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Re: Re 6/6 11672 SBB

csipromo
 

I checked through my photo collection and definitely found photos from 2003 showing the loco with the rectangular halogen headlights, so 2005 is not possible.
As I stated above, I had also found a photo from 1994 on re620.ch where the loco already had the halogen headlights and a photo from 1991 with the original headlights.
That leads me to believe that the R1 in 93 was when the lights were changed. I am still trying to figure out when it was outfitted with the UIC socket and new handrail, probably either at the R2 in 96 or R3 in 2000.

Regards

Mike C


Re: Re 6/6 11672 SBB

gordonwis
 

On Friday, 19 March 2021, 17:35:01 GMT, csipromo via groups.io <csipromo=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
As far as I can tell, 11672 finally received halogen headlights at some point since 2005. I have found photos from 2006 with the rectangular headlights,
The R1 on 2/5/05 seems to be the likely date for the halogen lamps


Re: Re 6/6 11672 SBB

gordonwis
 

Red livery: 6/11/87 (following crash repairs)

ETCS: 2006

Aircon: 2007

Rev dates:

Ue Oer 05.12.78
R2 Be 06.11.87
R1 Be 01.12.89
R1 Be 25.02.93
R2 Be 25.03.96
R3 Be 11.05.00
R1 Be 02.06.05
R1 Be 11.02.10
R2 Be 24.06.14
R3 Be 13.05.20


Re: Re 6/6 11672 SBB

csipromo
 

Update:

I am going through my image sources to try to determine when features were modified on 11672.
The modifications include the following:

1) Original Headlights replaced by Halogen (Rectangular)
2) UIC Socket and Handrail (was this done prior to or simultaneously with 1)
3) Air Conditioning installed (Modified Shell)
4) Received Cargo livery and renamed 620 072 on 12/13 May 2020

Regards

Mike C


Re: SBB Cargo "iL" logo

csipromo
 

Just so that everything gets clear:
SBBCI = SBB Cargo Italia (Gallarate)
SBBCD = SBB Cargo Deutschland (Duisburg)
SBBNL = SBB Cargo Nederland BV (Rotterdam)
SBBC = SBB Cargo Switzerland (Olten)

SBBIN = SBB International (Is this the same as SBB Cargo International?)
(There is no Google presence for SBB International)
This is what I have on occasion referred to as SBBCI.
From what I understood, this was a Joint Venture between SBB Cargo and Hupac around 2011.

It's very confusing. SBB IN is 75% SBB and 25% Hupac, but Hupac is almost 24% SBB, so how much of Hupac's share of SBB IN actually belongs to SBB?

Is SBB Cargo AG the same as SBB Cargo Switzerland? I know that Planzer, Galliker, Camions Transport and Bertschi (dba Swiss Combi AG) have acquired shares (35%) in the company. Was the name change just to reflect the new ownership?

SBBCI (Italia), SBBCD (German) and SBBCNL are all divisions (subsidiaries) of SBB Cargo International.
Previously Re 474, Re 484 and Am840 were registered to SBBCI and Am842 and others (ex-DB, ex-DR) were registered to SBBCD.
Who are those all registered to today?

Does SBBIN lease locomotives from SBBC (Re 482, Re 430, Re 620, etc)? or is SBBC contracted to haul certain trains in Switzerland for SBB IN (Basel-Chiasso/Basel-Domo, etc)?

If a company in Germany wants their goods shipped through Switzerland, who would they deal with? SBBCD, SBB IN or SBB Cargo?
I guess that this could be it's own thread.

Regards

Mike C


Re: Re 6/6 11672 SBB

csipromo
 

Markus,

can you please correct the links from re620.ch?

Thanks

MC


Re: Re 6/6 11672 SBB

csipromo
 

11672 has been repainted in the new Cargo livery since 2020.
https://www.bahnbilder.de/bild/schweiz~e-loks~re-66-sbb-re-620/1222195/sbb-cargo-re-66-11672-balerna.html

Regards

Mike C


Re: Re 6/6 11672 SBB

csipromo
 

For the Loco Re 10/10 announced this year, the set contains the Re 4/4III 11361 and Re 6/6 11672. I have been able to confirm that the Re 6/6 received the new halogen headlights around 2005. The set seems to show 11361 as having the original headlights as well. I will have to try to see if I can find the information for that locomotive as well.

