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Re: Narrow gauge train by Wohlen

Guerbetaler
 

Am 10.04.2020 um 17:47 schrieb John Lovda via groups.io:
I have been watching YouTube videos of SBB train cab rides. On a
video riding S25 the train passed some narrow gauge tracks going off
from Wohlen. I followed these tracks on Google Maps and they seem to
lead to Bremgarten. What railroad is this? Is it passenger or freight
only? Anything interesting on this route?
The tracks belong to the AVA-line S17 Dietikon - Bremgarten AG - Wohlen, former BDWM transport, former Bremgarten-Dietikon-Bahn (BD), opened in 1902 for Dietikon - Bremgarten and 1912 for Bremgarten - Wohlen. This bit was between Bremgarten West and Wohlen erected by putting a third rail to the existing standard gauge track, which persisted for freight traffic. All rail freight traffic between Dietikon and Wohlen has ceased and the standard gauge track was lifted last year.

Second question. When an S Bahn train is heading toward Zürich HB
after stopping at Stadelhofen can it only go to the Museumstrasse
Station (41-44) or is there a switch in the tunnel allowing it to go
to the Lowenstrasse Station (31-34) as well?
No, there is no connection.

Markus, Gürbetal


Narrow gauge train by Wohlen

John Lovda
 

I have been watching YouTube videos of SBB train cab rides. On a video riding S25 the train passed some narrow gauge tracks going off from Wohlen. I followed these tracks on Google Maps and they seem to lead to Bremgarten. What railroad is this? Is it passenger or freight only? Anything interesting on this route?

Second question. When an S Bahn train is heading toward Zürich HB after stopping at Stadelhofen can it only go to the Museumstrasse Station (41-44) or is there a switch in the tunnel allowing it to go to the Lowenstrasse Station (31-34) as well?

Thanks


Re: SBB Steuerwagen BDt (EWI, EWII) Question

Guerbetaler
 

The BDt with smoker compartment were needed for Bellinzona - Locarno fast trains and the Aargau RE, starting in May 1999.

34 900 ??.1999 ex 33 993 ex 20-34 453/92-33 959
34 901 05.1999 ex 33 994 ex 20-34 449/92-33 948
34 902 06.1999 ex 33 995 ex 20-34 444/92-33 957
34 903 06.1999 ex 33 996 ex 20-34 455/92-33 941
34 904 07.1999 ex 20-34 459 / 92-33 958
34 905 07.1999 ex 20-34 452 / 92-33 950

82-34 900 was probably renumbered when it got the Aargau design. But the renumbering wasn't reported in Eisenbahn-Amateur.

Markus, Gürbetal


Re: SBB Steuerwagen BDt (EWI, EWII) Question

Guerbetaler
 

Am 10.04.2020 um 11:44 schrieb Martin Baumann:
82-33 906 and 907 for the Simplon car trains were renumbered from
82-33 967 and 973
as I wrote earlier, they were 82-34 906 and 907

In fact, 82-33 901-909 never existed. 82-33 900 was the very first light steel driving trailer, to go with Re 4/4'. It still exists with SBBH.

The EW II series started at 82-33 910. At that time, SBB usually started different series with a 0 as eleventh digit.

Same for Dt and DZt. There were in total five Dt and DZt that followed the above mentioned BDt:

1948 CFt4ü 991 > 1955 renumbered
CFt4ü 990 > 1990 > BDt 50 85 82-33 900
1955
Ft4ü 991 > 1991 > Dt 50 85 92-22 900
Ft4ü 992 > 1992 > Dt 50 85 92-22 901
Ft4ü 993 > 1993 > Dt 50 85 92-22 902
FZt4ü 994 > 1994 > DZt 50 85 92-22 900
FZt4ü 995 > 1995 > DZt 50 85 92-22 901

So the EW I DZt got numbers from 91-33 910

Markus, Gürbetal


Re: SBB Steuerwagen BDt (EWI, EWII) Question

Martin Baumann
 

900 to 903 were ex 993 to 996

900 to 905 had the cab from a Dt as follows

900 cab from 92-33 959
901 cab from 92-33 948
902 cab from 92-33 957
903 cab from 92-33 941
904 cab from 92-33 958
905 cab from 92-33 950

82-33 906 and 907 for the Simplon car trains were renumbered from 82-33 967 and 973


Re: SBB Steuerwagen BDt (EWI, EWII) Question

Guerbetaler
 

Am 01.04.2020 um 15:03 schrieb csipromo via Groups.Io:
The Jail Train 901/902 had previously been converted to BDt or were
the directly converted to St?
You can easily see from this picture, that they were direct conversions, keeping much of the Dt shape:

<https://groups.io/g/SwissRail/photo/46680/7?p=Created,,,100,2,0,0>

This photo isn't my work. It seems that many photos were attributed to my name in the transfer process to groups.io, because I had named the folders. Please, can those who recognize their photos tell me to credit them correctly. This is now possible (a function that had not been available originally).

