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Re: RhB Ge 6/6 II (701 Class)

Martin Baumann
 

On Fri, Feb 12, 2021 at 09:08 PM, Martin Baumann wrote:


TV news report from 12.02 on the scrapping of 701. It is largely in Rumantsch
German version here: https://www.srf.ch/play/tv/sendung/schweiz-aktuell?id=cb28dd84-f0c8-4024-8f20-1a29f5a4ceb7


Re: OT: Geltendorf - Lindau electrification

Toma Bacic
 

Thank you!
Btw - the travelling time today is 4:02, but DB and SBB plans to reduce the
travelling time to 3:30. Any info what the next steps in modernization will
be to cut additional 30 minutes?

Thank you and regards
toma


OT: Srbija Voz, Stadler KISS speculations

Toma Bacic
 

Serbian passenger company Srbija Voz announced on Feb 11 a tender for three 200 km/h double deck EMUs for the Beograd - Novi Sad services. Although the company signed a Mou with CRRC on Jan 6 for the procuring the new trains, the technical details requested in tender are identical as on Stadler KISS 4-car units. Number of (well informed) media in Serbia said that the new trainsets would be manufactured by Stadler...

The problem is that the requested delivery time is very short - the first should be delivered to Serbia no later than October 31 this year, and the remaining two by the end of the year.

Now, my question is - are all ex-Westbahn 200 km/h KISSes in DB, or some are still stored, and theoretically could be delivered to Serbia? And also, are there any possibility for Stadler to deliver the new trainsets in such a short period of time?

regards
toma

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Re: Remaining older SBB coaches

Javier Pena
 

Thanks a lot for the list, Martin.

Cheers,
Javier


Re: FW: another Swiss find

Guerbetaler
 

Am 26.02.2021 um 17:58 schrieb csipromo via groups.io:
The fourth one was off-white with a blue band with a white front and
yellow doors
https://igschieneschweiz.startbilder.de/bild/schweiz~strecken~250-lausanne-romont-fribourg-bern/693636/die-vier-npz-prototypen-erschienen-in.html

This livery had the blue stripe only as high as the windows. As AB EW II
and B EW I didn't have the windows at the same height, it produced a
strange picture.

EW I 1900 mm above railhead
EW II 1820 mm above railhead

Picture attached is from SBB Reisezug- und Gepäckwagen 1985.

Markus, Gürbetal


Re: SBB-P Re 4/4 II potential withdrawals

Martin Baumann
 

11150 has been withdrawn and will depart Bellinzona for scrap in the near future


Re: Does anybody know the story of this coach?

Guerbetaler
 

Am 27.02.2021 um 02:07 schrieb csipromo via groups.io:
http://www.polier.ch/images/archiv/Sutter/normal/SBB/30/SBB.35-6/SBB-35-252.jpg

Looks like prototype NPZ colours, but by that time, most SBB coaches
had already been rebuilt with rubber bulges and extended coach ends. Photo from the P. Sutter collection at polier.ch under
Basel-Delemont-Biel.
B 50 85 20-34 113-4, photo (01.03.1984) in EA 4/84.

Text from EA 5/84: EA 4/84, Bild 3: Beim blau-weissen B' handelt es sich
um einen noch nicht hauptrevidierten Wagen, der Bestandteil der SBB-Leistungsschau bildet und für Bauprojekte wirbt.

Thus the coach was used for an SBB exhibition that went from station to station, before being refurbished.

Markus, Gürbetal


Re: Ee 3/3

Martin Baumann
 

16383 has been sold to Verein Historische Seethalbahn based in Hochdorf. It was moved from Zürich to Hochdorf today by De 6/6 15301


Does anybody know the story of this coach?

csipromo
 

http://www.polier.ch/images/archiv/Sutter/normal/SBB/30/SBB.35-6/SBB-35-252.jpg

Looks like prototype NPZ colours, but by that time, most SBB coaches had already been rebuilt with rubber bulges and extended coach ends.
Photo from the P. Sutter collection at polier.ch under Basel-Delemont-Biel.

Regards

Mike C


Re: FW: another Swiss find

Martin Baumann
 

SBB withdrew the NPZ prototypes in 2008 and sold them to other operators:

560 000 ex 2100 Onesingen-Balsthal Bahn 207 out of service defective since October 2019
560 001 ex 2101 Montafonerbahn Austria ET10.122
560 002 ex 2102 CJ 560 141 out of service requiring a Revision since 2018
560 003 ex 2103 Montafonerbahn Austria ET10.121


Re: FW: another Swiss find

csipromo
 

Unfortunately, many of the websites which existed during the initial heyday of the internet are no longer active.
Among the sites which still have a lot of older photos are:

www.polier.ch (especially P Sutter's section) http://www.polier.ch/page/archiv/Sutter/Sutter.htm
https://bahnbilder-von-max.ch
This site also has a decent selection of photos from the 1980s:
https://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/98009-a-few-of-dave-fs-european-railway-photos-updated-16th-january-2018/&
There are some 50 pages. You have to go through them to see the photos. There is no directory.