I found one photo on railfaneurope.net from 1999, showing 11361 already equipped with halogen headlights
http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/ch/SBB_CFF_FFS/electric/Re4_4_III/SBB_11361.jpg

This would seem to limit the Re 10/10 consist to the period prior to 1999.

I found a photo of the Re 6/6 11672 with round headlights. The photo is dated 1991
[url]http://www.re620.ch/index.php?Page=bil&gal_nr=92&bil_nr=2[/url]

The same website has a photo of 11672 with square headlights, dated 1994
[url]http://www.re620.ch/index.php?Page=bil&gal_nr=92&bil_nr=1[/url]

The locomotive had a R1 revision in Bellinzona (Be) on 25.02.93. This might suggest that the headlights were replaced at that moment.
This contradicts the information that I had found earlier.

Regards

Mike C


Re: Re 6/6 11672 SBB

tms460
 

On Friday, 19 March 2021, 18:35:02 CET, csipromo via groups.io <csipromo=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
As far as I can tell, 11672 finally received halogen headlights at some point since 2005.
I have found photos from 2006 with the rectangular headlights
Hello Mike,
Thank you very much for your answer.
In fact was interested when the original headlights were converted to the new rectangular for Re 6/6 11672.
The Roco 71409/71410  Re 10/10 , marked as Ep IV , consists of Re 6/6 11672 which would like to use for my own SBB traffic after year 2000.
Now it looks that is possible :-)
Best regardsTomasz


Re: SBB Cargo "iL" logo

Ewan Tait
 

For Mike’s benefit, SBBCI is SBB Cargo Italia.

Cheers,
Ewan


Re: SBB Cargo "iL" logo

Guerbetaler
 

Am 19.03.2021 um 18:04 schrieb csipromo via groups.io:
I am pretty sure that all Re 420/421/430 and Re 620 are owned and operated by SBBC and that 193 and 189 are owned/leased by SBBCI.
No, 193 and 189 are leased to SBBIN, not SBBCI. SBBCI deosn't operate locomotives. I'm not clear if they are still active.

SBBIN doesn't own one piece of rolling stock. Write that down and pin it to the wall. It's basic.

;-) Kind regards
Markus


Re: Re 6/6 11672 SBB

csipromo
 

Hello Tomasz,

Is your question related to when the original headlights on the Re 6/6 (620) (and Re 4/4II) were converted to the new rectangular halogen headlights or when this specifically occurred for that particular locomotive?

The SBB ordered new material (Re 4/4IV (440) and RBDe 4/4 (560)) starting in 1982. These new units were delivered with halogen headlights instead of the original classic headlamps. It was decided that the final production of Re 4/4II (11372-11397) would also receive this new type of headlights. I believe that Re 4/4 11178 was used as a demonstration for the new livery and new headlight design.
It was then decided that all locomotives were to be retrofitted at their next scheduled major revision (R3).

This was the information that I could find for 11672:
http://www.re620.ch/index.php?Page=datennr&nr=72

As far as I can tell, 11672 finally received halogen headlights at some point since 2005. I have found photos from 2006 with the rectangular headlights, so I would assume that this would tend to support the 2005 revision as when this change was finally done. The locomotive has since also had air conditioning installed.

Regards

Mike C


Re: SBB Cargo "iL" logo

csipromo
 

Getting back to Markus' reply to my post above.
I was not aware that Re 482 035-049 were built in Vado Ligure, Bombardier's facility which used to be ABB/Tecnomasio.

My understanding was that the second series of Re 482 was still built in Kassel. Perhaps some construction elements were built at Bombardier facilities in Italy and Poland. I know that the rollout of Re 482 035 was in Kassel, having seen photos and videos of that event. It must, however, be noted that Re 482 035 was in fact, the repaint of a locomotive used to showcase the 185.2 production and initially bore DB Cargo colours.

