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re SBB Cargo locos

Martin Baumann
 


The 421s with one exception have never had a full (R3) overhaul so are in not as great a conditon as some of the older locos


Re: SBB Cargo locos (421 374)

csipromo
 

I wonder if it will get a distinctive yellow livery like the 487 did? If not, it would be nice to see it in classic green.

Regards

Mike C


Re: SBB Cargo locos

csipromo
 

There goes another one of my Maerklin models that can no longer be prototypically used for it's original purpose...

That was the one that was pulling my SBB EC Bavaria. I guess that it was going to be replaced when the new special livery Re 421 came out.
I guess I will retrograde 374 to pulling the EC in the original livery.

Back to the real thing...
It would seem to me that the 421s being the most recent of the series delivered, that they would be in better shape than some of the older ones dating back to 1969.

Regards

Mike C


Re: New livery for Passenger coaches and maybe Trainsets?

gordonwis
 

On Saturday, 31 October 2020, 07:31:16 GMT, csipromo via groups.io <csipromo=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
During their refit, IC2000 coaches are being repainted in a new white livery with black window band and red stripe at the roofline.
I have also seen photos of at least one EWIV with red doors, a black window band from end to end and a similar red stripe at the top edge of the roofline.
Is this new livery being applied to EWIV as well as the IC2000 and will it eventually also include the Apm and Bpm EC?
Yes, EWIV were already being repainted at least as early as April 2019.


Re: SBB Cargo locos

Martin Baumann
 

421 374 has been sold to Swiss Rail Traffic. It will probably go for overhaul before use as its authority to run without an overhaul expires on December 18th this year


New livery for Passenger coaches and maybe Trainsets?

csipromo
 

During their refit, IC2000 coaches are being repainted in a new white livery with black window band and red stripe at the roofline.
I have also seen photos of at least one EWIV with red doors, a black window band from end to end and a similar red stripe at the top edge of the roofline.

Is this new livery being applied to EWIV as well as the IC2000 and will it eventually also include the Apm and Bpm EC?

Will this also make an appearance on ICN, Astoro, Giruno, Kiss, Flirt, etc? The Kiss livery is very similar to that of the IC2000.

Regards

Mike C


Re: Station building plans

Rob
 

There are drawings of Muelenen, Heustrich and Frutigen station buildings in "Die Bahnen der BLS-Gruppe, Geschichte und Rollmaterial", vol 1.1 by Dieter Schöpfer. A fw more in roll 1.2. The few dimensions that are there are very hard to read. Certain dimensions are probably standard and some pro-rata scaling would probably be accurate enough.


Re: Station building plans

Alan McMillan
 

Mülenen station is very interesting. And have a look at photos of this station in 2007 and then in 2013!
<https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:M%C3%BClenen_railway_station>
That is a great set of pictures Markus and just the sort of thing I was looking for.
Thank you and everyone else who has helped me with this. It's much appreciated!

Alan


Re: Station building plans

Alan McMillan
 

-----Original Message-----
From: main@SwissRail.groups.io [mailto:main@SwissRail.groups.io] On Behalf Of csipromo via groups.io
Is he looking for external dimensions or internal diagrams (layout)?
Regards
Mike Cherna
Hi
I'm looking for both actually.

Regards

Alan McMillan


Re: 25 more Vectron for BLS

Martin Baumann
 

91 85 4475 424-8 CH-BLSC works number 22895


Re: What is this coach (SBB)

Guerbetaler
 

Am 28.10.2020 um 03:17 schrieb csipromo via groups.io:
I found another photo of a very similar coach:
http://www.polier.ch/Fotoarchiv/W/WerderR/37/37N-37R/37O-015.jpg
Different livery and the WC seems to have been removed, but otherwise
it seems to match.
X 30 85 97-00 211-6
ex WR 50 85 88-33 000-3
ex WR 10001
ex Br4ü 10001
ex Cr4ü 10001, SWS 1937

So this was the only one directly delivered as buffet car.

Four of the five buffet cars were rebuilt for the substations, first numbered 30 85 97-00 209-212, then renumbered 80 85 9803 202-205

17 more were later added as direct conversions from B 29-33 to Xas. Finally they looked like the former buffet cars. so you may still find many photos of "FUW" = Fahrbare Unterwerke, among them my photo from 2007 that I published on Wiki-commons.

<https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:SBB-FUW_Neuch%C3%A2tel-Serri%C3%A8res_20070902S209a.jpg>

This was probably Xas 80 85 9803 208-0 and at the left transformer wagon Xaa 80 85 9403 108-6.

