is under
construction
There's realy no confusion about the fact that the piece fell off the old bridge which was being dismantled. The new replacement bridge is located south of where the train came to stop.

Rgds, Thomas.


Re: Narrow gauge train by Wohlen

Guerbetaler
 

Am 10.04.2020 um 17:57 schrieb Guerbetaler:
1912 for Bremgarten - Wohlen. This bit was between Bremgarten West
and Wohlen erected by putting a third rail to the existing standard
gauge track, which persisted for freight traffic.
another odd detail: Wohlen - Bremgarten was a formally independent railway company, opening on 1st September 1876. Its two locomotives were built by the SCB workshops Olten as number 26 and 27. The line was operated by the SCB and nationalized in 1902. Still today the right-of-way belongs to SBB, but every ballast stone on it is owned by AVA.

Markus, Gürbetal


Re: Narrow gauge train by Wohlen

Hans L.
 

First question: It's the Bremgarten-Dietikon-Bahn, meter-gauge passenger train.

[moderator's note: please avoid TOFU but write answers after the question and delete the rest]


Re: Narrow gauge train by Wohlen

Guerbetaler
 

Am 10.04.2020 um 17:57 schrieb Guerbetaler:
The tracks belong to the AVA-line S17 Dietikon - Bremgarten AG - Wohlen
Some recent pictures by the company here:
<https://www.aargauverkehr.ch/unternehmen/medien/pr>

S17 Dietikon - Wohlen has the ABe 4/8 5000 series, other trains are for the S14 Aarau - Schöftland and Menziken.

Maybe an odd detail: S17 is a Zürich S-Bahn number (starting point Dietikon is in the canton of Zürich), while S14 is a number of Northwestern Switzerland (Basel/Aarau/Olten/Delémont).

Markus, Gürbetal


Re: Narrow gauge train by Wohlen

Guerbetaler
 

Am 10.04.2020 um 17:47 schrieb John Lovda via groups.io:
I have been watching YouTube videos of SBB train cab rides. On a
video riding S25 the train passed some narrow gauge tracks going off
from Wohlen. I followed these tracks on Google Maps and they seem to
lead to Bremgarten. What railroad is this? Is it passenger or freight
only? Anything interesting on this route?
The tracks belong to the AVA-line S17 Dietikon - Bremgarten AG - Wohlen, former BDWM transport, former Bremgarten-Dietikon-Bahn (BD), opened in 1902 for Dietikon - Bremgarten and 1912 for Bremgarten - Wohlen. This bit was between Bremgarten West and Wohlen erected by putting a third rail to the existing standard gauge track, which persisted for freight traffic. All rail freight traffic between Dietikon and Wohlen has ceased and the standard gauge track was lifted last year.

Second question. When an S Bahn train is heading toward Zürich HB
after stopping at Stadelhofen can it only go to the Museumstrasse
Station (41-44) or is there a switch in the tunnel allowing it to go
to the Lowenstrasse Station (31-34) as well?
No, there is no connection.

Markus, Gürbetal


Narrow gauge train by Wohlen

John Lovda
 

I have been watching YouTube videos of SBB train cab rides. On a video riding S25 the train passed some narrow gauge tracks going off from Wohlen. I followed these tracks on Google Maps and they seem to lead to Bremgarten. What railroad is this? Is it passenger or freight only? Anything interesting on this route?

Second question. When an S Bahn train is heading toward Zürich HB after stopping at Stadelhofen can it only go to the Museumstrasse Station (41-44) or is there a switch in the tunnel allowing it to go to the Lowenstrasse Station (31-34) as well?

Thanks


Re: SBB Steuerwagen BDt (EWI, EWII) Question

Guerbetaler
 

The BDt with smoker compartment were needed for Bellinzona - Locarno fast trains and the Aargau RE, starting in May 1999.

34 900 ??.1999 ex 33 993 ex 20-34 453/92-33 959
34 901 05.1999 ex 33 994 ex 20-34 449/92-33 948
34 902 06.1999 ex 33 995 ex 20-34 444/92-33 957
34 903 06.1999 ex 33 996 ex 20-34 455/92-33 941
34 904 07.1999 ex 20-34 459 / 92-33 958
34 905 07.1999 ex 20-34 452 / 92-33 950

82-34 900 was probably renumbered when it got the Aargau design. But the renumbering wasn't reported in Eisenbahn-Amateur.

Markus, Gürbetal


Re: SBB Steuerwagen BDt (EWI, EWII) Question

Guerbetaler
 

Am 10.04.2020 um 11:44 schrieb Martin Baumann:
82-33 906 and 907 for the Simplon car trains were renumbered from
82-33 967 and 973
as I wrote earlier, they were 82-34 906 and 907

In fact, 82-33 901-909 never existed. 82-33 900 was the very first light steel driving trailer, to go with Re 4/4'. It still exists with SBBH.

The EW II series started at 82-33 910. At that time, SBB usually started different series with a 0 as eleventh digit.

