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Ee 3/3

Martin Baumann
 

16383 and 16410 were withdrawn from Chur (hauled away by 11140) on Wednesday. This means there is only one active loco left on SBB: 16406 at Bellinzona. It has an adapter coupler at one end so that it can be used to move FLIRT units if required


Re: Re 4/4 II and III

gordonwis
 

On Thursday, 23 July 2020, 12:15:36 BST, Gbgen <gbgen@hotmail.com> wrote:
Thanks for the info on 420.207, that wasn't previously reported here. I just checked. Is it known where she currently is? Your wording implies, without specifically stating, that repairs have not been started nor authorised.
It is in Bellinzona works for assessment


Re: Re 4/4 II and III

Gbgen
 

Thanks for the info on 420.207, that wasn't previously reported here. I just checked. Is it known where she currently is? Your wording implies, without specifically stating, that repairs have not been started nor authorised.


Re: SBB obs plus MGB/MOB/BLS bits

Guerbetaler
 

Am 23.07.2020 um 07:46 schrieb Mark Torkington:
from the interrail app offline timetable that a lot of us when abroad
As indicated on the interrail website, this timetable doesn't reflect all the changes made due to Corona. So, to be sure your train is running, check the national timetable a short time before departure.

I was told that Jungfrau region will reduce train numbers again. The same thing may happen at other places. And not all GEX have been reintroduced.

Markus


Re: SBB / RhB / MGB bits

gordonwis
 

On Monday, 20 July 2020, 21:28:21 BST, Mark Torkington <mtorkington@hotmail.com> wrote:
A few units did put in appearances on loco hauled turns, although I presume that was down to reduced demand at the moment as I didn’t notice any new units in traffic.
To be fair, even without reduced demand RhB trains occasionally not working with their diagrammed power (or their diagrammed stock) has been happening on the RhB (especially the Albula) for some years now as there is so much gradual transition going on (eg Alvra being introduced but with only gradual upgrade of Ge4/4III locos possible


Re: SBB obs plus MGB/MOB/BLS bits

Guerbetaler
 

Am 23.07.2020 um 07:46 schrieb Mark Torkington:
These were taken from the interrail app offline timetable that a lot of us when abroad. Maybe you should direct your rant towards the SBB / Interrail data coding people rather than people who are just trying to post some sightings?
Thank you, I will take that, as I'm in regular contact with SBB people of this sector.

Markus


Re: SBB obs plus MGB/MOB/BLS bits

Mark Torkington
 

>>>sorry for the rant, but that's R 211 and PE 2111. It's really not helpful to use abbreviations that are misleading or not >>>known at all. Thank you.

These were taken from the interrail app offline timetable that a lot of us when abroad. Maybe you should direct your rant towards the SBB / Interrail data coding people rather than people who are just trying to post some sightings?  

Cheers

Mark


Re: SBB / RhB / MGB bits

Guerbetaler
 

Am 22.07.2020 um 16:30 schrieb Guerbetaler:
So, be aware that things can always change.
It seems that on Friday Deh 24 has to replace the HGe 4/4" in the Oberalp turn. Thus Deh 23 and 24 plus one Komet will do all Regios there.

Markus


Re: SBB / RhB / MGB bits

Guerbetaler
 

Am 20.07.2020 um 23:30 schrieb Guerbetaler:
The diagram is 550-860, next day 819-824-831-836-843-848-855-569,
also 211-272, but this may be the same consist several days. I only saw
that once in Andermatt within 7 days.
BDt 2241-B 2289- B 2283- A 2071
BDt 2242-B 2290- B 2286- A 2074
BD 2296-B 4262- B 4257- A 2075
It seems that the reintroduction of a second pair of GEX and the wreckage of 105 lead to some changes in the MGB charts. Today 211 was planned for a Komet-EMU (ABDeh) and 272 for a motor luggage van (Deh). 276 was planned for an ABDeh instead of Deh.

So, be aware that things can always change.

