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Re: Gotthardbahn

Andrew Moglestue
 

As far as I know there are no freight sidings being along the old route that are still served, not even sporadically.

One exception is in connection with the construction of the second Gotthard road tunnel, with some of the spoils being moved out by rail and the trans-shipped onto barges in Flüelen to be deposited in various locations in the lake as an anti erosion measure (much of the NEAT material was similarly disposed). But even this seems to be an on-off thing, as some of the spoils are being moved to other locations that are not rail-served.


Re: Gotthardbahn

csipromo
 

I was under the understanding that there were still freights over the old route if those trains included loads that were not authorized for the base tunnel. I don't know if this has changed over the past few years.

Are all the SOB services running over the original line or are some using the base tunnel?
I thought that there were GPE services running both north-south and south-north each day.
Is the train running to and from Arth-Goldau or is it still running Flüelen to Lugano with boat transfer to/from Luzern?

Regards

Mike C


Gotthardbahn

Guerbetaler
 

I got this question in private, but it might be of general interest. And perhaps there are amendments, as I live near the Lötschberg, not the Gotthard...(my last short visit in Göschenen was in July)

Because of that I would like to ask you - are there any regular freights over the old Gotthard route? And also, any loco hauled
services at all?
Rather not. Old Gotthard line has become a regional mountain line. You might find a few local freight trains and there had been a scrap train or something similar that took the old route. But I don't know, if this is still running. It's quiet now in Göschenen.

The only loco hauled, scheduled passenger train is the Gotthard Panorama Express (PE 3093), 1st class only, with supplement, reservation needed, running daily except Monday from 17 April - 24 October, also 24 May (Whitsun Monday), Arth-Goldau dp. 13:30.

Markus


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Re: SBB Steuerwagen BDt (EWI, EWII) Question

Martin Baumann
 

Thanks, SBB record keeping is not what it was


Re: Re 4/4 II Passenger in 2021 timetable

Martin Baumann
 

On Thu, Nov 26, 2020 at 02:02 PM, Martin Baumann wrote:


Region Basel
IC 3: 550, 555, 590, 595
S: 17042, 17046, 17313 (Olten)
S: 17065, 17066 (Stein-Säckingen)
S: 17054, 17055, 17057, 17082, 17084, 17086 (Delémont)
550,555,590,595 will not be Re 4/4 II after 28.03
The other trains listed will be loco for the last time on April 2nd. When they resume after Easter they will be 560 units


Re: SBB Steuerwagen BDt (EWI, EWII) Question

Guerbetaler
 

Am 17.01.2021 um 16:11 schrieb Martin Baumann:
When was 92-33 939 withdrawn?
02.03.2006


Re: SBB Steuerwagen BDt (EWI, EWII) Question

Martin Baumann
 

When was 92-33 939 withdrawn? It is not mentioned in the list above. It was still in stock 01.01.2003 but was not 01.01.2009. It is missing from the VRS pdf files.


Re: RhB Ge 6/6 II (701 Class)

Martin Baumann
 

On Fri, Jan 8, 2021 at 05:56 PM, Martin Baumann wrote:


705 was stopped today. 08.01, and will now be used for parts
Correction: 705 has been stored serviceable and may return to service if a shortage of locos develops later in the year


Re: RhB Ge 6/6 II (701 Class)

tudor erich
 

701,705,706 which one next?


Re: New trainsets for the Centovalli railway

Guerbetaler
 

Am 08.01.2021 um 20:05 schrieb Marco van Uden via groups.io:
The "toblerones" are owned by the Italians and it is not yet known if
SSIF will also buy new trainset
SSIF often bought old trainsets from FART and FLP.

Markus, Gürbetal


Re: New Bozberg Tunnel

Andrew Moglestue
 

I don't think the objective was ever to shorten the distance, but to make the route usable by freight trains with greater clearances.

As a side effect the old tunnel will serve as a service and emergency access and evacuation tunnel, so increasing safety.


Re: New trainsets for the Centovalli railway

Mick Sasse
 

Thanks, Markus - very helpful (if not what I'd like to have heard....!)

Mick


Re: New trainsets for the Centovalli railway

Marco van Uden
 

Look at the current stock list and you will know...
http://www.railfaneurope.net/list/switzerland/switzerland_fart.html

The "toblerones" are owned by the Italians and it is not yet known if SSIF will also buy new trainset. They are only 14 years old...
Marco


Re: New Bozberg Tunnel

George Raymond
 

Spending an undoubtedly huge sum of money to build a tunnel that only shortens the route by less than twenty metres seems a tad profligate to me.
The main rationale was to open the tunnel and thus the route to trains carrying truck trailers that are the standard 4 metres high at the corners.

George




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Re: New Bozberg Tunnel

Guerbetaler
 

Am 06.01.2021 um 14:59 schrieb Alan McMillan:
Spending an undoubtedly huge sum of money to build a tunnel that only
shortens the route by less than twenty metres seems a tad profligate
to me.
Perhaps, before ranting about tunnel meters, maybe you should have asked, WHY the new tunnel was built at all. Now, I tell you, the reason was only to widen the profile. It would have been built, even it would have /added/ 18 m to the distance between Hamburg and Reggio di Calabria.

Before a decision was taken, a study was made, if it would be better to enlarge the existing bore or to build a new one. Investment would have been similar but the restriction during the building time weighed out any difference. This was, BTW, similar with the Albula tunnel.

Markus, Gürbetal


Re: New trainsets for the Centovalli railway

Guerbetaler
 

Am 08.01.2021 um 12:46 schrieb Mick Sasse:
Does anybody have a sense as to which fleet these will be replacing?
In a first line it's very clear
The four three-car units replace ABe 4/6 52-54 in regional trains in the
Swiss part
The four four-car units replace ABe 4/8 45-48 in international trains.

But this doesn't answer the question if SSIF will buy these 7 trains as
a complement to their technically identical ABe 4/6 61-64, to finally
replace their ABe 8/8 21-24 (21-22 ex-FART) and ABe 6/6 33-35 (ex-FLP)

If they were to oust those rather nasty SSIF "Panorama" units (ones
with the Toblerone-style profile!), then I for one would not
weep....
These are the most recent vehicles of SSIF. thus you can't expect them to be replaced soon. Unfortunately.

Markus, Gürbetal


Re: New trainsets for the Centovalli railway

Mick Sasse
 

Does anybody have a sense as to which fleet these will be replacing? If they were to oust those rather nasty SSIF "Panorama" units (ones with the Toblerone-style profile!), then I for one would not weep....

Thanks!
Mick


Re: New Bozberg Tunnel

Alan McMillan
 

Spending an undoubtedly huge sum of money to build a tunnel that only shortens the route by less than twenty metres seems a tad profligate to me.


Re: RhB Ge 6/6 II (701 Class)

Martin Baumann
 

705 was stopped today. 08.01, and will now be used for parts

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