I have the flyer for the 1984 Liliput New Items, which had photos of the four prototypes. I will see if I can scan it.

Regards

Mike C


Re: FW: another Swiss find

csipromo
 

The yellow and purple trains were RABDe 8/16 for the Zürich-Rapperswil Gold Coast line.
http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/ch/SBB_CFF_FFS/electric/emu/historic/RABDe8_16/SBB_RABDe816_2001.jpg
AFAIK they were not prototypes for the NPZ, but rather a separate series.
The NPZ were built a year or two later and unlike the earlier RBe 4/4, the motor unit was developed with only a cab at one end.
Unlike the RABe 12/12 (Mirage), the New Pendelzug was designed as a RBDe 4/4 and ABt pilot coach.

There were four prototypes of the NPZ units, each one was painted in a slightly different colour.
The first one was light green and dark green with red doors
https://www.modellbahn-rhein-main.de/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/BES639-Liliput-14450-Pendelzug-RBDe-44-NPZ-der-SBB-2-teilig-Modelleisenbahn-Modellbahn.jpg
The second one was light green and dark green with a red front and red doors
https://www.modellbahn-rhein-main.de/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/BES640-Liliput-14451-Pendelzug-RBDe-44-NPZ-der-SBB-2-teilig-Modelleisenbahn-Modellbahn.jpg
The third one was off-white with a blue band with red front and red doors
https://www.modellbahn-rhein-main.de/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/BES641-Liliput-14452-Pendelzug-RBDe-44-NPZ-der-SBB-2-teilig-Modelleisenbahn-Modellbahn.jpg
The fourth one was off-white with a blue band with a white front and yellow doors
https://img.ricardostatic.ch/t_1800x1350/pl/1108824960/0/3/

SBB users were invited to vote for their favorite design and the third design was chosen, albeit a decision was made to paint the doors yellow.
https://www.modellbahn-rhein-main.de/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/BES642-Liliput-14454-Pendelzug-RBDe-44-NPZ-der-SBB-2-teilig-Modelleisenbahn-Modellbahn.jpg
http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/ch/SBB_CFF_FFS/electric/emu/RBDe560/Colibri1/misc/101006-63.jpg

Over time, the design mutated (2nd Series) and the blue band widened at the front and rear of the unit, which also became the standard livery for the RBe 540 and corresponding pilot coaches.
This is what the second series looked like: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/RBDe_560#/media/Fichier:SBB_RBDe_560_109.jpg

This was the first 2100: http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/ch/SBB_CFF_FFS/electric/emu/RBDe560/green/SBB_RBDe44_2100.jpg
This was the second 2101: http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/ch/SBB_CFF_FFS/electric/emu/RBDe560/green/SBB_RBDe44_2101.jpg
This was the third 2103: http://www.polier.ch/images/archiv/Sutter/normal/SBB/10/SBB.10-08/SBB-10-356.jpg
This was the livery of the fourth (2104): http://www.polier.ch/images/archiv/Sutter/normal/SBB/10/SBB.10-08/SBB-10-376.jpg

Regards

Mike C


FW: another Swiss find

Chuck Higdon
 

Hi, my friend Doug asked me for some help.  I do not have a clue, but if any of you could help, a bug thanks.

 

Now, I could use a little help.............on the RBDe4/4 Electric MU sets (Collibri Zug, New Pendel Zug etc)............

 

When the design came out in the mid-80s........there were 4 prototypes (sets 2101-2104) which were painted a yellow-gold and purple...........I was able to catch pictures of these coming and going when I "staked out" the platforms at Zurich. 

The "production" sets of the RBDe4/4 power and control trailer sets had not yet begun on my 1984 visit....the fleet came on a year or two later.  There were "prototype" sets that had a couple of color schemes...........the white/blue stripe/yellow doors became the fleet colors...I heard about

another scheme that was dark green stripe on a light lime green car body.......

 

.......were there any others?? and where can I find pictures of them????

 

Thanks

Doug

 

Thanks for whatever help you can provide.

