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Re: RhB Ge 6/6 II (701 Class)
On Fri, Feb 12, 2021 at 09:08 PM, Martin Baumann wrote:
German version here: https://www.srf.ch/play/tv/sendung/schweiz-aktuell?id=cb28dd84-f0c8-4024-8f20-1a29f5a4ceb7
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Re: OT: Geltendorf - Lindau electrification
Toma Bacic
Thank you!
Btw - the travelling time today is 4:02, but DB and SBB plans to reduce the travelling time to 3:30. Any info what the next steps in modernization will be to cut additional 30 minutes? Thank you and regards toma
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OT: Srbija Voz, Stadler KISS speculations
Toma Bacic
Serbian passenger company Srbija Voz announced on Feb 11 a tender for three 200 km/h double deck EMUs for the Beograd - Novi Sad services. Although the company signed a Mou with CRRC on Jan 6 for the procuring the new trains, the technical details requested in tender are identical as on Stadler KISS 4-car units. Number of (well informed) media in Serbia said that the new trainsets would be manufactured by Stadler... The problem is that the requested delivery time is very short - the first should be delivered to Serbia no later than October 31 this year, and the remaining two by the end of the year. Now, my question is - are all ex-Westbahn 200 km/h KISSes in DB, or some are still stored, and theoretically could be delivered to Serbia? And also, are there any possibility for Stadler to deliver the new trainsets in such a short period of time? regards toma -- ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::+385 (0) 98 81 55 61 ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::Zagreb
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Re: Remaining older SBB coaches
Javier Pena
Thanks a lot for the list, Martin.
Cheers, Javier
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Re: FW: another Swiss find
Guerbetaler
Am 26.02.2021 um 17:58 schrieb csipromo via groups.io:
The fourth one was off-white with a blue band with a white front andhttps://igschieneschweiz.startbilder.de/bild/schweiz~strecken~250-lausanne-romont-fribourg-bern/693636/die-vier-npz-prototypen-erschienen-in.html This livery had the blue stripe only as high as the windows. As AB EW II and B EW I didn't have the windows at the same height, it produced a strange picture. EW I 1900 mm above railhead EW II 1820 mm above railhead Picture attached is from SBB Reisezug- und Gepäckwagen 1985. Markus, Gürbetal
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Re: SBB-P Re 4/4 II potential withdrawals
11150 has been withdrawn and will depart Bellinzona for scrap in the near future
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Re: Does anybody know the story of this coach?
Guerbetaler
Am 27.02.2021 um 02:07 schrieb csipromo via groups.io:
http://www.polier.ch/images/archiv/Sutter/normal/SBB/30/SBB.35-6/SBB-35-252.jpgB 50 85 20-34 113-4, photo (01.03.1984) in EA 4/84. Text from EA 5/84: EA 4/84, Bild 3: Beim blau-weissen B' handelt es sich um einen noch nicht hauptrevidierten Wagen, der Bestandteil der SBB-Leistungsschau bildet und für Bauprojekte wirbt. Thus the coach was used for an SBB exhibition that went from station to station, before being refurbished. Markus, Gürbetal
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Re: Ee 3/3
16383 has been sold to Verein Historische Seethalbahn based in Hochdorf. It was moved from Zürich to Hochdorf today by De 6/6 15301
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Does anybody know the story of this coach?
csipromo
http://www.polier.ch/images/archiv/Sutter/normal/SBB/30/SBB.35-6/SBB-35-252.jpg
Looks like prototype NPZ colours, but by that time, most SBB coaches had already been rebuilt with rubber bulges and extended coach ends. Photo from the P. Sutter collection at polier.ch under Basel-Delemont-Biel. Regards Mike C
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Re: FW: another Swiss find
SBB withdrew the NPZ prototypes in 2008 and sold them to other operators:
560 000 ex 2100 Onesingen-Balsthal Bahn 207 out of service defective since October 2019 560 001 ex 2101 Montafonerbahn Austria ET10.122 560 002 ex 2102 CJ 560 141 out of service requiring a Revision since 2018 560 003 ex 2103 Montafonerbahn Austria ET10.121
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Re: FW: another Swiss find
csipromo
Unfortunately, many of the websites which existed during the initial heyday of the internet are no longer active.
Among the sites which still have a lot of older photos are: www.polier.ch (especially P Sutter's section) http://www.polier.ch/page/archiv/Sutter/Sutter.htm https://bahnbilder-von-max.ch This site also has a decent selection of photos from the 1980s: https://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/98009-a-few-of-dave-fs-european-railway-photos-updated-16th-january-2018/& There are some 50 pages. You have to go through them to see the photos. There is no directory. I have the flyer for the 1984 Liliput New Items, which had photos of the four prototypes. I will see if I can scan it. Regards Mike C
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Re: FW: another Swiss find
csipromo
The yellow and purple trains were RABDe 8/16 for the Zürich-Rapperswil Gold Coast line.
