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Re: OT: Geltendorf - Lindau electrification

csipromo
 

Some traffic went through Memmingen and some through Kempten. The new electrification means that all EC trains now go on that route.
There was a pretty elaborate article on Zurich-Munich traffic in Bahn Profil around 2000.

I will try to dig it up.

The electrification and improvements mean that trains can travel faster and this has not only lessened the time, but has allowed for more frequent connections.

Check back later and I will post what I can find.

Regards

Mike C


OT: Geltendorf - Lindau electrification

Toma Bacic
 

Hello all!
Some questions regarding the Geltendorf - Lindau electrification project!
- what was the best travelling time between Zürich and München before the electrification? Which route was used by Zürich and München services - through Memmingen or through Kempten?

Thank you and kind regards
Toma

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Re: RhB Ge 6/6 II (701 Class)

Martin Baumann
 

On Sat, Feb 13, 2021 at 04:01 PM, David Prior wrote:


704 showing as on repair, now since Jan 18th, ominously.
704 is allegedly the one RhB intend to keep as a museum loco


Re: RhB Ge 6/6 II (701 Class)

Guerbetaler
 

Am 13.02.2021 um 18:08 schrieb gordonwis via groups.io:
The pairing of the two Ge4/4 I represents a combined age of 134 years!
This must be a British addition based on imperial measurements :-)

In Switzerland, 68 + 68 = 136

605 was put in service on 12.03.1953, 610 on 03.07.1953
The photo was taken on 12.02.2021

2021 - 1953 = 68

If you prefer counting the days: 24809 + 24696 = 49505

Markus


Re: RhB Ge 6/6 II (701 Class)

gordonwis
 

Also notable that both 605 and 610 are 12 years older than all but two of the Ge6/6II ! The pairing of the two GE4/4 I represents a combined age of 134 years!


Re: RhB Ge 6/6 II (701 Class)

David Prior
 

Notable in respect of the comment and photo below about pairing of 610/605, is that this combination was booked to work 4367 20:02 Kloster-Samedan last Tues, Feb 9th. They have been diagrammed together daily as replacement power for a Ge 6/6 duty on Fri 5th, Mon-Fri 8th-12th.

702/703/707 are the only ones still actively diagrammed, with 705/706 out of service and 704 showing as on repair, now since Jan 18th, ominously.

On 13 Feb 2021, at 00:53, Guerbetaler wrote:
But the demise of the first Ge 6/6 II brings back MUs of Ge 4/4 I !
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Samedan_RhB_605-610_20210212E455.jpg


Re: RhB Ge 6/6 II (701 Class)

Guerbetaler
 

Am 12.02.2021 um 22:08 schrieb Martin Baumann:
TV news report from 12.02 on the scrapping of 701.
703 is still at work.

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Samedan_RhB-703_20210211E292.jpg

But the demise of the first Ge 6/6 II brings back MUs of Ge 4/4 I !

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Samedan_RhB_605-610_20210212E455.jpg

But I also like this:

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Punt_Muragl_RhB-3121_20210208E142.jpg

Markus


Re: RhB Ge 6/6 II (701 Class)

Stefan Dringenberg
 

Hi all,

Martin Baumann wrote:
TV news report from 12.02 on the scrapping of 701. It is largely in Rumantsch. It starts at 3:46 and does not work on IE

https://tinyurl.com/2cwfxroe (SRF Telesguard)
Another sad proof on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZa_km4Z-EA

*sniff*
  Stefan


Re: RhB Ge 6/6 II (701 Class)

Martin Baumann
 

TV news report from 12.02 on the scrapping of 701. It is largely in Rumantsch. It starts at 3:46 and does not work on IE

https://tinyurl.com/2cwfxroe (SRF Telesguard)


Re: SOB Farewell Parade of 6 Re 456

Guerbetaler
 

Am 12.02.2021 um 17:39 schrieb David:
What is the location of the film?
It starts just outside Herisau, over the Glatt viaduct, locally called Cylanderviadukt, because of the big factory underneath. It goes up part of the line to Schachen.

https://map.geo.admin.ch/?lang=en&topic=ech&bgLayer=ch.swisstopo.pixelkarte-farbe&E=2738486&N=1250300&zoom=8&crosshair=marker

Second part is around the Weissenbach viaduct near Degersheim

https://map.geo.admin.ch/?lang=en&topic=ech&bgLayer=ch.swisstopo.pixelkarte-farbe&E=2734477&N=1248626&zoom=8&crosshair=marker

Markus


Barley for Brauerei Feldschlösschen at Rheinfelden

yatton123
 

Another glimpse over the bridge at Muttenz.
A regular train into Basel Muttenz from France is a weekly train of malting barley for 
Brauerei Feldschlösschen at Rheinfelden from Les Malteries Franco-Belges (now owned by
Groupe Soufflet) at Brazey-En-Plaine. Last year this ran as 44561 (SO) to Basel Muttenz D and 44562 (MO) from Basel Muttenz G, the empties from Rheinfelden to Muttenz G ran as 62052 (FO).The consist is Uagps 33 87 933x (polybulk wagons) owned by Groupe Soufflet and is hauled by a SNCF/Akiem 370xx to and from Basel.Up to early 2018 this was a Europorte service which brought 37 5xxs to Muttenz and was FO in both directions. A very slick operation, loaded train into Muttenz D,detach loco, run light engine to Muttenz G, attach to waiting empties and off.