Chuck Higdon

 


Re: SOB (ex BT) Re 4/4

Martin Baumann
 

On Thu, Jan 28, 2021 at 12:16 PM, Martin Baumann wrote:


Now confirmed that SZU got 091 092, unknown if for parts or use
SZU have issued a statement about their acquisitions: "The locos were primarily acquired to provide spare parts.. It is possible that they will be put into service 'elsewhere' but not in passenger service" [They are not compatible with SZU 42 to 47 or their coaches]


Re: Remaining older SBB coaches

Martin Baumann
 

18-35 003 012 015 018 019 023 026 028 034 036 037

20-35 103 157 164 204 224 227 233 266 268 300 301 303 306 314 317 333 345

82-33 919 921 923 925 928 981 983 986 989 990

82-34 905

21-73 301 Black and White Livery
21-73 304 Black and White Livery
21-73 306 Black and White Livery
21-73 307 Black and White Livery
21-73 309 Black and White Livery
21-73 310 Black and White Livery
21-73 312 Black and White Livery
21-73 313 Black and White Livery
21-73 314 Black and White Livery
21-73 315 Black and White Livery
21-73 317 Black and White Livery
21-73 318 Black and White Livery
21-73 319 Black and White Livery
21-73 321 Black and White Livery
21-73 322
21-73 324 Black and White Livery
21-73 326 Black and White Livery
21-73 327 Black and White Livery
21-73 328 Black and White Livery
21-73 329 Black and White Livery
21-73 330 Black and White Livery
21-73 331 Black and White Livery
21-73 332 Black and White Livery
21-73 333 Black and White Livery
21-73 334 Black and White Livery
21-73 335 Black and White Livery
21-73 336 Black and White Livery
21-73 337 Black and White Livery
21-73 339 Black and White Livery
21-73 340 Black and White Livery
21-73 341 Black and White Livery
21-73 342
21-73 343 Black and White Livery
21-73 344 Black and White Livery
21-73 346 Black and White Livery
21-73 347
21-73 348
21-73 349 Black and White Livery
21-73 350 Black and White Livery
21-73 351 Black and White Livery
21-73 352
21-73 353 Black and White Livery
21-73 354 Black and White Livery
21-73 355 Black and White Livery
21-73 356 Black and White Livery
21-73 358 Black and White Livery
21-73 360
21-73 361 Black and White Livery
21-73 365
21-73 367 Black and White Livery
21-73 368 Black and White Livery
21-73 369 Black and White Livery
21-73 370 Black and White Livery
21-73 371 Black and White Livery
21-73 372 Black and White Livery
21-73 373
21-73 374 Black and White Livery
21-73 375 Black and White Livery
21-73 376 Black and White Livery
21-73 377 Black and White Livery
21-73 378 Black and White Livery
21-73 379 Black and White Livery
21-73 380 Black and White Livery
21-73 381 Black and White Livery
21-73 382 Black and White Livery
21-73 384 Black and White Livery
21-73 385 Black and White Livery
21-73 386 Black and White Livery
21-73 387 Black and White Livery
21-73 388 Black and White Livery
21-73 389 Black and White Livery
21-73 390 Black and White Livery
21-73 391 Black and White Livery
21-73 392 Black and White Livery
21-73 393
21-73 395
21-73 397
21-73 405
21-73 407
21-73 408
21-73 413
21-73 414
21-73 415
21-73 418
21-73 420
21-73 421
21-73 422
21-73 424
21-73 425
21-73 426 Black and White Livery
21-73 428
21-73 430
21-73 431
21-73 433
21-73 436
21-73 503
21-73 507
21-73 509
21-73 517
21-73 518
21-73 521
21-73 523
21-73 524
21-73 526
21-73 528
21-73 530
21-73 531


Re: Remaining older SBB coaches

Javier Pena
 

Thank you very much, Martin.

Would you happen to know of a website where I could find the list of those
vehicles still in service?

Best regards,
Javier Pena


Remaining older SBB coaches

Martin Baumann
 

Subject to correction the following remain in stock:

67 B 21-73 in black and white livery

28 B 21-73 in green and white livery

12 B21-73 5xx football coaches

(Not included in the above are 21-73 303 325 357 383 412 which arrived at Kaiseraugst yesterday but not yet reported withdrawn)

11 EWI A 18-33

17 EWI B 20-35

5 BDt EW II 82-33

5 BDt EWI 82-33 plus 82-34 905

2 Sr EWII Prisoner Transport

Passenger use of EWI/EWII is expected to finish on April 2nd. It is probable one or more of the driving trailers will be retained for track inspection trains such as this one: https://www.flickr.com/photos/186143540@N02/50906137877/in/photolist-2kypgfn-2kyoCzh


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Re: Car driver causes derailment

Martin Baumann
 

The worst one was Great Heck in England:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selby_rail_crash


Re: Car driver causes derailment

Mick Sasse
 

And of course it also happened in Octopussy, with apparent damage only to the car.....

;-)

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jhi6KmyRm8w 

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