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Re: Re 6/6 11672 SBB

tms460
 

On Friday, 19 March 2021, 18:35:02 CET, csipromo via groups.io <csipromo=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
As far as I can tell, 11672 finally received halogen headlights at some point since 2005.
I have found photos from 2006 with the rectangular headlights
Hello Mike,
Thank you very much for your answer.
In fact was interested when the original headlights were converted to the new rectangular for Re 6/6 11672.
The Roco 71409/71410  Re 10/10 , marked as Ep IV , consists of Re 6/6 11672 which would like to use for my own SBB traffic after year 2000.
Now it looks that is possible :-)
Best regardsTomasz


Re: SBB Cargo "iL" logo

Ewan Tait
 

For Mike’s benefit, SBBCI is SBB Cargo Italia.

Cheers,
Ewan


Re: SBB Cargo "iL" logo

Guerbetaler
 

Am 19.03.2021 um 18:04 schrieb csipromo via groups.io:
I am pretty sure that all Re 420/421/430 and Re 620 are owned and operated by SBBC and that 193 and 189 are owned/leased by SBBCI.
No, 193 and 189 are leased to SBBIN, not SBBCI. SBBCI deosn't operate locomotives. I'm not clear if they are still active.

SBBIN doesn't own one piece of rolling stock. Write that down and pin it to the wall. It's basic.

;-) Kind regards
Markus


Re: Re 6/6 11672 SBB

csipromo
 

Hello Tomasz,

Is your question related to when the original headlights on the Re 6/6 (620) (and Re 4/4II) were converted to the new rectangular halogen headlights or when this specifically occurred for that particular locomotive?

The SBB ordered new material (Re 4/4IV (440) and RBDe 4/4 (560)) starting in 1982. These new units were delivered with halogen headlights instead of the original classic headlamps. It was decided that the final production of Re 4/4II (11372-11397) would also receive this new type of headlights. I believe that Re 4/4 11178 was used as a demonstration for the new livery and new headlight design.
It was then decided that all locomotives were to be retrofitted at their next scheduled major revision (R3).

This was the information that I could find for 11672:
http://www.re620.ch/index.php?Page=datennr&nr=72

As far as I can tell, 11672 finally received halogen headlights at some point since 2005. I have found photos from 2006 with the rectangular headlights, so I would assume that this would tend to support the 2005 revision as when this change was finally done. The locomotive has since also had air conditioning installed.

Regards

Mike C


Re: SBB Cargo "iL" logo

csipromo
 

Getting back to Markus' reply to my post above.
I was not aware that Re 482 035-049 were built in Vado Ligure, Bombardier's facility which used to be ABB/Tecnomasio.

My understanding was that the second series of Re 482 was still built in Kassel. Perhaps some construction elements were built at Bombardier facilities in Italy and Poland. I know that the rollout of Re 482 035 was in Kassel, having seen photos and videos of that event. It must, however, be noted that Re 482 035 was in fact, the repaint of a locomotive used to showcase the 185.2 production and initially bore DB Cargo colours.

At one point, a number of locomotives from the 035-049 series were loaned/leased to RailPool or MRCE in exchange for other locomotives (BR 186, 189) and the SBB locos were then leased or rented to other operators by those fleet companies. For example, SBBC had leased Railpool 186 for use in Holland (NL) for a short period. I believe that SBBC also leased some excess Re 484 class from MRCE, which might also have been under such a deal. At some point, these leases shifted back from MRCE/Railpool to being leases from SBBC. I would love to have more precise info about these scenarios.

I still have not wrapped my head around all of the differences between SBBCI and SBBC. If, as Markus explained, the locos belong to SBBC and SBBCI is now responsible for much if not all Cargo operations outside Switzerland, that it makes sense that SBBC might not have a need for these locomotives (domestically) and SBBCI might prefer to buy/lease locomotives capable of operating on more systems than just the DACH (Germany/Austria/Switzerland) AC networks.

To clear up my questions, who owns and operates the following tractive material?

Re 474
Re 482 000-034
Re 482 035-049
Re 484

I am pretty sure that all Re 420/421/430 and Re 620 are owned and operated by SBBC and that 193 and 189 are owned/leased by SBBCI.
The newly introduced 186 (Akiem ex-Crossrail, ex-CB Rail) are operated by SBBC or SBBCI but leased to BLSC?

Totally confusing

Regards

Mike C


Re: SBB Cargo "iL" logo

John Lovda
 

Sorry I missed that. My brain was focused on the SBB Cargo colors and the small "SBB CFF FFS Cargo" logo on the side.

Thanks to all for your replies.


Re 6/6 11672 SBB

tms460
 

Hello,

Do you know when round lamps were rebuilt into square ones ? 