Same for Dt and DZt. There were in total five Dt and DZt that followed the above mentioned BDt:

1948 CFt4ü 991 > 1955 renumbered
CFt4ü 990 > 1990 > BDt 50 85 82-33 900
1955
Ft4ü 991 > 1991 > Dt 50 85 92-22 900
Ft4ü 992 > 1992 > Dt 50 85 92-22 901
Ft4ü 993 > 1993 > Dt 50 85 92-22 902
FZt4ü 994 > 1994 > DZt 50 85 92-22 900
FZt4ü 995 > 1995 > DZt 50 85 92-22 901

So the EW I DZt got numbers from 91-33 910

Markus, Gürbetal


Re: SBB Steuerwagen BDt (EWI, EWII) Question

Martin Baumann
 

900 to 903 were ex 993 to 996

900 to 905 had the cab from a Dt as follows

900 cab from 92-33 959
901 cab from 92-33 948
902 cab from 92-33 957
903 cab from 92-33 941
904 cab from 92-33 958
905 cab from 92-33 950

82-33 906 and 907 for the Simplon car trains were renumbered from 82-33 967 and 973


Re: SBB Steuerwagen BDt (EWI, EWII) Question

Guerbetaler
 

Am 01.04.2020 um 15:03 schrieb csipromo via Groups.Io:
The Jail Train 901/902 had previously been converted to BDt or were
the directly converted to St?
You can easily see from this picture, that they were direct conversions, keeping much of the Dt shape:

<https://groups.io/g/SwissRail/photo/46680/7?p=Created,,,100,2,0,0>

This photo isn't my work. It seems that many photos were attributed to my name in the transfer process to groups.io, because I had named the folders. Please, can those who recognize their photos tell me to credit them correctly. This is now possible (a function that had not been available originally).

Markus, Gürbetal


Re: Driver killed in BLS collision in Germany

Guerbetaler
 

Am 09.04.2020 um 22:04 schrieb Guerbetaler:
Between the bogies the floor is somewhat lowered.
...
but requires the standard couplings to be swivel-mounted.
to check the facts, go here;
<https://groups.io/g/SwissRail/album?id=244717>

Markus, Gürbetal


Re: SBB Steuerwagen BDt (EWI, EWII) Question

Guerbetaler
 

On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 09:36 PM, Guerbetaler wrote:
Second rebuild started in 1998:
BDt 50 85 82-33 981 - 996
BDt 50 85 82-34 900 - 905
Nobody asked why SBB stopped numbering at 33 996 and continued at 34 900. There was a reason for this. Regio and S-Bahn trains no longer had smoker compartments at this time. But RE, IR and IC had kept them. As it was planned to use some of these driving trailers in REs, 6 of them were allowed for smokers. So the 82-34 driving trailers were assigned to REs.

Markus, Gürbetal


Re: Driver killed in BLS collision in Germany

gordonwis
 

On Friday, 3 April 2020, 00:52:17 BST, gordonwis via groups.io <gordonwis=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Very sadly, it seems to have been a ridiculously large chunk of bridge - somewhat more than just 'debris'. The driver was killed and several lorry drivers injured in the amenity coach.

Some confusion as to whether the bridge was being demolished or is under construction


Re: SBB Steuerwagen BDt (EWI, EWII) Question

gordonwis
 

BLS 938 at Spiez, April 2008

<https://groups.io/g/SwissRail/album?id=46608>


Re: Driver killed in BLS collision in Germany

gordonwis
 

Ralpin 43635 Freiburg (Breisgau) GBf - Novara


Re: Driver killed in BLS collision in Germany

Guerbetaler
 

Am 09.04.2020 um 17:02 schrieb csipromo via groups.io:
I am also curious about how the leading ROLA car went completely
under the train's couchette coach. Does this indicate some problem
with the design of the coupler and buffer system of the ROLA cars?
Why should it be a problem? It is a fact and in this accident we can say that it was a big advantage and helped the lorry drivers to survive.

The ROLA cars must have the floor as deep as possible to let enough height for the 4 m of the lorries. Thus the wheels are reduced to a diameter of 36 or 38 cm. Between the bogies the floor is somewhat lowered. This keeps the edge of the lorries at about 4.40 m above rail.

This allows a simple loading and unloading but requires the standard couplings to be swivel-mounted. They can withstand normal forces in a train but they are clearly the first part to be destroyed in a collision. As seen.

Markus, Gürbetal


Re: Driver killed in BLS collision in Germany

csipromo
 

Tobias Schmidt captured a shot of the train involved shortly before the accident. He posted the photo in black and white on bahnbilder.de, which I think is a suitable memoriam to the locomotive and the driver who died.

https://www.bahnbilder.de/bild/schweiz~e-loks~re-485-bls-traxx-f140-ac1/1200790/aus-aktuellem-anlass-moechte-ich-hier.html

My condolences to the family of the driver and to those injured in the accident.

I am also curious about how the leading ROLA car went completely under the train's couchette coach. Does this indicate some problem with the design of the coupler and buffer system of the ROLA cars?

Regards

Mike C

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