http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/ch/SBB_CFF_FFS/electric/emu/historic/RABDe8_16/SBB_RABDe816_2001.jpg AFAIK they were not prototypes for the NPZ, but rather a separate series. The NPZ were built a year or two later and unlike the earlier RBe 4/4, the motor unit was developed with only a cab at one end. Unlike the RABe 12/12 (Mirage), the New Pendelzug was designed as a RBDe 4/4 and ABt pilot coach. There were four prototypes of the NPZ units, each one was painted in a slightly different colour. The first one was light green and dark green with red doors https://www.modellbahn-rhein-main.de/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/BES639-Liliput-14450-Pendelzug-RBDe-44-NPZ-der-SBB-2-teilig-Modelleisenbahn-Modellbahn.jpg The second one was light green and dark green with a red front and red doors https://www.modellbahn-rhein-main.de/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/BES640-Liliput-14451-Pendelzug-RBDe-44-NPZ-der-SBB-2-teilig-Modelleisenbahn-Modellbahn.jpg The third one was off-white with a blue band with red front and red doors https://www.modellbahn-rhein-main.de/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/BES641-Liliput-14452-Pendelzug-RBDe-44-NPZ-der-SBB-2-teilig-Modelleisenbahn-Modellbahn.jpg The fourth one was off-white with a blue band with a white front and yellow doors https://img.ricardostatic.ch/t_1800x1350/pl/1108824960/0/3/ SBB users were invited to vote for their favorite design and the third design was chosen, albeit a decision was made to paint the doors yellow. https://www.modellbahn-rhein-main.de/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/BES642-Liliput-14454-Pendelzug-RBDe-44-NPZ-der-SBB-2-teilig-Modelleisenbahn-Modellbahn.jpg http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/ch/SBB_CFF_FFS/electric/emu/RBDe560/Colibri1/misc/101006-63.jpg Over time, the design mutated (2nd Series) and the blue band widened at the front and rear of the unit, which also became the standard livery for the RBe 540 and corresponding pilot coaches. This is what the second series looked like: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/RBDe_560#/media/Fichier:SBB_RBDe_560_109.jpg This was the first 2100: http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/ch/SBB_CFF_FFS/electric/emu/RBDe560/green/SBB_RBDe44_2100.jpg This was the second 2101: http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/ch/SBB_CFF_FFS/electric/emu/RBDe560/green/SBB_RBDe44_2101.jpg This was the third 2103: http://www.polier.ch/images/archiv/Sutter/normal/SBB/10/SBB.10-08/SBB-10-356.jpg This was the livery of the fourth (2104): http://www.polier.ch/images/archiv/Sutter/normal/SBB/10/SBB.10-08/SBB-10-376.jpg Regards Mike C
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FW: another Swiss find
Chuck Higdon
Hi, my friend Doug asked me for some help. I do not have a clue, but if any of you could help, a bug thanks.
“Now, I could use a little help.............on the RBDe4/4 Electric MU sets (Collibri Zug, New Pendel Zug etc)............
When the design came out in the mid-80s........there were 4 prototypes (sets 2101-2104) which were painted a yellow-gold and purple...........I was able to catch pictures of these coming and going when I "staked out" the platforms at Zurich. The "production" sets of the RBDe4/4 power and control trailer sets had not yet begun on my 1984 visit....the fleet came on a year or two later. There were "prototype" sets that had a couple of color schemes...........the white/blue stripe/yellow doors became the fleet colors...I heard about another scheme that was dark green stripe on a light lime green car body.......
.......were there any others?? and where can I find pictures of them????
Thanks Doug”
Thanks for whatever help you can provide. Chuck Higdon
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Re: SOB (ex BT) Re 4/4
On Thu, Jan 28, 2021 at 12:16 PM, Martin Baumann wrote:
SZU have issued a statement about their acquisitions: "The locos were primarily acquired to provide spare parts.. It is possible that they will be put into service 'elsewhere' but not in passenger service" [They are not compatible with SZU 42 to 47 or their coaches]
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Re: Remaining older SBB coaches
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Re: Remaining older SBB coaches
Javier Pena
Thank you very much, Martin.
Would you happen to know of a website where I could find the list of those vehicles still in service? Best regards, Javier Pena
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Remaining older SBB coaches
Subject to correction the following remain in stock:
67 B 21-73 in black and white livery 28 B 21-73 in green and white livery 12 B21-73 5xx football coaches (Not included in the above are 21-73 303 325 357 383 412 which arrived at Kaiseraugst yesterday but not yet reported withdrawn) 11 EWI A 18-33 17 EWI B 20-35 5 BDt EW II 82-33 5 BDt EWI 82-33 plus 82-34 905 2 Sr EWII Prisoner Transport Passenger use of EWI/EWII is expected to finish on April 2nd. It is probable one or more of the driving trailers will be retained for track inspection trains such as this one: https://www.flickr.com/photos/186143540@N02/50906137877/in/photolist-2kypgfn-2kyoCzh
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File /MotivePower/11601-11689E.xls uploaded
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Re: Car driver causes derailment
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Re: Car driver causes derailment
Mick Sasse
And of course it also happened in Octopussy, with apparent damage only to the car..... ;-) https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jhi6KmyRm8w
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