Markus


Re: Voralpen Express coaches sold to Hungary

csipromo
 

A post on DSO has some photos of the current appearance of the ex-VAE coaches used by LE Train des Mouettes:
https://www.drehscheibe-online.de/foren/read.php?031,9391901

The post also includes a link to another DSO post (about the MAV ex-VAE coaches) which includes this link to Facebook, showing the new livery of the coaches there:
https://www.facebook.com/mavnosztalgia/photos/a.1447499425514116/2685751358355577/

Regards

Mike C


Re: SBB obs plus MGB/MOB/BLS bits

Guerbetaler
 

Am 22.07.2020 um 13:31 schrieb Mark Torkington:
MGB 21 RE211
MOB 6003 FT2111
sorry for the rant, but that's R 211 and PE 2111. It's really not helpful to use abbreviations that are misleading or not known at all. Thank you.

For what it’s worth, trains are fairly busy with locals but not at
pre-covid levels and everyone is wearing facemasks on them. On the
vast majority of trains I got a bay of 4 to myself and not a single
train was full and standing, even at rush hour.
Overall patronage was last reported around 80% of normal. However, on single trains or lines it's less than 50% (especially Jungfraujoch) but others are rather above the normal. I heard of a train in Goms where people sat on the floor. In general 1st class is less, as all the Interrail and Eurailpass holders etc. are not there. Number of guests in many Swiss holiday regions is equal or higher than normal because very many Swiss family make holidays in their own country. I read reports from Appenzell where locals say they have never heard so much French speaking (guests from Western Switzerland) before.

Facemasks are mandatory in public transport, but you are allowed to remove it when eating or drinking. ;-)

Markus


SBB obs plus MGB/MOB/BLS bits

Mark Torkington
 

Tuesday 21st
MGB 21 RE211
The 2 BLS 420 turns were 501/2
MOB 6003 FT2111

And then SBB stuff seen between yesterday afternoon and this morning in the Zurich / Basel area:

420 204/5/6/9/10/11/13/14/15/18/20/24
11112/16/22/24/28/31/32/33/39/46/49/53/301
421 383

For what it’s worth, trains are fairly busy with locals but not at pre-covid levels and everyone is wearing facemasks on them. On the vast majority of trains I got a bay of 4 to myself and not a single train was full and standing, even at rush hour. The longer distance trains and ECs were worst hit with most running around nearly empty, especially in the evenings and the more tourist orientated stuff (Glacier Exp etc) are particularly quiet due to the lack of foreign tourists.

Thanks as always to those who’ve posted the diagrams, gen and answered questions etc. Photos to follow.

Cheers

Mark


Re 4/4 II and III

Martin Baumann
 

420 207 was stopped after a collision with a 450 set at Zürich Herdern 11.07.2019 . its authority to run expired 24.01.2020 as on that date it had gone the maximum six years without a revision or TK

Meanwhile 11356 (420 356) , out of service since the start of June, has returned to service


Re: Dispozug Lausannne

David Prior
 

On 21 Jul 2020, at 15:59, Gbgen <gbgen@hotmail.com> wrote:

Some Re4/4 that were formerly working off Lausanne have been seen on Zurich diagrams recently, including 11157, 11191 and 11196.
Agree.

11157, 11158, 11159, 11191, 11198 all noted working out of Basel (except 11191 which was in Zürich) in recent months.

Bring on 11172 and 11194 !


Re: Dispozug Lausannne

Guerbetaler
 

Am 21.07.2020 um 15:47 schrieb Gbgen:
Some Re4/4 that were formerly working off Lausanne have been seen on
Zurich diagrams recently, including 11157, 11191 and 11196. Even
greater surplus now, surely withdrawals must be imminent?
All those with numbers < 11156 haven't got the latest updates and are due to withdrawal.

Not sure of the future of the Lions as more than a few are 7+ years
out of works and looking decidedly shabby. 420.207 has been out of
traffic for well over a year now, not looking good.
No replacement has been ordered until now.

Markus


Re: Dispozug Lausannne

Gbgen
 

Some Re4/4 that were formerly working off Lausanne have been seen on Zurich diagrams recently, including 11157, 11191 and 11196. Even greater surplus now, surely withdrawals must be imminent?
Not sure of the future of the Lions as more than a few are 7+ years out of works and looking decidedly shabby. 420.207 has been out of traffic for well over a year now, not looking good.