At one point, a number of locomotives from the 035-049 series were loaned/leased to RailPool or MRCE in exchange for other locomotives (BR 186, 189) and the SBB locos were then leased or rented to other operators by those fleet companies. For example, SBBC had leased Railpool 186 for use in Holland (NL) for a short period. I believe that SBBC also leased some excess Re 484 class from MRCE, which might also have been under such a deal. At some point, these leases shifted back from MRCE/Railpool to being leases from SBBC. I would love to have more precise info about these scenarios.

I still have not wrapped my head around all of the differences between SBBCI and SBBC. If, as Markus explained, the locos belong to SBBC and SBBCI is now responsible for much if not all Cargo operations outside Switzerland, that it makes sense that SBBC might not have a need for these locomotives (domestically) and SBBCI might prefer to buy/lease locomotives capable of operating on more systems than just the DACH (Germany/Austria/Switzerland) AC networks.

To clear up my questions, who owns and operates the following tractive material?

Re 474
Re 482 000-034
Re 482 035-049
Re 484

I am pretty sure that all Re 420/421/430 and Re 620 are owned and operated by SBBC and that 193 and 189 are owned/leased by SBBCI.
The newly introduced 186 (Akiem ex-Crossrail, ex-CB Rail) are operated by SBBC or SBBCI but leased to BLSC?

Totally confusing

Regards

Mike C


Re: SBB Cargo "iL" logo

John Lovda
 

Sorry I missed that. My brain was focused on the SBB Cargo colors and the small "SBB CFF FFS Cargo" logo on the side.

Thanks to all for your replies.


Re 6/6 11672 SBB

tms460
 

Hello,

Do you know when round lamps were rebuilt into square ones ? 

Best regards
Tomasz Sztencel
Gdansk PL


Re: SBB Cargo "iL" logo

Toma Bacic
 

iL = InfraLeuna

regards
toma


Re: SBB Cargo "iL" logo

davey
 

What does "iL" stand for?
Infraleuna

I read it on the side of the loco


Re: SBB Cargo "iL" logo

Guerbetaler
 

Am 18.03.2021 um 15:19 schrieb csipromo via groups.io:
SBB seems committed to keeping 482 000-34, but are seeking to divest 482 035-49. More info on the policy would be helpful
I find it strange that SBB leased MRCE 185 identical to these Re 482 while trying to dispose of their own locos.
From what I know 482 035-049 were built in Italy (Vado Ligure) and differ in too many things from the (German) Traxx standard design. At some point it seemed impossible to fit these locomotives with ETCS baseline 3 and this was the point where SBBC decided to get rid of these locomotives. Even more as they belong to SBBC and interoperability is rather the interest of SBBIN. All the Vectrons are leased by SBBIN, not SBBC. SBBIN doesn't own of a single vehicle...

Moreover SBBIN needs locomotives that can also be operated under 3 kV dc. Thus it's logical to sell locomotives for ac-only use.

However, I learned that some of the locomotives sold will be upgraded to ETCS baseline 3. The original reason, why they should be sold, seems to have gone.

Markus, Gürbetal



Re: SBB Cargo "iL" logo

csipromo
 

According to railcolor.net and other sources, Re 482 037 has been wearing the InfraLeuna colours since 2012/13.

I was not aware that the loco still had SBB markings in addition. I must have missed that detail.

SBB has been actively seeking to sell it's fleet of D/CH locomotives and replace them with DACHINL or other multi system models.
This is why thee ES64F4 and Vectrons have largely taken over operations for SBBCI in Germany and elsewhere in Europe.

SBB seems committed to keeping 482 000-34, but are seeking to divest 482 035-49. More info on the policy would be helpful
I find it strange that SBB leased MRCE 185 identical to these Re 482 while trying to dispose of their own locos.

Regards

Mike C


Re: SBB Cargo "iL" logo

csipromo
 

On Thu, Mar 18, 2021 at 02:58 PM, John Lovda wrote:


https://www.flickr.com/photos/112648581@N02/50996884120/
this locomotive (482 037) was initially leased and may have since been purchased by the German operator InfraLeuna (IL)

http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/de/private/open_access/ILIS/pix.html
https://www.railcolor.net/index.php?nav=1406157&id=27565&action=portrait

Regards

Mike C

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