Best regards
Tomasz Sztencel
Gdansk PL


Re: SBB Cargo "iL" logo

Toma Bacic
 

iL = InfraLeuna

regards
toma


Re: SBB Cargo "iL" logo

davey
 

What does "iL" stand for?
Infraleuna

I read it on the side of the loco


Re: SBB Cargo "iL" logo

Guerbetaler
 

Am 18.03.2021 um 15:19 schrieb csipromo via groups.io:
SBB seems committed to keeping 482 000-34, but are seeking to divest 482 035-49. More info on the policy would be helpful
I find it strange that SBB leased MRCE 185 identical to these Re 482 while trying to dispose of their own locos.
From what I know 482 035-049 were built in Italy (Vado Ligure) and differ in too many things from the (German) Traxx standard design. At some point it seemed impossible to fit these locomotives with ETCS baseline 3 and this was the point where SBBC decided to get rid of these locomotives. Even more as they belong to SBBC and interoperability is rather the interest of SBBIN. All the Vectrons are leased by SBBIN, not SBBC. SBBIN doesn't own of a single vehicle...

Moreover SBBIN needs locomotives that can also be operated under 3 kV dc. Thus it's logical to sell locomotives for ac-only use.

However, I learned that some of the locomotives sold will be upgraded to ETCS baseline 3. The original reason, why they should be sold, seems to have gone.

Markus, Gürbetal



Re: SBB Cargo "iL" logo

csipromo
 

According to railcolor.net and other sources, Re 482 037 has been wearing the InfraLeuna colours since 2012/13.

I was not aware that the loco still had SBB markings in addition. I must have missed that detail.

SBB has been actively seeking to sell it's fleet of D/CH locomotives and replace them with DACHINL or other multi system models.
This is why thee ES64F4 and Vectrons have largely taken over operations for SBBCI in Germany and elsewhere in Europe.

SBB seems committed to keeping 482 000-34, but are seeking to divest 482 035-49. More info on the policy would be helpful
I find it strange that SBB leased MRCE 185 identical to these Re 482 while trying to dispose of their own locos.

Regards

Mike C


Re: SBB Cargo "iL" logo

csipromo
 

On Thu, Mar 18, 2021 at 02:58 PM, John Lovda wrote:


https://www.flickr.com/photos/112648581@N02/50996884120/
this locomotive (482 037) was initially leased and may have since been purchased by the German operator InfraLeuna (IL)

http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/de/private/open_access/ILIS/pix.html
https://www.railcolor.net/index.php?nav=1406157&id=27565&action=portrait

Regards

Mike C


SBB Cargo "iL" logo

John Lovda
 

Hello:
Because of COVID I haven't been back to Switzerland in almost two years. I ran across this photo....

https://www.flickr.com/photos/112648581@N02/50996884120/

What does "iL" stand for?

Thanks,
John


Re: RhB Ge 6/6 II (701 Class)

David Prior
 

704 diagrammed on test again tomorrow, Th.18 Mar.

Approx 07:20 Landquart-Schiers 9017
Approx 07:50 Schiers-Landquart 9014

610+605 on the evening Klosters-Samedan, the fifth time multiple Ge6/6i on this service in 2021.


Re: End of Ee 6/6 II

Martin Baumann
 

On Wed, Aug 12, 2020 at 03:33 PM, Martin Baumann wrote:


It is reported by Bahnforum.ch that the remaining Ee 6/6 II are now
permanently out of service. The remaining five locos were all used at Lausanne
Triage: 16814 16815 16816 16817 16820
16815 had apparently been out of use for some time.
The five locos noted above all went for scrap today. 16815 to Thevenaz-Leduc and the others to Kaiseraugst


Re: MGB : info on loco-hauled #mgb

Guerbetaler
 

Am 14.03.2021 um 13:48 schrieb David Prior via groups.io:
Are those formal diagrams online somewhere ?
No, MGB doesn't wish that they are published.


Re: MGB : info on loco-hauled #mgb

David Prior
 

Thank you for the fast (and as ever, thorough) reply Markus.

Are those formal diagrams online somewhere ? Maybe I missed them on the MGB website...


Re: MGB : info on loco-hauled #mgb

Guerbetaler
 

Am 14.03.2021 um 12:17 schrieb David Prior via groups.io:
Does anyone have information on which MGB services are loco-hauled please ? I see the GEx are currently suspended because of covid; not sure what the timetabled train formations are though.
MGB has diagrams and it happens that they help to better understand what you see. But don't expect to see what's in the diagrams... The current diagrams are valid until 07.05.2021

Current situation is that two locomotives are in Bellinzona, one HGe" and about three Deh are awaiting new tyres.

Most trains on the Oberalp are hauled (not push-pull). It seems that HGe" are working there, but replacement by Deh is possible.

Visp - Zermatt hat one locomotive for freight and one as push-pull consist. This consist was seen doing 207-222-221-234-233-246-245-258-257-270 Mo-Fr and standing in Glisergrund Sa/Su.  This consist may be replaced by another consist or an another consist may be replaced by this consist, depending on availability.

Trains 550 and 569 are used to exchange the locomotives between Brig and Andermatt.

Markus, Gürbetal


MGB : info on loco-hauled #mgb

David Prior
 

Does anyone have information on which MGB services are loco-hauled please ? I see the GEx are currently suspended because of covid; not sure what the timetabled train formations are though.

Ahead of a planned visit in a few weeks’ time any diagrams or general tips much appreciated.

David


Re: RhB Ge 6/6 II (701 Class)

David Prior
 

On 12 Mar 2021, at 17:37, Martin Baumann wrote:

704 was on test today after repairs
... and Saturday it is diagrammed back on repair.

Hopefully just rectification of faults noted on its test run.

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