Re: SBB / RhB / MGB bits

Guerbetaler
 

Am 20.07.2020 um 21:37 schrieb Mark Torkington:
23 RE839
4 GEX905
101 RE836
103 GEX904
Unit RE840
53 RE553
96 RE642 (Groschenen)
54 RE644 (Groschenen)
Unit RE557
53 RE648 (Groschenen)
55 RE561
81 Furka Pass car train
With the exception of 53, most stuff seemed to turn back and return
from where it came at both Disentis / Mustér and Andermatt. The
shorter distance local trains around Brig etc were all seen with
units.
23 and 101 at the Oberalp (800 trains) is correct.

Schöllenenbahn (600) to Göschenen (!) was worked all day by 53 and 54, the days before it was 54 and 91.

Would 53 have gone with 553, it wouldn't have been back in time to do 648. So change 553 and 642 and it is correct. And btw these trains are not RE but R. GEX appear in the graphic timetable as PE (PE is the train category, GEX is the train name).

51 and 52 work Fiesch - Zermatt

Three out of 55, 92, 94 and 96 work the Goms trains (500), 53 was there as well the days before.

96 had the module today, so it couldn't go down the Schöllenen.
4193-4284-4159-4218-4281-96. Photos available. The diagram is 514-533-534-553-554-573, the last two without the additional coaches.

93 is in the workshop in Andermatt, 95 was involved in the collision.

Track use in Andermatt is currently
1 = GEX
2 = Oberalp
3 = Göschenen
4 = Goms - Visp

Exception is the evening train 855-569 working through from Disentis to Visp and using track 1. 550-860, which is the same in the other direction, uses track 2. These are the only not-push-pull consists apart from GEX. They stand in Andermatt, side-by-side at 18:25. Photo available.

The diagram is 550-860, next day 819-824-831-836-843-848-855-569,
also 211-272, but this may be the same consist several days. I only saw that once in Andermatt within 7 days.
BDt 2241-B 2289- B 2283- A 2071
BDt 2242-B 2290- B 2286- A 2074
BD 2296-B 4262- B 4257- A 2075

Markus


SBB / RhB / MGB bits

Mark Torkington
 

SBB Saturday 18th
Couple of 421s viewed whilst passing through Zürich:
421 394 EC195
421 383 IC486

RhB
Seen in service between 18th to 20th were:

611/12/13/15/16/17/18/21/22/23/24/25/26/30/31
641/642/643/645/646/659

A few units did put in appearances on loco hauled turns, although I presume that was down to reduced demand at the moment as I didn’t notice any new units in traffic. The biggest bowl out by units was today when the early morning 701 turn from Chur to Samedan turned up with an Allegra unit and 3 freight wagons! The other 701 turn I covered (Saturdays St Moritz to Landquart) was at least a 611...

Krokodil 414 was out as booked on Sunday but thanks to Dave’s gen the night before I didn’t waste my time going for the Rheinschlucht train.

MGB
Seen today whilst on route from the RhB to Brig:

23 RE839
4 GEX905
101 RE836
103 GEX904
Unit RE840
53 RE553
96 RE642 (Groschenen)
54 RE644 (Groschenen)
Unit RE557
53 RE648 (Groschenen)
55 RE561
81 Furka Pass car train

With the exception of 53, most stuff seemed to turn back and return from where it came at both Disentis / Mustér and Andermatt. The shorter distance local trains around Brig etc were all seen with units.

Cheers

Mark


Re: Voralpen Express coaches sold to Hungary

csipromo
 

A photo of the latest 4 to be transferred can be found here:

https://bahnbilder.ch/picture/37025

Regards

Mike C


Re: Serious accident on MGB

Martin Baumann
 

As reported on BAHNFORUM SCHWEIZ the formation of the Regional Train in the accident was as follows:

4154 - 4283 - 4153 - 4213 - 4279 - 95

1241 - 1260 of 29085