Re: SOB Farewell Parade of 6 Re 456

David
 

What is the location of the film?

David


SOB Farewell Parade of 6 Re 456

Clive Dean
 

Great video of the retiring locos: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9BMEbCOzU4


Re: French sugar trains via Basel and some recent freight news

csipromo
 

I know that TXL had been using the former Crossrail 186 9XX which they had leased from SBB/Cargologic/BLS.
Under the Crossrail bankruptcy, they had gone to SBB Cargo, but were not needed, so they were leased to other operators.
SBB Cargo and BLS have agreed to use at least a few of the former Crossrail 186 to pull the RAlpin Rola trains between Weil am Rhein and Novara, freeing up the Re 485 for other uses and allowing BLS to retire a greater number of their Re 4/4 (425). Additional RAlpiin Rolas are still being pulled by Re 485, leaving the 486 and Vectrons to handle container traffic. BLS can additional still rely on some leased 186 1XX (Railpool) and may still have a few 187.

I don't know if TXL still has access to any of the ex-Crossrail 186 or whether they have had to lease additional locomotives.
TXL used to operate their own trains using leased ES64F4 and ES64U class locomotives from Dispolok and MRCE.

Regards

Mike C


Re: French sugar trains via Basel and some recent freight news

yatton123
 

The most recent Cemat wagons, Swiss registered (CH -Cemat) pocket wagon twins, carry the Mercitalia Intermodal logo. In January 2018 Cemat ,being part of the Mercitalia Group, was re-branded as Mercitalia Intermodal.
The TX Logistik service runs on the Gotthard route and is normally hauled by a Railpool 186 10x, although I saw one video with a Railpool 187 double heading a 186. From YouTube videos it looks like the 186 also works into Italy.


Re: French sugar trains via Basel and some recent freight news

csipromo
 

Is CEMAT still a joint venture between Mercitalia (Trenitalia Cargo) and Hupac?
Do you have more information about who will be operating the TX Logistics service (outside Italy) and whether it will be using the Brenner or Gotthard corridors?

Regards

Mike C


French sugar trains via Basel and some recent freight news

yatton123
 

There are block trains of sugar between France and Italy via Basel.
Forwardis organise a service to Mantova Frassine for Tereos which originally (2017) came from the closed sugar refinery (used for storage) at Valleroy/Meaux. More recently Tereos'  Boiry sugar refinery at Boisleux has been used for loading.The service uses Paganella S.p.A 30' containers on single container flats. Initially the service was Touax 33 53 4557 Sgns wagons , later some Atir (ex TRW) 33 88 4552 9xx Sgnss were included. These two types still continue in use although at the end of last year some new Turkish built Atir 37 84 4552 Sgnss (hired by Forwardis) started to be used.Sometimes this service goes to Mortara.
A second set of trains for Cristal Union are operated by Mercitalia Intermodal S.p.A (Cemat) and run from the Arcis sur Aube and Sillery sugar refineries to two locations in Italy,Novara and Russi.These services use Intermodaltrasporti 30' containers. The wagons are a mixture of Cemat's own 33 83 4575 Sgnss and 33 83 4961/2 Sggmrss together with a mixed bag of AAEC (both 68 and 80) mainly 60' singles. 
The Russi site was previously owned by Eridania Italia S.p.A and in later years had an agreement with Tate & Lyle for packaging their sugar.This brought ex Rover 33 70 4739 wagons working through to Italy from Britain. Later Eridania was taken over by Cristal Union and the site is used for packaging French sugar. Part of the site is now used for a biomass plant owned by PowerCrop.
A couple of recent snippets of freight news are that Hupac have signed a co-operation agreement with Logtainer to increase rail container trains between the Ligurian ports and southern Germany. There is currently a service operated by PSA Genova Pra' S.p.A from Genova to Frenkendorf which is now well loaded. It started in Ocober 2018 but initially carried very few conainers (I saw one train with four containers).
A second note is that TxLogisticstarted a service from Bologna to Köln Nord in January.
The service is for semi trailers of P400 profile.From what I've seen on YouTube Arcese and Fercam are the main users at present.
SMET S.p.A. have said they are ''purchasing 300 new maxi-volume eco trailers from Real Trailer Krone Italia, with P400 profile which will enter the group's fleet from February 2021. " and that they want to use the service  - time (and YouTube) will tell.


New BLT Trams

Martin Baumann
 

BLT have ordered 25 trams from Stadler. They will be delivered 2023-2025 and be a new model called TINA

They will be 7 section 45.5 metres long 96 seats plus 7 folding seats and 160 standing. 5 ?? bogies ?? ("Fahrwerke") of which 4 will be powered


Re: RhB Ge 6/6 II (701 Class)

Martin Baumann
 

701 was scrapped today, 10.02.2021

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