Today only the transformer wagons remain, control gear is now in containers. Thus, Xas 80 85 9803 206-223 have vanished.

Markus, Gürbetal


Re: RhB : service changes Weds 28/10

David Prior
 

A later set of diagrams seems to have been issued for today (28.10).

641 on 4109 starting Tiefencastel
619 on 1326, 1335, 1350, 1359
705 on 1358
706 on 7109 as below

On 27 Oct 2020, at 18:50, David Prior wrote:

Following the derailment reported in previous posts, there is a certain amount of diagram replanning on Weds.

4109 05:10 Chur-Samedan appears to run as 7109F ... I assume means no passengers and via Klosters

Bizarrely, both 602 and 610 are shown on the same St Moritz-Landquart diagram :
1326 08:46 St M-LQ
1335 11:20 LQ-St M
1350 14:47 St M-LQ
1359 17:20 LQ-St M

Chur-Thusis : 647 / 642
St.Moritz-Tiefencastel : 642 / 3511 / 631 / 643


Re: What is this coach (SBB)

csipromo
 

I found another photo of a very similar coach: http://www.polier.ch/Fotoarchiv/W/WerderR/37/37N-37R/37O-015.jpg

Different livery and the WC seems to have been removed, but otherwise it seems to match.

Regards

Mike C


Re: RhB : service changes Weds 28/10

Bill Bolton
 

On Tue, 27 Oct 2020 22:44:26 +0000, Mick wrote:

It seems strange to have used these old locos rather than more recent ones - any idea why?
Quite probably because they are not diagramed for normal scheduled
services and can be most easily deployed on unscheduled services
arising from disruptions etc.

Cheers,

Bill


Re: SOB Revvivo Coach

Guerbetaler
 

Am 27.10.2020 um 23:47 schrieb csipromo via groups.io:
Can you clarify when the coaches would have had which markings 50 47, 50 48. I seem to recall some rolling stock also had 50 62.
The EW IV were delivered with 50 62 numbers but renumbered after a few months. into
50 47 for SOB
50 48 for BT
After merger all vehicles got 50 48 numbers.

2013 numbers changed to 50 85 an many vehicles had to be renumbered, in order to avoid doubles with vheicles of other companies.

Markus


Re: RhB derailment at Sils

Toma Bacic
 

Alvra cab car At 57805 is heavily damaged.

regards
toma


Re: RhB : service changes Weds 28/10

Mick Sasse
 

It seems strange to have used these old locos rather than more recent ones - any idea why? (Not that I am complaining!)

Thanks
Mick


Re: SOB Revvivo Coach

csipromo
 

Thanks for the clarification. I did not know specifically about the two extra Revvivo Bs ordered to go with the RBDe 566.
When I first rode the VAE (1998). There was one consist which had a SOB BRD and one EWIVA and three EWIVB. There were 2 other consists, one with SOB BRD, one BT EWIVA and 3 EWIVB, one with BT BRD, EWIVA and EWIVB and AFAIR one that had SBB EWIV coaches and a BT BRD. I think that one consist was held as reserve each day while the remaining sets were in bi-hourly operation.
As far as I remember, two of the original BD had been converted to pilot coaches by the BT (I don't remember the date) and two had been sold to the SOB in the 1980s and had been running as BDt pilot coaches since then. The BT pilot coaches were running with either the so-called married pair coaches or with regular BT EWI stock. Other BT consists were running using one of the ABt from the original BDe EAV acquisitions and the other was running on the renovated ABt 141 rebuilt out of an older pilot coach.

I have seen photos of the models (and my Wabu coaches) have different UIC numbers. Can you clarify when the coaches would have had which markings 50 47, 50 48. I seem to recall some rolling stock also had 50 62.

This is information that I remember seeing on a website, but that website, like a lot of others from 1998-2010 is no longer actively hosted.

Regards

Mike C


Re: RhB derailment at Sils

Guerbetaler
 

Am 27.10.2020 um 09:54 schrieb Martin Baumann:
A driver was seriously injured last night after a train, believed to be 1164 with an AGZ driving trailer leading, hit a rockfall.
The coaches were re-railed and reached Landquart on their own wheels. However, the unit concerned, 5705 (including At 57805) might be missing for some time.

Markus


Re: RhB : service changes Weds 28/10

Martin Baumann
 

602+610 were paired up on those trains due to the increased load (13 coaches) caused by all passengers from St Moritz being diverted via Landquart

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