Markus, Gürbetal


Re: Driver killed in BLS collision in Germany

Guerbetaler
 

Am 09.04.2020 um 22:04 schrieb Guerbetaler:
Between the bogies the floor is somewhat lowered.
...
but requires the standard couplings to be swivel-mounted.
to check the facts, go here;
<https://groups.io/g/SwissRail/album?id=244717>

Markus, Gürbetal


Re: SBB Steuerwagen BDt (EWI, EWII) Question

Guerbetaler
 

On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 09:36 PM, Guerbetaler wrote:
Second rebuild started in 1998:
BDt 50 85 82-33 981 - 996
BDt 50 85 82-34 900 - 905
Nobody asked why SBB stopped numbering at 33 996 and continued at 34 900. There was a reason for this. Regio and S-Bahn trains no longer had smoker compartments at this time. But RE, IR and IC had kept them. As it was planned to use some of these driving trailers in REs, 6 of them were allowed for smokers. So the 82-34 driving trailers were assigned to REs.

Markus, Gürbetal


Re: Driver killed in BLS collision in Germany

gordonwis
 

On Friday, 3 April 2020, 00:52:17 BST, gordonwis via groups.io <gordonwis=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Very sadly, it seems to have been a ridiculously large chunk of bridge - somewhat more than just 'debris'. The driver was killed and several lorry drivers injured in the amenity coach.

Some confusion as to whether the bridge was being demolished or is under construction


Re: SBB Steuerwagen BDt (EWI, EWII) Question

gordonwis
 

BLS 938 at Spiez, April 2008

<https://groups.io/g/SwissRail/album?id=46608>


Re: Driver killed in BLS collision in Germany

gordonwis
 

Ralpin 43635 Freiburg (Breisgau) GBf - Novara


Re: Driver killed in BLS collision in Germany

Guerbetaler
 

Am 09.04.2020 um 17:02 schrieb csipromo via groups.io:
I am also curious about how the leading ROLA car went completely
under the train's couchette coach. Does this indicate some problem
with the design of the coupler and buffer system of the ROLA cars?
Why should it be a problem? It is a fact and in this accident we can say that it was a big advantage and helped the lorry drivers to survive.

The ROLA cars must have the floor as deep as possible to let enough height for the 4 m of the lorries. Thus the wheels are reduced to a diameter of 36 or 38 cm. Between the bogies the floor is somewhat lowered. This keeps the edge of the lorries at about 4.40 m above rail.

This allows a simple loading and unloading but requires the standard couplings to be swivel-mounted. They can withstand normal forces in a train but they are clearly the first part to be destroyed in a collision. As seen.

Markus, Gürbetal


Re: Driver killed in BLS collision in Germany

csipromo
 

Tobias Schmidt captured a shot of the train involved shortly before the accident. He posted the photo in black and white on bahnbilder.de, which I think is a suitable memoriam to the locomotive and the driver who died.

https://www.bahnbilder.de/bild/schweiz~e-loks~re-485-bls-traxx-f140-ac1/1200790/aus-aktuellem-anlass-moechte-ich-hier.html

My condolences to the family of the driver and to those injured in the accident.

I am also curious about how the leading ROLA car went completely under the train's couchette coach. Does this indicate some problem with the design of the coupler and buffer system of the ROLA cars?

Regards

Mike C


Re: SBB-CI/Süd Leasing Vectron

Martin Baumann
 

193 533 works number 22739


SBB Am 6/6

Martin Baumann
 
Edited

These locomotives, exclusively used in RBL near Zürich, were taken out of use in December and have now been withdrawn.

18521 for scrap at Kaiseraugst April 2020
18522 for scrap at Kaiseraugst March 2020
18523 for scrap Waldibrücke March 2020
18524 withdrawn 02.06.2000 and used for spares, final disposition unknown
18525 at Altstetten repair centre, due to go to Kaiseraugst for scrap on 09.04.2020
18526 for scrap at Kaiseraugst April 2020


Re: SBB-CI/Süd Leasing Vectron

Martin Baumann
 

add

193 528 works number 22719 MOSEL

193 529 works number 22720 NECKAR


Re: Driver killed in BLS collision in Germany

csipromo
 

Thanks for the clarification. My information was gleaned from the German language posts (at that time) in DSO.
https://www.drehscheibe-online.de/foren/read.php?002,9265361,page=1

Since then, the thread is now up to 17 pages and has been updated to include more accurate information.

Regards

Mike C


Re: SBB-CI/Süd Leasing Vectron

csipromo
 

are there plans for one of the undelivered units to be named "Rhein" and replace 193 492 which had earlier been given that name?

Regards

Mike C


SBB-CI/Süd Leasing Vectron

Martin Baumann
 

Delivered so far

193 516 Aare 22629 2019
193 517 Adda 22964 2019
193 518 Ticino 22700 2019
193 519 Adige 22701 2019
193 520 Diveria 22702 2019
193 521 Donau 22660 2019
193 522 Elbe 22661 2019
193 523 Lahn 22662 2019
193 524 Limmat 22663 2019
193 525 Rotterdam 22711 2020
193 526 Maas 22712 2020
193 527 Main 22716 2020

193 530 22726 2020
193 531 22727 2020
193 532 22730 2020


Re: Driver killed in BLS collision in Germany

Ewan Tait
 

On Fri, 3 Apr 2020 at 15:17, csipromo via groups.io
<csipromo=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

Apparently the bridge had already been demolished. The accident involved a prefabricated concrete slab that was part of the new bridge that was either being put into place or had very recently been put into place.
Mike,

No, this was the bridge being demolished that collapsed. The deck was
meant to be getting taken out this weekend. The new bridge has been
built several hundred metres to the south.

https://www.badische-zeitung.de/zugunglueck-bei-auggen-mehrere-verletzte-grosseinsatz-laeuft

Regards,
Ewan

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